Rove's Innocent - MSM's Guilty

[K.Rove]

Joe Wilson, unraveled:
Did he say anything that was true?




THE MORE that is revealed about the leaking of CIA employee Valerie Plame's name, the more her husband, former ambassador Joe Wilson, is discredited.

For the past two years Wilson has suggested that the White House exposed his wife as a CIA agent in retribution for his having "debunked" President Bush's statement, made in his 2003 State of the Union address, that Iraq tried to buy uranium from Niger. Left-wing activists have trumpeted this charge until it has echoed from every mountain and hilltop in the land. Last week's revelations in the case show the charge to be entirely unfounded.

Time magazine reporter Matt Cooper's now famous e-mail exchange with Karl Rove, President Bush's top political strategist, shows that Cooper initiated the contact with Rove, not the other way around, and that Rove did not reveal Plame's name. The New York Times reported on Friday that, contrary to Wilson's spin, Rove did not contact columnist Bob Novak to divulge Plame's name. Novak called Rove, and it was Novak who told Rove that Plame recommended her husband for the Niger trip. Rove simply responded that he'd heard the same thing.

This is important because Wilson claimed to have been sent to Niger by Vice President Dick Cheney, and that his wife had nothing to do with his selection. Both claims were later proven untrue.

The icing on the cake was Wilson's own admission, made Thursday, that "My wife was not a clandestine officer the day that Bob Novak blew her identity."

So not only was Karl Rove not calling reporters to disclose the identity of Plame, whose name he did not then know, she was not even a covert agent at the time, as has been incessantly claimed.

That the sources for these revelations were Time magazine, The New York Times and Joe Wilson himself will, of course, have no effect on the wingnuts who peddle Karl Rove conspiracy theories. But then, those who believe in a Vast Right Wing Conspiracy were never heavily influenced by the facts anyway.

http://www.theunionleader.com/articl...?article=57825


If you are worried about protecting your covert wife, then why do you have her send you to Niger, then when you get back you write an editorial for the NYTimes. At that point you've blown your wife's cover, because the fact that she sent you is a matter of record. So when you lie and claim VP Cheney sent you, that makes people have to tell the truth. In being truthful, your wife's cover is blown, and to show how much you were worried about that you pose for the cover of Vanity Fair with her?

Now Matt Cooper has remembered a 2nd Bush Admin source for the plame leak? Kinda like the NYTimes protected Rove as a source for over two years

[Mr.Vicchio]

The real question, is who is Judith Miller and the NY Times hiding?

[K.Rove]

Wilson

[PatrickHenry]

Bush still lied about uranium. His whole administration are professional liars. I'd rather believe Wilson than any Bushbot, because liars like Bush never change...

[Mr.Vicchio]

Bush lied about uranium?

Sure he did. I mean, those 13 words in the State of the Union, the Brits to this DAY still stand by thier claims.

But you are willing to believe a man that claimed, and was proven to have lied about:

Who sent him.
What he found.
Who read his reports.


Wilson trustworthy? About as honest as Clinton about sex in the WH.

I have some real issues with Mr. Bush, this is one I don't.

[PatrickHenry]

You phoney conservatives and your fawning on statist power. I hope they take your house to build a marina.

[K.Rove]

PH - The LIBERAL SC Justices Voted YAY on the Kelo "Land Grab" Ruling. Scalia and Thomas Voted NAY.

Check your facts...Billarybot

[Matt W]

PH - no need for the off-topic discourse.

[Whodoe!]

Quote by: K.Rove Joe Wilson, unraveled: If you are worried about protecting your covert wife, then why do you have her send you to Niger, then when you get back you write an editorial for the NYTimes. At that point you've blown your wife's cover, because the fact that she sent you is a matter of record. So when you lie and claim VP Cheney sent you, that makes people have to tell the truth. In being truthful, your wife's cover is blown, and to show how much you were worried about that you pose for the cover of Vanity Fair with her?

Hmm - what about the book deal theory? I think it was all a media set-up to sell his book. What say you to that?

[K.Rove]

No one bought Wilson's book...

The theory was to trap Rove, by making Him play His role.

Karl Rove didn't say Valerie Plame's name. Karl didn't say that Wilson's wife was a Covert CIA agent. Karl Rove had to prevent Time magazine from running with Wilson's story, because Wilson wasn't dealing in facts. Wilson wrote a guest editorial for the NYTimes, and in it He said that He'd been sent to Niger by Dick Cheney. Karl Rove needed to let Cooper know that Wilson wasn't telling the truth about being sent by Cheney, and there is no way to get around the fact that Wilson was sent by His wife...who just happens to work at the CIA and chose who'd go to Niger.

Note the timing, of this witch hunt, they're trying to hurt Bush...they want to lower His ability to pick a Conservative SC Justice.

[RickSp]

Well, surprise, surprise. The Bush administration cares more about political power than national security. Outing a CIA agent is no big deal after lying a nation into war. Where once Bush promised to fire anyone who leaked, he now promises to fire anyone convicted of a crime. (Wonder what the standard will be if any of his lackies is convicted. I'm sure it will change again.)

And the conservatives now discover that their highest calling is defending scoundrels and thugs. They must be so proud. At least the American people aren't so stupid. Only 41% rate Bush as "honest and straightforward".

[gr8fuldaniel]

Quote by: K.Rove THE MORE that is revealed about the leaking of CIA employee Valerie Plame's name, the more her husband, former ambassador Joe Wilson, is discredited.

You picked a good name for yourself with blather and lies like this you sound just like bush's brain.

karl rove is going down.
bush is going down with him. In harboring a fugitive, bush lied to the nation. bush has been acting like he doesnt know who outed Plame for years now. He has no integrity. We dont expect much from the neo-con death cult, but everybody knows crime doesnt pay, their days are numbered. Nothing done in secret will remain in the dark. The clock is ticking...tick......tock.

The end is near, at long last, the end is near.

[snow cone]

Mr. Vicchio,

Who do you say Wilson claimed to have sent him? He didn't lie. Rather the right wing noise machine has claimed that Wilson wrote and said that Cheney sent him. But Wilson didn't write or say that. Likewise the noise machine claims that his wife sent him. She didn't.

You should check out what those many people who saw Wilson stand up to Saddam when Wilson saved so many American lives say about him. Bush 41 says Wilson is a hero. Your noise machine of making up stuff that you claim someone says and then proving is false is going to fool those like yourself who are willing to be fooled again and again and again.

It is sad that you adore a regime that never has been sufficiently interested in defending this country or its constitution. Warned that terrorism was a threat, this regime did nothing, just as Pual Bremer predicted in Feb. of 01. Warned that a number of terrible problems would arise from occupying Iraq, this regime said that those things wouldn't happen and did the opposite of what was necessary for success. This regime told an agent of Iran that we had broken the Iranian code. Do you care? It doesn't seem that you do. It is more important to support falsehoods about Americans who have served to save lives unselfishly it trying times.

This whole thing is about how the regime lied to get us into a war some would profit from at the cost of our nation's credibility, treasure, and life. To divert us from that, you have to lie about decent people who have bravely risked their lives for you.

[K.Rove]

You Liberals make me Laugh...

Trust Joe Wilson?

The same Joe Wilson that said,

"Neo-conservatives and religious conservatives have hijacked this administration, and I consider myself on a personal mission to destroy both."

http://www.washtimes.com/op-ed/20030...4116-8479r.htm

WARNING - You're not in my league, back down before your feelings really get hurt!

[K.Rove]

Quote by: gr8fuldaniel You picked a good name for yourself with blather and lies like this you sound just like bush's brain. karl rove is going down. bush is going down with him. In harboring a fugitive, bush lied to the nation. bush has been acting like he doesnt know who outed Plame for years now. He has no integrity. We dont expect much from the neo-con death cult, but everybody knows crime doesnt pay, their days are numbered. Nothing done in secret will remain in the dark. The clock is ticking...tick......tock. The end is near, at long last, the end is near.

OMG - You sound like someone about to kill themself, Suicide Is not the way.

Keep pretending that the NYTimes was protecting Rove for 2 years...how can you Liberals even take yourselves seriously?

[Matt W]

Can we leave the posturing and insults out of this? :rolleyes:

[K.Rove]

"Neo-conservatives and religious conservatives have hijacked this administration, and I consider myself on a personal mission to destroy both."

http://www.washtimes.com/op-ed/2003...84116-8479r.htm

To Wilson...Destroying Republicans is Personal!

[lsbskins1]

Boy, it sure is interesting to read all these "facts" you pick up from radio and TV. Where to start?

"Wilson says Cheney sent him to Niger." No, not quite. He says that a request came from Cheney's office to check into the Niger Yellowcake story and that was why he went there. This is true. He never claimed Cheney "requested he personally go" or any such thing. This is spin. This is taking a portion of what was said, editing to suit your purposes and letting those who don't really care to look further take up the ball and run with the half truth distortion so that someone who challenges you spends more time talking about who sent him to Niger than what he was told in Niger.

"Wilson's wife sent him to Niger" Again, half, or maybe 1/8 true but spun for political purposes. Wilson's wife knew someone wanted to find out more about yellowcake and Niger. She recommended her husband because of his contacts in Africa and others, higher up in CIA AND State accepted his suitability and approved the trip. The impression you are left with if you listen to Rush and Hannity is that Joe and Val were sitting in the kitchen plotting ways to make Bush look bad and came up with this trip together and just set it all up on their own without anyone else being involved. Bullshit!

Rove is innocent because he did not say "Valerie Plame". If George Smith is married to Rosey Smith and Rosey works as an undercover narcotics agent and you tell Snidley Tellall, the neighborhood snitch, that George's wife is an undercover narcotics officer, but never say her name, you still told. Anyone with a brain knows that. And if you tell the police that you "never told anyone her name", you may be telling the technical "truth", but you are still lying and obstructing justice because you understood the nature of the question being asked and knew the impression you were leaving with your answer was misleading.

I could go on but, really, will it help?

[K.Rove]

well when talking to "Snidley Tellall", Rove woulda also left out the "Undercover" part...

Honestly, how do you explain to someone that Plame pushed the CIA to send Wilson without saying that Plame pushed the CIA to send Wilson? The whole point is relative, and has to be explained, otherwise people think that Wilson was telling the truth when He writes the NYTimes editorial and says that He was sent by Cheney. Do you have any idea how many French connections Wilson has? Nice attempt at debate though, and I applaud you trying, but you're just on the wrong side of the issue.

[gr8fuldaniel]

Quote by: K.Rove Trust Joe Wilson? The same Joe Wilson that said, "Neo-conservatives and religious conservatives have hijacked this administration, and I consider myself on a personal mission to destroy both."

Whats wrong with that? They destroyed his wifes carreer and endangered her and her contacts very lives. The reason Wilson utterred your quote? Can be found in this other statement of his:
"To use the White House for a smear campaign is an outrageous abuse of power"

This administration is a disgrace to America

The Declaration of Independence shall be declared upon this administration, these words will condemn them:

"when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security."