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Feb 22, 2004, 09:06 pm

Why can't people listen to moore, rush, etc and just take it with a grain of salt? Is this so hard?

SeanWah · Feb 22, 2004, 10:24 pm

Ironically, as has been pointed out, the left has nothing do with compassion, the right has nothing to do with freedom. It is merely about taking sides in the war of the classes.

A person officially becomes a "sheep" in my mind when they begin advocating restrictive measures against their political opposition BY MERE VIRTUE of the fact that they ARE their political opposition. I know all too many of them, and most of them are liberal, but then again I live in an area where conservatives dominate; in places like Massachusetts, the converse, I'm sure, is true.

cepjr61 · Feb 22, 2004, 10:29 pm

You don't have to be left-winged to be a sheep. Sheep know nothing about politics. You want to see what's going on in the real world? Watch closely and see who's paying the bills. Do google searches on the following: Project Hammer,
MK-Ultra, Operation Mockingbird, Who runs the Federal Reserve, Armand Hammer, these will just get ya started, but I warn you, if you do not approach what you find with an open mind, it won't make any sense to you and you'll wind up being confused and thinking it's nothing but a bunch of bunk. I have already been researching these same subjects and others for over 20 years now, and let me tell ya, politicians hate to see me ask questions during our local elections because they know they can't honestly answer them.

Impenitent · Feb 23, 2004, 01:34 am

<blockquote>Quote:<hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (m5lange1,)
Impenitant,

Yea... um sure.... I have listened to Rush Limbaugh

And read Al Franken and even went to see Michale Moor's propaganda flicks.

All that stuff is shock entertainment for me. It is just wondering what one of these idiots will say next.

ANYONE who believes Franken, Moore or LIMBAUGH as honest truth tellers ave cajones the size of coco nuts to think anyone else is "spoon fed propaganda".

To me any of you who buy somebody who constantly shows either the left or right as always correct and the other as always wrong are peas in a pod. You are all sheep.<hr size="1" /></blockquote>

and if you knew what "ditto heads" meant you would not have used it as you did...

m5lange1 · Feb 23, 2004, 09:14 am

I may well stand corrected.

I confess I have never actually heard the term defincd.

It was an assumption based on the satement from Rush (paraphrased) on numerous occasions 'You don't need to go anywhere else I will tell you the news and what to think about it.' plus the very nature of the term "ditto head".

cepjr61 · Feb 23, 2004, 03:04 pm

I never use franken, moore, or limbaugh for any type of reference. Too much bias there without actual facts. They speak more out of emotion than proof. You want to see how things are really going, and who's doing what? I suggest you listen to alex jones at infowars.com. He (alex) speaks on nothing but facts and you'll find that alex can give you any and all laws passed or on the voting doc to be passed. No fake idealistic info at his website or radio show. You can listen to alex live at infowars from 11:00am to 2:00pm central standard time, and you can also call into his show at 1-800-259-9231 during the show and he'll explain to you anything ya wanna know. One thing you'll learn about be is that I don't deal, delve, nor condone conspiracy theories, I deal only in facts.

eburchelli · Feb 24, 2004, 03:53 am

<blockquote>Quote:<hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (SeanWah,)
Ironically, as has been pointed out, the left has nothing do with compassion, the right has nothing to do with freedom. It is merely about taking sides in the war of the classes.<hr size="1" /></blockquote>
That depends upon your definition of compassion and freedom.

But for sure, there are class differences in the US, mostly perpetuated by factions within the US government.

Anniee · Feb 24, 2004, 07:24 am

Disclaimer: I'm not conservative or Republican.

M5, like soooooooooooo many you've really misread Rush's tongue-in-cheek in-joke. Though since probably 15 million people "get it" I don't know how much of an "in" joke it really is. People who enjoy the show just laugh when folks say things like what you've been saying and completely miss the point - I'm not trying to be rude, honestly, but we do. I just kind of see a huge WHOOOSH in the sky when people say those things, then shake my head and laugh along with Rush. By the way, how did you enjoy his theme song with the gospel choir singing "Thank the Lord, thank the Lord Rush Limbaugh's o-ooooon. Talent on loan from God" ?

Then again, occasionally even fans really do miss it - he had this horribly surreal song on once by Paulo Conte and he was going on about how wonderful it was and how you just wanted to be there when it was being recorded...while most of us laughed like we always do (and as was the intention, just as with the other hyperbole you mention) a FEW people actually thought he was serious and wanted to know where to get it, etc. Hehe...you REALLY have to assume a humorous intent a lot more often with Rush. Because you'll be right. (Here's the thing to remember - spotlighting absurdity - with absurdity.)

antayla · Feb 24, 2004, 08:47 am

<blockquote>Quote:<hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (cepjr61,)
You don't have to be left-winged to be a sheep. Sheep know nothing about politics.<hr size="1" /></blockquote>

Yeah, I always thought there were three political theolog.. I mean, philosophies. Left, Right, and Apathetic.

Passivist · Feb 24, 2004, 09:30 am

<blockquote>Quote:<hr size="1" />Originally Posted by
Those statements are made by the left.<hr size="1" /></blockquote>
Well, there you have your answer. And if I need to spell it out for you: the answer is, that there is no 'the' left or 'the' right or 'the' muslims, etc. here are individuals with sometimes common ideas. And yes, people tend to polarize within the group they identify with, when confronted by people they identify as belonging to another group. It's called "group-think" in Psychology. Very interesting.

<blockquote>Quote:<hr size="1" />Originally Posted by
Everyone is an idiot.

The smart man makes his own philosophy to fit the situation. The idiots follow the most charismatic leader.<hr size="1" /></blockquote>
I know at least the first statement is a non-serious one, but if everyone is an idiot, how can you identify who is smart or dumb? I believe everyone will define "smart" thus, as to fit him- of herself in that category.

cepjr61 · Feb 24, 2004, 01:16 pm

That's my point. We call ourselves the United States of America, yet we divide ourselves with skin color, economic paradigms, geographical locations, and last but not least, political party affiliations. What's so united about all of that? This is exactly where the so-called conspiracy begins, within the human mind, and many always fail to see just that. Our gov't is nothing but a shell game of conglomorants whose only agenda is to further enslave the american people via taxes, high interest rates, high mortages, and a high cost of living. There are many more examples that can be presented here but the above forementioned are the ones that attract the most attention. I seen where somebody said thank the lord for Rush Limbaugh?? LOL, That's a good one, especially since ole Rush condemned other drug addicts and said they should all be jailed while he himself is a drug addict who shopped around for doctors to help support his habit. Limbaugh is nothing more than an NWO puppet, just like all the mainstream media personel are. There is nothing to american politics anymore, and the proof is all around for those of you who care to look. What's John Kerry or Edwards gonna do about the more than 7 trillion trade deficit we have? What about the failed foreign policies in the middle east? What about the civil unrest that's happening in our southwest region adjoining Mexico? What about all those jobs that have already "left" the usa for foreign nations? This doesn't even touch the surface either. The elite want americans arguing about great stuff like the Laci Peterson case, Robert Blake, gay rights, unemployment, etc, all while they continue to sell out this great nation. Ya'll want to see who's yanking the strings in the usa? Check out the international bankers whom are manipulating our federal banks and check just who sits on the boards of all those international banking empires, and then after you find that information, go and read all about the bloodlines of the 13 most powerful families in the world. Once you have done that, it's easy to sit back and see what's happening within our gov't and you'll be able to even foretell what's gonna happen and why long before even any news media gets wind of it. Heck, I told many folks about that china spy plane incident even before dubya was sworn into office, and I also told the same people that a catastrophic event like 9-11 would take place in dubya's first year of office! Coincidence you think?? Not hardly, the evidence was there, but many just didn't want to pay attention to it. Americans haven't seen anything yet, just wait when the dollar completely collapses, and then martial law will be put into effect, and remember, General Tommy Franks said that the american constitution wouldn't survive another 9-11 type of attack. Read the writing on the wall folks, it's there for all of us, and there's nothing conspiracy about facts.

castille · Feb 25, 2004, 09:11 am

Its easy to be sheep.

Stick to a political affiliation. Join up with the Communists, socialists, democrats, republicans, nazis, or god knows what.

Then agree. "Rich people are evil. "Yes" "Yes"

The world needs sheep. What would happen to Germany without the young Nazis, willing to die for their cause? What would be Europe without the solid Soviet stormtrooper, drilled into Communist propaganda, ready to fight? What would the world be without the American to say "Arabs are terrorists, rich are evil, and I'm American so I must be right"?

Sheep ain't bad. We're all sheep in a way. The world needs sheep, as a machine rotates with its gears, and an assembly line carefully stamps a label onto a license plate.

Impenitent · Feb 25, 2004, 11:02 am

<blockquote>Quote:<hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (cepjr61,)
That's my point. We call ourselves the United States of America, yet we divide ourselves with skin color, economic paradigms, geographical locations, and last but not least, political party affiliations. What's so united about all of that? This is exactly where the so-called conspiracy begins, within the human mind, and many always fail to see just that. Our gov't is nothing but a shell game of conglomorants whose only agenda is to further enslave the american people via taxes, high interest rates, high mortages, and a high cost of living. There are many more examples that can be presented here but the above forementioned are the ones that attract the most attention. I seen where somebody said thank the lord for Rush Limbaugh?? LOL, That's a good one, especially since ole Rush condemned other drug addicts and said they should all be jailed while he himself is a drug addict who shopped around for doctors to help support his habit. Limbaugh is nothing more than an NWO puppet, just like all the mainstream media personel are. There is nothing to american politics anymore, and the proof is all around for those of you who care to look. What's John Kerry or Edwards gonna do about the more than 7 trillion trade deficit we have? What about the failed foreign policies in the middle east? What about the civil unrest that's happening in our southwest region adjoining Mexico? What about all those jobs that have already "left" the usa for foreign nations? This doesn't even touch the surface either. The elite want americans arguing about great stuff like the Laci Peterson case, Robert Blake, gay rights, unemployment, etc, all while they continue to sell out this great nation. Ya'll want to see who's yanking the strings in the usa? Check out the international bankers whom are manipulating our federal banks and check just who sits on the boards of all those international banking empires, and then after you find that information, go and read all about the bloodlines of the 13 most powerful families in the world. Once you have done that, it's easy to sit back and see what's happening within our gov't and you'll be able to even foretell what's gonna happen and why long before even any news media gets wind of it. Heck, I told many folks about that china spy plane incident even before dubya was sworn into office, and I also told the same people that a catastrophic event like 9-11 would take place in dubya's first year of office! Coincidence you think?? Not hardly, the evidence was there, but many just didn't want to pay attention to it. Americans haven't seen anything yet, just wait when the dollar completely collapses, and then martial law will be put into effect, and remember, General Tommy Franks said that the american constitution wouldn't survive another 9-11 type of attack. Read the writing on the wall folks, it's there for all of us, and there's nothing conspiracy about facts.<hr size="1" /></blockquote>

really? "especially since ole Rush condemned other drug addicts and said they should all be jailed"

where is the exact quote? time and date?

dotcoma · Feb 25, 2004, 11:22 am

<blockquote>Quote:<hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (m5lange1,)
<blockquote>Quote:<hr size="1" />Originally Posted by
roxdog
the "left" are the biggest sheep of all.... <hr size="1" /></blockquote>

The deciples of Mr. Limbaugh even call themselves "ditto heads".

Not excusing the left sheep by any means but to look over the fence and bleat at the other side looks

Ba'a'a'a'a'ad<hr size="1" /></blockquote>

I only say this because most of the "left" love Clinton and the tyrannical United Nations. I see the "right' and "left" as two phony political systems: completely controlled.

dotcoma · Feb 25, 2004, 11:24 am

<blockquote>Quote:<hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (Impenitent,)

really? "especially since ole Rush condemned other drug addicts and said they should all be jailed"

where is the exact quote? time and date?<hr size="1" /></blockquote>

I don't know the exact date but I've heard Rush say such things...

cepjr61 · Feb 25, 2004, 01:07 pm

Impenitent, and roxdog, here's that Limbaugh quote ya'll whined about.
You'll learn real quick that I deal with only facts. Below is the exact quote and url link so you can read the entire article. My apologies for not answering sooner, I only get 1 e-mail reply for the posts I make in this forum, so I do miss one once in a while, but enjoy the below post, I know I enjoyed sending to ya. LOL
______________________________________________________________________
http://www.bartcop.com/punish-rush.htm

"What this says to me is that too many whites are getting away with illegal drug use. Too many whites are getting away
with drug sales. Too many whites are getting away with using and trafficking in this stuff. The answer to this disparity
is not to start letting people out of jail because we're not putting others in jail who are breaking the law.
The answer is to go out and find the ones who are getting away with it, convict them and send them up the river, too."
-- Rush Limbaugh show, Oct. 5, 1995

cepjr61 · Feb 25, 2004, 01:19 pm

castille, you may remain a sheep if you like, that's your business, but I'll continue on the path that few dare to travel, which is, the straight and narrow. I never was a sheep that I can ever recall, because all my life people always told me that asking questions all the time was my biggest fault, with which I would always reply, well, if I do everything the same way that others do, then I wouldn't need a mind to think for myself with now would I? I've been called everything from a radical to a hardliner, but the only thing I have ever seeked to do in life was always be truthful, and to search for the truth as best I could. So, if that's a bad thing, then I reckon I'm a bad person.

cepjr61 · Feb 25, 2004, 01:38 pm

It's real funny, some here say that it's the left whom are the sheep, but yet it's the right-winged neocons who are the ones who have fallen in line with dubya to appease corporations, relax emmissions, pass draconian constitutionally violating policing acts (Patriot Acts 1&2), and my favorite, attacking a defenseless nation that doesn't have as mush as a slingshot to defend it'self(Iraq), and on top of all of this, lie in order to go to war. Dubya speaking:okay men, who's all in favor in invading Iraq for its' oil? Frist-Baaaa(yes), Lott-Baaaa(yes), Hatch-Baaaa(yes), Hagel-Baaaa(yes), Kucinich-Burp(no)! Okay Mr Kucinich, it's off to the dungeon for you to look at nude photos of rosanne barr, before she lost the weight!

Impenitent · Feb 25, 2004, 02:05 pm

<blockquote>Quote:<hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (cepjr61,)
Impenitent, and roxdog, here's that Limbaugh quote ya'll whined about.
You'll learn real quick that I deal with only facts. Below is the exact quote and url link so you can read the entire article. My apologies for not answering sooner, I only get 1 e-mail reply for the posts I make in this forum, so I do miss one once in a while, but enjoy the below post, I know I enjoyed sending to ya. LOL
______________________________________________________________________
http://www.bartcop.com/punish-rush.htm

"What this says to me is that too many whites are getting away with illegal drug use. Too many whites are getting away
with drug sales. Too many whites are getting away with using and trafficking in this stuff. The answer to this disparity
is not to start letting people out of jail because we're not putting others in jail who are breaking the law.
The answer is to go out and find the ones who are getting away with it, convict them and send them up the river, too."
-- Rush Limbaugh show, Oct. 5, 1995<hr size="1" /></blockquote>

that could have been said by rush, it does sound like him... however, all you have done is provided a web site that could have been manufactured by any rush hater that simply claims that he said it...

now all you have to do is convict him in a court of law...

cepjr61 · Feb 25, 2004, 09:49 pm

Impenitent, you asked for a time and date of when Rush said what he did, and now I am sure that you're smart enough to call or e-mail the show for a complete transcript? Sorry I deflated your hero down to the level that he truly is, but you asked for info and I provided it. If you don't want any info, then stop asking for it. I'm not here to be an appeaser, heck, a lot of the stuff I find doesn't really thrill me either, but that's the price you pay for wanting to find the truth.

Feb 23, 2004, 01:34 am	#24 (permalink) (top)
Impenitent Hot Lava Posts: 1,859	</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (m5lange1,) Impenitant, Yea... um sure.... I have listened to Rush Limbaugh And read Al Franken and even went to see Michale Moor's propaganda flicks. All that stuff is shock entertainment for me. It is just wondering what one of these idiots will say next. ANYONE who believes Franken, Moore or LIMBAUGH as honest truth tellers ave cajones the size of coco nuts to think anyone else is "spoon fed propaganda". To me any of you who buy somebody who constantly shows either the left or right as always correct and the other as always wrong are peas in a pod. You are all sheep.<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'> and if you knew what "ditto heads" meant you would not have used it as you did... "I really like this jacket, but the sleeves are much too long..." insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, but expecting different results...

Feb 23, 2004, 09:14 am	#25 (permalink) (top)
m5lange1 Igneous Magma Posts: 667	I may well stand corrected. I confess I have never actually heard the term defincd. It was an assumption based on the satement from Rush (paraphrased) on numerous occasions 'You don't need to go anywhere else I will tell you the news and what to think about it.' plus the very nature of the term "ditto head". Protester against the culture war!!!!

Feb 24, 2004, 03:53 am	#27 (permalink) (top)
eburchelli Molten Ash Posts: 106	</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (SeanWah,) Ironically, as has been pointed out, the left has nothing do with compassion, the right has nothing to do with freedom. It is merely about taking sides in the war of the classes.<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'> That depends upon your definition of compassion and freedom. But for sure, there are class differences in the US, mostly perpetuated by factions within the US government.

Feb 24, 2004, 07:24 am	#28 (permalink) (top)
Anniee Mr. Queen Posts: 231	Disclaimer: I'm not conservative or Republican. M5, like soooooooooooo many you've really misread Rush's tongue-in-cheek in-joke. Though since probably 15 million people "get it" I don't know how much of an "in" joke it really is. People who enjoy the show just laugh when folks say things like what you've been saying and completely miss the point - I'm not trying to be rude, honestly, but we do. I just kind of see a huge WHOOOSH in the sky when people say those things, then shake my head and laugh along with Rush. By the way, how did you enjoy his theme song with the gospel choir singing "Thank the Lord, thank the Lord Rush Limbaugh's o-ooooon. Talent on loan from God" ? Then again, occasionally even fans really do miss it - he had this horribly surreal song on once by Paulo Conte and he was going on about how wonderful it was and how you just wanted to be there when it was being recorded...while most of us laughed like we always do (and as was the intention, just as with the other hyperbole you mention) a FEW people actually thought he was serious and wanted to know where to get it, etc. Hehe...you REALLY have to assume a humorous intent a lot more often with Rush. Because you'll be right. (Here's the thing to remember - spotlighting absurdity - with absurdity.) Among the many misdeeds of the British rule in India, history will look upon the act of depriving a whole nation of arms, as the blackest. Mohandas Gandhi

Feb 24, 2004, 08:47 am	#29 (permalink) (top)
antayla Molten Ash Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 56	</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (cepjr61,) You don't have to be left-winged to be a sheep. Sheep know nothing about politics.<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'> Yeah, I always thought there were three political theolog.. I mean, philosophies. Left, Right, and Apathetic. Member of the Free State Project. http://www.freestateproject.com

Feb 22, 2004, 09:06 pm	#21 (permalink) (top)
dotComa Guest Posts: n/a	Why can't people listen to moore, rush, etc and just take it with a grain of salt? Is this so hard?

Feb 22, 2004, 10:24 pm	#22 (permalink) (top)
SeanWah Molten Ash Posts: 47	Ironically, as has been pointed out, the left has nothing do with compassion, the right has nothing to do with freedom. It is merely about taking sides in the war of the classes. A person officially becomes a "sheep" in my mind when they begin advocating restrictive measures against their political opposition BY MERE VIRTUE of the fact that they ARE their political opposition. I know all too many of them, and most of them are liberal, but then again I live in an area where conservatives dominate; in places like Massachusetts, the converse, I'm sure, is true.

Feb 22, 2004, 10:29 pm	#23 (permalink) (top)
cepjr61 Sedimentary Rock Posts: 22	You don't have to be left-winged to be a sheep. Sheep know nothing about politics. You want to see what's going on in the real world? Watch closely and see who's paying the bills. Do google searches on the following: Project Hammer, MK-Ultra, Operation Mockingbird, Who runs the Federal Reserve, Armand Hammer, these will just get ya started, but I warn you, if you do not approach what you find with an open mind, it won't make any sense to you and you'll wind up being confused and thinking it's nothing but a bunch of bunk. I have already been researching these same subjects and others for over 20 years now, and let me tell ya, politicians hate to see me ask questions during our local elections because they know they can't honestly answer them.

Feb 23, 2004, 03:04 pm	#26 (permalink) (top)
cepjr61 Sedimentary Rock Posts: 22	I never use franken, moore, or limbaugh for any type of reference. Too much bias there without actual facts. They speak more out of emotion than proof. You want to see how things are really going, and who's doing what? I suggest you listen to alex jones at infowars.com. He (alex) speaks on nothing but facts and you'll find that alex can give you any and all laws passed or on the voting doc to be passed. No fake idealistic info at his website or radio show. You can listen to alex live at infowars from 11:00am to 2:00pm central standard time, and you can also call into his show at 1-800-259-9231 during the show and he'll explain to you anything ya wanna know. One thing you'll learn about be is that I don't deal, delve, nor condone conspiracy theories, I deal only in facts.

Feb 24, 2004, 09:30 am	#30 (permalink) (top)
Passivist Molten Ash Location: Groningen Posts: 30	</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by Those statements are made by the left.<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'> Well, there you have your answer. And if I need to spell it out for you: the answer is, that there is no 'the' left or 'the' right or 'the' muslims, etc. here are individuals with sometimes common ideas. And yes, people tend to polarize within the group they identify with, when confronted by people they identify as belonging to another group. It's called "group-think" in Psychology. Very interesting. </span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by Everyone is an idiot. The smart man makes his own philosophy to fit the situation. The idiots follow the most charismatic leader.<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'> I know at least the first statement is a non-serious one, but if everyone is an idiot, how can you identify who is smart or dumb? I believe everyone will define "smart" thus, as to fit him- of herself in that category. Self-deception does not alter truth.

Feb 24, 2004, 01:16 pm	#31 (permalink) (top)
cepjr61 Sedimentary Rock Posts: 22	That's my point. We call ourselves the United States of America, yet we divide ourselves with skin color, economic paradigms, geographical locations, and last but not least, political party affiliations. What's so united about all of that? This is exactly where the so-called conspiracy begins, within the human mind, and many always fail to see just that. Our gov't is nothing but a shell game of conglomorants whose only agenda is to further enslave the american people via taxes, high interest rates, high mortages, and a high cost of living. There are many more examples that can be presented here but the above forementioned are the ones that attract the most attention. I seen where somebody said thank the lord for Rush Limbaugh?? LOL, That's a good one, especially since ole Rush condemned other drug addicts and said they should all be jailed while he himself is a drug addict who shopped around for doctors to help support his habit. Limbaugh is nothing more than an NWO puppet, just like all the mainstream media personel are. There is nothing to american politics anymore, and the proof is all around for those of you who care to look. What's John Kerry or Edwards gonna do about the more than 7 trillion trade deficit we have? What about the failed foreign policies in the middle east? What about the civil unrest that's happening in our southwest region adjoining Mexico? What about all those jobs that have already "left" the usa for foreign nations? This doesn't even touch the surface either. The elite want americans arguing about great stuff like the Laci Peterson case, Robert Blake, gay rights, unemployment, etc, all while they continue to sell out this great nation. Ya'll want to see who's yanking the strings in the usa? Check out the international bankers whom are manipulating our federal banks and check just who sits on the boards of all those international banking empires, and then after you find that information, go and read all about the bloodlines of the 13 most powerful families in the world. Once you have done that, it's easy to sit back and see what's happening within our gov't and you'll be able to even foretell what's gonna happen and why long before even any news media gets wind of it. Heck, I told many folks about that china spy plane incident even before dubya was sworn into office, and I also told the same people that a catastrophic event like 9-11 would take place in dubya's first year of office! Coincidence you think?? Not hardly, the evidence was there, but many just didn't want to pay attention to it. Americans haven't seen anything yet, just wait when the dollar completely collapses, and then martial law will be put into effect, and remember, General Tommy Franks said that the american constitution wouldn't survive another 9-11 type of attack. Read the writing on the wall folks, it's there for all of us, and there's nothing conspiracy about facts.

Feb 25, 2004, 09:11 am	#32 (permalink) (top)
castille Citizen #21521 Posts: 2,599	Its easy to be sheep. Stick to a political affiliation. Join up with the Communists, socialists, democrats, republicans, nazis, or god knows what. Then agree. "Rich people are evil. "Yes" "Yes" The world needs sheep. What would happen to Germany without the young Nazis, willing to die for their cause? What would be Europe without the solid Soviet stormtrooper, drilled into Communist propaganda, ready to fight? What would the world be without the American to say "Arabs are terrorists, rich are evil, and I'm American so I must be right"? Sheep ain't bad. We're all sheep in a way. The world needs sheep, as a machine rotates with its gears, and an assembly line carefully stamps a label onto a license plate. Ideological loyalty is the act of giving your soul to a vague concept, to be manipulated by people smarter than you.

Feb 25, 2004, 11:02 am	#33 (permalink) (top)
Impenitent Hot Lava Posts: 1,859	</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (cepjr61,) That's my point. We call ourselves the United States of America, yet we divide ourselves with skin color, economic paradigms, geographical locations, and last but not least, political party affiliations. What's so united about all of that? This is exactly where the so-called conspiracy begins, within the human mind, and many always fail to see just that. Our gov't is nothing but a shell game of conglomorants whose only agenda is to further enslave the american people via taxes, high interest rates, high mortages, and a high cost of living. There are many more examples that can be presented here but the above forementioned are the ones that attract the most attention. I seen where somebody said thank the lord for Rush Limbaugh?? LOL, That's a good one, especially since ole Rush condemned other drug addicts and said they should all be jailed while he himself is a drug addict who shopped around for doctors to help support his habit. Limbaugh is nothing more than an NWO puppet, just like all the mainstream media personel are. There is nothing to american politics anymore, and the proof is all around for those of you who care to look. What's John Kerry or Edwards gonna do about the more than 7 trillion trade deficit we have? What about the failed foreign policies in the middle east? What about the civil unrest that's happening in our southwest region adjoining Mexico? What about all those jobs that have already "left" the usa for foreign nations? This doesn't even touch the surface either. The elite want americans arguing about great stuff like the Laci Peterson case, Robert Blake, gay rights, unemployment, etc, all while they continue to sell out this great nation. Ya'll want to see who's yanking the strings in the usa? Check out the international bankers whom are manipulating our federal banks and check just who sits on the boards of all those international banking empires, and then after you find that information, go and read all about the bloodlines of the 13 most powerful families in the world. Once you have done that, it's easy to sit back and see what's happening within our gov't and you'll be able to even foretell what's gonna happen and why long before even any news media gets wind of it. Heck, I told many folks about that china spy plane incident even before dubya was sworn into office, and I also told the same people that a catastrophic event like 9-11 would take place in dubya's first year of office! Coincidence you think?? Not hardly, the evidence was there, but many just didn't want to pay attention to it. Americans haven't seen anything yet, just wait when the dollar completely collapses, and then martial law will be put into effect, and remember, General Tommy Franks said that the american constitution wouldn't survive another 9-11 type of attack. Read the writing on the wall folks, it's there for all of us, and there's nothing conspiracy about facts.<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'> really? "especially since ole Rush condemned other drug addicts and said they should all be jailed" where is the exact quote? time and date? "I really like this jacket, but the sleeves are much too long..." insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, but expecting different results...

Feb 25, 2004, 11:22 am	#34 (permalink) (top)
dotcoma Volcanic Erupter Posts: 3,154	</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (m5lange1,) </span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by roxdog the "left" are the biggest sheep of all.... <hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'> The deciples of Mr. Limbaugh even call themselves "ditto heads". Not excusing the left sheep by any means but to look over the fence and bleat at the other side looks Ba'a'a'a'a'ad<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'> I only say this because most of the "left" love Clinton and the tyrannical United Nations. I see the "right' and "left" as two phony political systems: completely controlled.

Feb 25, 2004, 11:24 am	#35 (permalink) (top)
dotcoma Volcanic Erupter Posts: 3,154	</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (Impenitent,) really? "especially since ole Rush condemned other drug addicts and said they should all be jailed" where is the exact quote? time and date?<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'> I don't know the exact date but I've heard Rush say such things...

Feb 25, 2004, 01:07 pm	#36 (permalink) (top)
cepjr61 Sedimentary Rock Posts: 22	Impenitent, and roxdog, here's that Limbaugh quote ya'll whined about. You'll learn real quick that I deal with only facts. Below is the exact quote and url link so you can read the entire article. My apologies for not answering sooner, I only get 1 e-mail reply for the posts I make in this forum, so I do miss one once in a while, but enjoy the below post, I know I enjoyed sending to ya. LOL ______________________________________________________________________ http://www.bartcop.com/punish-rush.htm "What this says to me is that too many whites are getting away with illegal drug use. Too many whites are getting away with drug sales. Too many whites are getting away with using and trafficking in this stuff. The answer to this disparity is not to start letting people out of jail because we're not putting others in jail who are breaking the law. The answer is to go out and find the ones who are getting away with it, convict them and send them up the river, too." -- Rush Limbaugh show, Oct. 5, 1995

Feb 25, 2004, 01:19 pm	#37 (permalink) (top)
cepjr61 Sedimentary Rock Posts: 22	castille, you may remain a sheep if you like, that's your business, but I'll continue on the path that few dare to travel, which is, the straight and narrow. I never was a sheep that I can ever recall, because all my life people always told me that asking questions all the time was my biggest fault, with which I would always reply, well, if I do everything the same way that others do, then I wouldn't need a mind to think for myself with now would I? I've been called everything from a radical to a hardliner, but the only thing I have ever seeked to do in life was always be truthful, and to search for the truth as best I could. So, if that's a bad thing, then I reckon I'm a bad person.

Feb 25, 2004, 01:38 pm	#38 (permalink) (top)
cepjr61 Sedimentary Rock Posts: 22	It's real funny, some here say that it's the left whom are the sheep, but yet it's the right-winged neocons who are the ones who have fallen in line with dubya to appease corporations, relax emmissions, pass draconian constitutionally violating policing acts (Patriot Acts 1&2), and my favorite, attacking a defenseless nation that doesn't have as mush as a slingshot to defend it'self(Iraq), and on top of all of this, lie in order to go to war. Dubya speaking:okay men, who's all in favor in invading Iraq for its' oil? Frist-Baaaa(yes), Lott-Baaaa(yes), Hatch-Baaaa(yes), Hagel-Baaaa(yes), Kucinich-Burp(no)! Okay Mr Kucinich, it's off to the dungeon for you to look at nude photos of rosanne barr, before she lost the weight!

Feb 25, 2004, 02:05 pm	#39 (permalink) (top)
Impenitent Hot Lava Posts: 1,859	</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (cepjr61,) Impenitent, and roxdog, here's that Limbaugh quote ya'll whined about. You'll learn real quick that I deal with only facts. Below is the exact quote and url link so you can read the entire article. My apologies for not answering sooner, I only get 1 e-mail reply for the posts I make in this forum, so I do miss one once in a while, but enjoy the below post, I know I enjoyed sending to ya. LOL ______________________________________________________________________ http://www.bartcop.com/punish-rush.htm "What this says to me is that too many whites are getting away with illegal drug use. Too many whites are getting away with drug sales. Too many whites are getting away with using and trafficking in this stuff. The answer to this disparity is not to start letting people out of jail because we're not putting others in jail who are breaking the law. The answer is to go out and find the ones who are getting away with it, convict them and send them up the river, too." -- Rush Limbaugh show, Oct. 5, 1995<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'> that could have been said by rush, it does sound like him... however, all you have done is provided a web site that could have been manufactured by any rush hater that simply claims that he said it... now all you have to do is convict him in a court of law... "I really like this jacket, but the sleeves are much too long..." insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, but expecting different results...

Feb 25, 2004, 09:49 pm	#40 (permalink) (top)
cepjr61 Sedimentary Rock Posts: 22	Impenitent, you asked for a time and date of when Rush said what he did, and now I am sure that you're smart enough to call or e-mail the show for a complete transcript? Sorry I deflated your hero down to the level that he truly is, but you asked for info and I provided it. If you don't want any info, then stop asking for it. I'm not here to be an appeaser, heck, a lot of the stuff I find doesn't really thrill me either, but that's the price you pay for wanting to find the truth.