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John · Sep 10, 2003, 12:07 am

Amrosi and Samudra, the 2 main culprits behind the bali bombings are pissing me off. Amrosi is now on deathrow, and Samudra may also share the same fate.

Whenever they are on camera they have to call Australians every name under the sun; Calling us terrorists, and saying America and Australia will fall in 10 years. They love the fact they are going to die as they become martyrs. Why can’t they cover them in pigs blood before their execution.

That’s what really makes my blood boil, watching these 2 parade on camera over what they did, but what should I expect from people who make political statements with civilians.

fedfem · Sep 10, 2003, 01:16 am

You miss the point and your comment about "pigs blood" shows your bigotry.

John · Sep 10, 2003, 01:34 am

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Originally posted by fedfem@Sep 10 2003, 01:16 AM
You miss the point and your comment about "pigs blood" shows your bigotry.

I'm a bigot because I'm venting about the way these guys jerk off to senseless acts of hatred? So many civilians died...and they smile. But hey, I only care because I'm a bigot.

RebelWithanAK · Sep 10, 2003, 10:48 am

At the same time, look at you - you're ready to see them die just as enthusiastically as they are willing to die for their cause. The rage is the same, no matter the pretense. There is no "justified" war.

GreatWyrm of Babylon · Sep 10, 2003, 10:51 pm

I suppose handing them a knife and baring your throat is the answer to killers? No thanks, if considering a killer a second class citizen is an act of bigotry, you can call me one too.

fedfem · Sep 10, 2003, 11:15 pm

Okay, you're a bigot.

GreatWyrm of Babylon · Sep 11, 2003, 12:44 am

If cheap shots make you feel better about your failings, go for it. I only feel the need to defend myself against those in my league...

Fallen Angel · Sep 11, 2003, 06:10 am

Hey count me in as a bigot too then, its better than feeling humane thoughts for Islamic terrorists who carried out a senseless act of terrorism against my people.
I was at the Bali memorial service held in the domain John, and this leftwing nut was walking around slowly with a huge sign he had written blaming John Howard for the bombing, I could'nt believe the callousness of this guy in making a grieving ceremony he's own private stage to make a political announcement, no one was doing anything, not even the cops, so I waited until he was right over the other side of the park not in the middle of the ceremony and ripped the sign off him, then he started crying for help, and the cops finally took him away and said if I did'nt leave they would take me too, I said go for it, I did nothing wrong, did'nt you hear everyone around cheer, so they just left me alone, provided I did'nt move.

John · Sep 11, 2003, 06:38 am

I wish i could just move to a secluded island with all the luxuries i need and some island women and not have a care in the world.

Fallen Angel · Sep 11, 2003, 09:13 am

Me too, good fishing and lots of hot women!

JoeyNormal · Sep 19, 2003, 03:58 pm

The death sentence is inhumane. Even killers deserve some rights; cruel and unusual punishments being morally intolerable. If we, the Western world, believe ourselves to be superior to the "terrorists" - a self-satisgfying lie, I'd say, we're all bastards - then we must act it; we must not sink to their level. We must not quarry away the moral high ground from beneath our feet.

Fallen Angel · Sep 21, 2003, 08:39 am

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Originally posted by JoeyNormal@09-19-2003 03:58 PM
The death sentence is inhumane. Even killers deserve some rights; cruel and unusual punishments being morally intolerable. If we, the Western world, believe ourselves to be superior to the "terrorists" - a self-satisgfying lie, I'd say, we're all bastards - then we must act it; we must not sink to their level. We must not quarry away the moral high ground from beneath our feet.

This is just weakminded thinking, so your saying a killer should not have taken away from him what he has taken so callously from other people.
Sorry but he has lost his right to life, by becoming a murderer, there are more important things like innocent peoples lives ruined than your precious moral high ground.

RebelWithanAK · Sep 21, 2003, 11:27 am

Weakminded?! Since when did it take guts to kill someone? Show some God-damned restraint, you animal.

Fallen Angel · Sep 22, 2003, 12:51 am

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Originally posted by RebelWithanAK@09-21-2003 11:27 AM
Weakminded?! Since when did it take guts to kill someone? Show some God-damned restraint, you animal.

I'll take that as a compliment as animals seem to be more humane than people.
Why should they be given mercy, they did'nt show any to their victims, what is not humane is death row, where pychopaths and other miserable lunatics are kept for years at taxpayers expense, to hell with the appeals system, if they are obviously guilty, hang them without any fuss or delay, so everyone can get on with their lives.
I bet you couldnt give a toss for their poor murdered victims, your so intent apon saving the perpetrators.

RebelWithanAK · Sep 22, 2003, 01:49 am

You can't save the dead. No matter how many of your enemies you kill, the dead ain't getting any less dead. There's no point in the unnecessary and often reciprocal bloodshed. You fail, utterly miserably I might add, to realize that in your system, your enemy is you.

xm.bretton · Sep 22, 2003, 02:20 am

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Originally posted by Fallen Angel@09-22-2003 12:51 AM
Why should they be given mercy, they did'nt show any to their victims, what is not humane is death row, where pychopaths and other miserable lunatics are kept for years at taxpayers expense, to hell with the appeals system, if they are obviously guilty, hang them without any fuss or delay, so everyone can get on with their lives.

if the justice system worked at all then maybe this would work also.

since when is anything obvious?

hang them as soon as possible because it is obvious they deserve it.

right. that may apply once or twice... but in most cases it is far more complex. and the justice system is so bad that these overpayed lawyers can conceal the truth and bend the laws in their favor to incriminate whoever they see fit.

Fallen Angel · Sep 22, 2003, 06:43 am

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Originally posted by xm.bretton@09-22-2003 02:20 AM

since when is anything obvious?

There are alot of obvious crimes committed today, that get away thanks to corrupt Government officials, Lawyers and police.

xm.bretton · Sep 22, 2003, 02:58 pm

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Originally posted by Fallen Angel@09-22-2003 06:43 AM
There are alot of obvious crimes committed today, that get away thanks to corrupt Government officials, Lawyers and police.

oh I didnt know you worked in law inforcement... my bad.

Fallen Angel · Sep 22, 2003, 09:28 pm

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Originally posted by xm.bretton@09-22-2003 02:58 PM
oh I didnt know you worked in law inforcement... my bad.

You don't have to work in law enforcement to know that.

G. Adams · Sep 23, 2003, 06:41 pm

If you keep an eye for it, you can see corruption, or at least great leniancy afforded to police because of their jobs. In Britain there has been a load of police caught for speeding, outside of work, who don't get any punishment. There has been a number of incidents of police attacking people, even on camera, who still get away with it. I'm just glad our average police arn't armed here, or they'd be getting away with murder often enough as well.

Sep 10, 2003, 12:07 am	#1 (permalink) (top)
John Molten Ash Location: Queensland, Australia Posts: 118	Amrosi and Samudra, the 2 main culprits behind the bali bombings are pissing me off. Amrosi is now on deathrow, and Samudra may also share the same fate. Whenever they are on camera they have to call Australians every name under the sun; Calling us terrorists, and saying America and Australia will fall in 10 years. They love the fact they are going to die as they become martyrs. Why can’t they cover them in pigs blood before their execution. That’s what really makes my blood boil, watching these 2 parade on camera over what they did, but what should I expect from people who make political statements with civilians. Only the dead have seen the end of war - Plato

Sep 10, 2003, 10:48 am	#4 (permalink) (top)
RebelWithanAK Igneous Magma Location: New York City Posts: 739	At the same time, look at you - you're ready to see them die just as enthusiastically as they are willing to die for their cause. The rage is the same, no matter the pretense. There is no "justified" war. . . . whenever any government becomes destructive to these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to institute a new government, laying its foundations on such principles and organizing its powers in such forms as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness.

Sep 11, 2003, 06:38 am	#9 (permalink) (top)
John Molten Ash Location: Queensland, Australia Posts: 118	I wish i could just move to a secluded island with all the luxuries i need and some island women and not have a care in the world. Only the dead have seen the end of war - Plato

Sep 19, 2003, 03:58 pm	#11 (permalink) (top)
JoeyNormal Sedimentary Rock Location: New Zealand Posts: 13	The death sentence is inhumane. Even killers deserve some rights; cruel and unusual punishments being morally intolerable. If we, the Western world, believe ourselves to be superior to the "terrorists" - a self-satisgfying lie, I'd say, we're all bastards - then we must act it; we must not sink to their level. We must not quarry away the moral high ground from beneath our feet. http://www.imagestation.com/picture/...1/fbde6fa7.jpg

Sep 21, 2003, 11:27 am	#13 (permalink) (top)
RebelWithanAK Igneous Magma Location: New York City Posts: 739	Weakminded?! Since when did it take guts to kill someone? Show some God-damned restraint, you animal. . . . whenever any government becomes destructive to these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to institute a new government, laying its foundations on such principles and organizing its powers in such forms as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness.

Sep 10, 2003, 01:16 am	#2 (permalink) (top)
fedfem Igneous Magma Location: Northeastern, USA Posts: 606	You miss the point and your comment about "pigs blood" shows your bigotry.

Sep 10, 2003, 10:51 pm	#5 (permalink) (top)
GreatWyrm of Babylon Avatar of Tiamut Location: Dallas, Texas (Irving) Posts: 848	I suppose handing them a knife and baring your throat is the answer to killers? No thanks, if considering a killer a second class citizen is an act of bigotry, you can call me one too.

Sep 10, 2003, 11:15 pm	#6 (permalink) (top)
fedfem Igneous Magma Location: Northeastern, USA Posts: 606	Okay, you're a bigot.

Sep 11, 2003, 12:44 am	#7 (permalink) (top)
GreatWyrm of Babylon Avatar of Tiamut Location: Dallas, Texas (Irving) Posts: 848	If cheap shots make you feel better about your failings, go for it. I only feel the need to defend myself against those in my league...

Sep 11, 2003, 06:10 am	#8 (permalink) (top)
Fallen Angel Igneous Magma Location: Sydney,Australia. Posts: 333	Hey count me in as a bigot too then, its better than feeling humane thoughts for Islamic terrorists who carried out a senseless act of terrorism against my people. I was at the Bali memorial service held in the domain John, and this leftwing nut was walking around slowly with a huge sign he had written blaming John Howard for the bombing, I could'nt believe the callousness of this guy in making a grieving ceremony he's own private stage to make a political announcement, no one was doing anything, not even the cops, so I waited until he was right over the other side of the park not in the middle of the ceremony and ripped the sign off him, then he started crying for help, and the cops finally took him away and said if I did'nt leave they would take me too, I said go for it, I did nothing wrong, did'nt you hear everyone around cheer, so they just left me alone, provided I did'nt move.

Sep 11, 2003, 09:13 am	#10 (permalink) (top)
Fallen Angel Igneous Magma Location: Sydney,Australia. Posts: 333	Me too, good fishing and lots of hot women!

Sep 22, 2003, 01:49 am	#15 (permalink) (top)
RebelWithanAK Igneous Magma Location: New York City Posts: 739	You can't save the dead. No matter how many of your enemies you kill, the dead ain't getting any less dead. There's no point in the unnecessary and often reciprocal bloodshed. You fail, utterly miserably I might add, to realize that in your system, your enemy is you. . . . whenever any government becomes destructive to these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to institute a new government, laying its foundations on such principles and organizing its powers in such forms as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness.

Sep 23, 2003, 06:41 pm	#20 (permalink) (top)
G. Adams Fyrdman Location: Middlesbrough UK Posts: 4,152	If you keep an eye for it, you can see corruption, or at least great leniancy afforded to police because of their jobs. In Britain there has been a load of police caught for speeding, outside of work, who don't get any punishment. There has been a number of incidents of police attacking people, even on camera, who still get away with it. I'm just glad our average police arn't armed here, or they'd be getting away with murder often enough as well. Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery. Winston Churchill