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Old Aug 8, 2005, 12:38 pm   #61 (permalink) (top)
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The Africans do have a special grievance as practically the entire continent was colonized along absolutely numbskull lines drawn on a big map in Berlin. They're still living with the potent effects of that. So yeah, tiny, they do have grounds to make demands.

Not that I think a seat or two on the SC will help them much.
Czechoslovakia, India, Canada, and Poland, among other countries, were created by lines drawn on a map elsewhere. I am sure there are other examples of arbitrary boundaries. Those countries seem to be accomplishing something, even if they have their share of problems. I don't see the Czech Republic or Canada at the trough for aid. Even Slovakia, Poland and India's requests are modest. Africa appears to live at the trough and the money goes into dictators' Swiss bank accounts.
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Old Aug 8, 2005, 01:08 pm   #62 (permalink) (top)
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You're dodging the issue, JB.

Czechoclovakia don't work cause its borders were drawn precisely along ethnic lines (well, a bit rough here and there but pretty well). This was the bee in Woodrow Wilson's bonnet, dismantling the Austro-Hungarian Empire in a manner that would let the different peoples have their own country -- unlike the situation in Africa.

Canada, it's true, has borders meaningless re the territory of its original inhabitants, but those peoples are now a tiny minority of the population -- unlike the situation in Africa.

India? So tell us, which ethnic groups are artificially divided there? Careful not to say Punjabi and thus confuse things with the Partition, which was a wholly Indian affair -- unlike the situation in Africa.
And anyway, India is a byword for crippling ethnic strife.

Poland? Well Poland regained much of its territory after WWII. Yes, there are a few small groups of ethnic Poles elsewhere -- nothing to compare to the situation in Africa.

The "trough", eh? Revealing choice of words. (I'd like to see you have to live the way most Africans do.) Nothing you have said negates the glaring truth of what I said about borders.


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