Where's The Outrage

[[ÄK]LËGÖLÄS]

WE were lied to
Our feelings, our beliefs, Manipulated. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/corr...ent/3028585.stm
Our young men and women were put in harms way for a lie.
Our Tax Money was used to Bomb villages, towns cities, Men , women, children, elderly, Soldiers, and civilians.
Promises of “no child left behind” broken
No money for schools but we have billions for defense
The image of America tarnished even more Worldwide.
Questions about 9-11 still unanswered. What if 40 years from now we find out that 9-11 was another Pearl Harbor? What would happen if people found out about it now?
No WMD’s found
No links Between Al quaeda and Iraq
Still no body of Osama or Saddam
Questions about our campaign in Afghanistan still unanswered.
Leaving us wondering WTH are we doing?
What’s really going on?
My Question is Where is The OUTRAGE



Outrage would be the only appropriate response to Lies on such a Mass scale.
I think that many do feel outrage, and many want to take action. However you would never be able to tell from watching the news. The trick that always works in this situation is this one.
1) “massive damage control”…lie lie lie about what happened and what’s happening, disinformation everywhere, calm everyone down.
2) “Distractions everywhere”…Diseases here, car bombings there, little girl gets kidnapped over somewhere, So and so wins award, so and so has new book. The usual media pre-occupation with the unimportant
3) “conformity as the Norm” make sure that protest and demonstrations get minimal air time. God forbid that you ever present what the hell they are protesting. Other than saying “they are protesting war” or “protesting the killing of innocent civilians” Make sure that the people against your cause are presented as lunatics, unreasonable, radicals, extremist….in other Words un -relatable
4) “Keep the people comfortable” One reason I knew Bush was gonna get away with this one was because the reason we are invading and attacking these countries is also one of the same things that keeps us so comfortable. Oil. Give the people Food, Give the people entertainment, Give the people distractions, give the people the basic luxuries, Give the people some sense of hope. And no one will turn on you. People don’t tend to bite the hand the feeds them.
5) “keep the people in fear” SarS….keep those damm immigrants away, close the borders, We don’t want Sars over here. Anthrax…the media had fun with that one while we were bombing the Taliban. Watch your Children….you don’t want them getting raped or molested by some priest, you don’t want them getting abducted, you don’t want Sadamm to kill our children? Do you? Threats….threat in North Korea, Indonesia, Pakistan, iraq, Iran, Columbia, Somalia, Israel, Palestine, Russia, yemen…you name it. Communist, facist, dictators, rebels, terrorist cells, terrorist states. The Economy..it’s real bad, we’re all gonna loose our jobs, Bullshit…..Most of the Big companies are still reporting huge profits. Especially ones dealing with defense, engineering, and energy. Alot of these companies are still making big money. And you know what they benefit even more from firing YOU. That’s one less mofo on their payroll. The economy is going through a bit of a recession but nothing out of the ordinary. This new Bush tax cut plan isn’t gonna help the people that need the help…but instead it’s gonna reward these greedy corporate bastards, who helped get him elected.

Bush may be stupid..but he’s been smart enough to manipulate your ass. Which makes you what? A *%#$ Moron. Sheep being led to the slaughter house. And you know what. YOU LOVE IT. That’s why many of you plan to vote for your Massa again this upcoming election. “O masaa taka good Care O us” you damm right

[RebelWithanAK]

This is why I have a daily time set aside to better get in touch with my rage... grrr... GRRR...

[Down]

Theres no way I would ever vote for Bush. He is a moron, there really is no disputing that. I cant believe that he is asking congress for more money to try and stop a war he never should have started in the first place. An gas prices? There is no oil shortage, my best friends dad has worked in an oil refinery for like 20+ years, and he says that crude oil now costs less than it did a year ago. There is no reason for gas to cost what it does, other than the false fear that has been imposed over the entire population.

[fedfem]

I am outraged! I am trying my best to break through the fear and ignorance.

[GreatWyrm of Babylon]

I find it amusing that you people think that Bush has that much control over your entire life. Everything that has gone for you is his fault, right? Grow up and take responsibility for yourselves. If you really think that a moron could manipulate republicans and democrats alike, you might what to observe that your logic is not anything to brag about...

[fedfem]

Spoken like a true texan worm! You must stop drinking the water.lol What logic do you use to not to be upset? I don't think anyone here feels that Bush has any control over their life much less his own. Over the lives of innocent Iraqis, Afghanis, Swedes, etc....perhaps. The point is not duping, but taking advantage of people's fears, religious beliefs and patriotism. Just about every tyrannical government has used this ploy. Ignorance and lack of education is to blame, otherwise, how can any human being stand by and just watch and say nothing. If you were apathetic I could understand, but you constantly remind us of your logical thinking skills and education yet have rarely stated anything close to a logical argument that can be debated.

[GreatWyrm of Babylon]

Fedfem
You are amusing, you start a post with personal insults, a phrase that makes no sense, and then laugh at your own joke(?). Then you attack my education and intelligence? Obviously you lack those yourself or you would know how little effect that has on someone that knows better. I do not have to have your approval, uneducated stupid people cannot possibily handle what I do on a daily basis.

I put up with those silly assertions from Geoff, and Adams, but at least they are literate and coherent, even if they have radiclly different views than I do.

[fedfem]

Where did I attack your education and intelligence? I was teasing you in a lighthearted manner--or so I thought. I agree my grammar was a little off--I was posting on the fly at the time.

The thread topic is about the lack of outrage, knowing we were lied to. You seem to be the one who posted a generic attack telling us to "grow up". I only know of one person on this board who brags about their logic and it wasn't anyone you were addressing.

To begin again; Why are you not outraged? Educate us.

[GreatWyrm of Babylon]

I am not outraged because their is always a party line, it is always ficticious and it often contains errors. It does not matter if you are a dictater or a president, the only difference is who you have to lie to.

The dictator has to do certain things to stay in power. He can only start a war with so big a country, and he can only spend as much as he can replace from the labor of his slaves. He has to have support from powerful allies and he has to convince them that they are getting their moneys worth, so he has to lie to them to keep them from destroying the country, since their greed will topple the country if left unchecked.

The president is in a simular situation. Less is required from him by those supporters because they also have to compete with rival factions, but he also has to consider the morale of the people, and that other party is happy to exaggerate any mistake. Therefore honesty is right out of the question, becuase it is much easier to maintain a good simple lie, than to wait for the first mistake with the truth to destroy your reputation.

This is simply the nature of any complex government. Any fool that thinks an honest man could possibly be put in a position of power should not be in politics, but do not worry they seldom last long enough to do any damage!!!

Honor is a luxery that those in power cannot afford. A good ruler is one that knows this and is selective in his honesty, a bad ruler is one that tries to maintain his honor, because he is broken and corrupted in due course.

[fedfem]

Fair enough, and I agree with your premise. Do you feel that this administration as well as the UK, has done what it has in the best interests of their nations and people? Do you feel that the Corporate interests are being served with our tax dollars rather than the people's? If not, what has the Iraq War done for our peoples?

[[ÄK]LËGÖLÄS]

Originally posted by GreatWyrm of Babylon@Sep 12 2003, 07:22 PM Fedfem You are amusing, you start a post with personal insults, a phrase that makes no sense, and then laugh at your own joke(?). Then you attack my education and intelligence? Obviously you lack those yourself or you would know how little effect that has on someone that knows better. I do not have to have your approval, uneducated stupid people cannot possibily handle what I do on a daily basis. I put up with those silly assertions from Geoff, and Adams, but at least they are literate and coherent, even if they have radiclly different views than I do.

Umm i think you're wrong on this one. Bush may not have all the power in the world but he does have enough power to screw things over for us.

Btw attacks on people's grammar is just stupid. Doesn't give you any points .
And i don't think that he ever attacked your intelligence or you eduaction, you must be insecure.

[[ÄK]LËGÖLÄS]

Originally posted by GreatWyrm of Babylon@Sep 12 2003, 11:42 PM I am not outraged because their is always a party line, it is always ficticious and it often contains errors. It does not matter if you are a dictater or a president, the only difference is who you have to lie to. The dictator has to do certain things to stay in power. He can only start a war with so big a country, and he can only spend as much as he can replace from the labor of his slaves. He has to have support from powerful allies and he has to convince them that they are getting their moneys worth, so he has to lie to them to keep them from destroying the country, since their greed will topple the country if left unchecked. The president is in a simular situation. Less is required from him by those supporters because they also have to compete with rival factions, but he also has to consider the morale of the people, and that other party is happy to exaggerate any mistake. Therefore honesty is right out of the question, becuase it is much easier to maintain a good simple lie, than to wait for the first mistake with the truth to destroy your reputation. This is simply the nature of any complex government. Any fool that thinks an honest man could possibly be put in a position of power should not be in politics, but do not worry they seldom last long enough to do any damage!!! Honor is a luxery that those in power cannot afford. A good ruler is one that knows this and is selective in his honesty, a bad ruler is one that tries to maintain his honor, because he is broken and corrupted in due course.

and you condone this machavalein dictatorship?
Sounds like we need to overthorw the whole system, if that's the way things really work.

[Jay]

I totally agree that there is a lack of critical voices and so called outrage.
And I think the origin of this disinterest is the fact that the people have everything they need (excuse this general statement, you get what I mean): a TV, car, AC, import beer, fashion magazines...

And I think the best part of the whole thing is that noone laughs at what kind of utter bs Bush tells to the public in his speeches. Noone ever laughs at the fact, that they analyse and report if George Bush drank alcohol in his youth or how long Al Gore kissed is wife in public after elections.... 0_o

[GreatWyrm of Babylon]

Legolas
#1 I never attacked anyones grammar, I even made a few grammatical errors in that post (thier for there, and managed to switch a couple of letters in because). I attacked the validity of resorting to personal insults, I do not now why FedFem took it as a grammatical attack.

#2 If you think that it is just American government that has to operate on those premises, you need to go study some history. The real thing, not something watered down so not to scare children...

[[ÄK]LËGÖLÄS]

Originally posted by GreatWyrm of Babylon@Sep 14 2003, 10:16 AM Legolas #1 I never attacked anyones grammar, I even made a few grammatical errors in that post (thier for there, and managed to switch a couple of letters in because). I attacked the validity of resorting to personal insults, I do not now why FedFem took it as a grammatical attack. #2 If you think that it is just American government that has to operate on those premises, you need to go study some history. The real thing, not something watered down so not to scare children...

well i'm a history major. So i think i know a few things.
I don't think the US is the only country that operates this way. I would like to think that we are an example of a work in "progress" and that our system is just gonna evolve into something better. But we are doing the exact opposite. This Gov't is turning tyrannical. And when i say "this" Gov't i don't just mean the Bush administration.

[GreatWyrm of Babylon]

Legolas
Ever consider population pressure? Once we had tribes until pressure forced us to change to city-states. City-states became Kingdoms, they became countries, and they may become something else. Same with government structures, the simple ones that worked in the past can no longer function. We have grown beyond them and need to find that next level...

[Anarchist Patriot]

Originally posted by RebelWithanAK@09-09-2003 09:12 PM This is why I have a daily time set aside to better get in touch with my rage... grrr... GRRR...

There is outrage. Its just that the media is doing its upmost to supress it.

I noticed immediately after 9/11, government sponsered censorship had reared its ugly head. I actually saw a news program where a professor of political science had been asked how the US had responed. He said that the US needs to resist its initial urge to go to war and look for a way to find justice without creating injustice. He went on to say that the government was trying to find scapegoats and engage in acts of tyrany against its own citizens. The program then immediately cut him off and went to a commercial.

The media only shows protesters engaging in acts of violence but will never show interviews with war protestors. It will never depict war protests as being peaceful, as in fact most protests had been.

What is shown instead are angry, molotov coctails in hand, fanatics.

I actually was a member of a message board (and suspect several others were as well) that was shut down because one member allegedly threatened the President of the US. Those of us who were members of the old Rage forum can remember this.

I also know a guy who owned a website who actually went to prison because it supposedly endorsed violence, though he denied advocating anything of the sort.

And the US is a free country?

[ColWTH]

"There is outrage. Its just that the media is doing its upmost to supress it."

That is quite a ridiculous comment! One can find this outrage ANYWHERE you want to find it. From mainstream US newpapers, to the BBC to any other news outlet.

What IS being ignored is the fact that the bulk of Iraqis are HAPPY that the US is there doing what it is doing!

Your question of "outrage" assumes your ideological bias is agreed with universally. It is not, I can assure you.

Oh, and I find it very hard to believe you know a guy who was arrested because of his web site.

[indierockboy]

the unfortunate fact is the media has become a centrally controlled device. the reason there is lesser outrage is because there are not enough outlets. with the current dismantling of the fcc, the number of fringe voices will continue to dwindle. if you have a viewpoint that opposes those of the media empire, good luck trying to get it aired or published.

[fedfem]

Originally posted by ColWTH@09-16-2003 01:31 AM What IS being ignored is the fact that the bulk of Iraqis are HAPPY that the US is there doing what it is doing! Your question of "outrage" assumes your ideological bias is agreed with universally. It is not, I can assure you. Oh, and I find it very hard to believe you know a guy who was arrested because of his web site.

I think you are wrong as far as the majority of Iraqis being happy. Do you have something to back that up?

I don't see how ideology has anything to do with being angry we were lied to. Innocent people died and will continue to because of these lies.

As far as someone being put in jail for a website...The kid who ran 'Raise the Fist" may disagree with you. Look it up.