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ColWTH · Sep 16, 2003, 04:27 am

O.K. so I looked it up (I had not heard of it before)

So what?

A snot nosed punk with no sense and no morals published bomb making techniques on an idiot's web site! Sounds like he got what he deserved to me. Seems like yelling fire in the proberbial crowded theater!

But you have ONE case here. To establish a trend you must see a few more than ONE case!

I have seen several articles and newstories saying that people in Iraq do not hate US soldiers by and large. Also, the current Zogby poll in Iraq shows the same thing. If all you read or watch is hogwash from the BBC or slanted news from places like the Nation Magazine all you will see is anti-American drivel.

My outrage is reserved for people like Dick Gephardt, Howard Dean, french politicians, Noam Chomsky and any general member of the "hate the USA above all" club.

fedfem · Sep 16, 2003, 08:16 am

I agree the majority of Iraqis do not "hate" the soldiers. That does not mean they are "Happy" as you stated. As far as taking a Poll in Iraq, hmm? I am sure they did not have a chance to ask those Iraqis without electricity, stuck in their homes, lying in hospitals, or wandering, searching the makeshift graves looking for relatives.

The website kid being prosecuted is silly. That would be like arresting Sean and shutting down Volconvo for you having a link in your signature to a bomb-making site.

RebelWithanAK · Sep 16, 2003, 01:41 pm

Well, we do have the Baghdad Blogger to go peruse, not to mention having Al Jazeera (nominally) as an arab CNN - which might help relieve the muddle and propoganda about the hearts and minds of the Iraqi people.

I think they're happy Saddam's gone, but they're unhappy that there are sabotage campaigns, an influx of terrorist attacks, a disturbance of public order from looting, and a shortage of electricity, gasoline, water, not to mention that none of them particularly like the US military hanging around any longer.

Patriot - That was a joke. Truth be told, I'm severely pissed off about the lack of response from the American public with the idiocy we've had happen in the last three years.

[ÄK]LËGÖLÄS · Sep 16, 2003, 07:30 pm

Quote:

Originally posted by Anarchist Patriot@09-16-2003 12:38 AM
There is outrage. Its just that the media is doing its upmost to supress it.

I noticed immediately after 9/11, government sponsered censorship had reared its ugly head. I actually saw a news program where a professor of political science had been asked how the US had responed. He said that the US needs to resist its initial urge to go to war and look for a way to find justice without creating injustice. He went on to say that the government was trying to find scapegoats and engage in acts of tyrany against its own citizens. The program then immediately cut him off and went to a commercial.

The media only shows protesters engaging in acts of violence but will never show interviews with war protestors. It will never depict war protests as being peaceful, as in fact most protests had been.

What is shown instead are angry, molotov coctails in hand, fanatics.

I actually was a member of a message board (and suspect several others were as well) that was shut down because one member allegedly threatened the President of the US. Those of us who were members of the old Rage forum can remember this.

I also know a guy who owned a website who actually went to prison because it supposedly endorsed violence, though he denied advocating anything of the sort.

And the US is a free country?

On that note....Can anyone tell me How and why the FUK our Gov't passed the Patriot ACT. And WTF does checking peoples reading history have to do with Al queda.

Humm are they gonna find who bought a copy of "Flying into Bulidings for Dummies" or maybe "idiots guide to hiding weapons of mass destruction"

ColWTH · Sep 17, 2003, 07:49 am

O.K., so youa re against the Patriot Act.

Why?

And don't give me over blown leftist rhetoric. Tell me specifically why.

fedfem · Sep 17, 2003, 08:27 am

The Patriot Act is Un-American. Many places have refused to implement it. The passing of it was a victory for terrorists. Like the Palmer and McCarthy atrocities, this too shall pass. Slowly but surely, Congress will repeal.

Here is a link that I am sure you will find acceptable.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,93141,00.html

rmnunez · Sep 18, 2003, 02:23 am

Soros:

>"You passed the U.S.A. Patriot Act without proper discussion," Soros said in a recent interview with PBS. "Anyone who opposed it was accused of giving aid and comfort to the terrorists. I think we've gone off the rail in this country. Lawmakers didn't even get a copy of the bill. They couldn't even read it before it was passed."

Section 8 · Sep 24, 2003, 12:34 am

The most disturbing thing is that the media is MIA on this one. Oh well I've come to expect that. Another wonderful example of how the system works.

Have Fun
Shalom

fedfem · Sep 24, 2003, 12:01 pm

Quote:

Originally posted by Section 8@09-24-2003 12:34 AM
The most disturbing thing is that the media is MIA on this one. Oh well I've come to expect that. Another wonderful example of how the system works.

Have Fun
Shalom

Unfortunately, the Media is the first victim of this act. Now that the campaigning for President is under way, the information is coming through in the mainstream- albeit slowly. The Anthrax mailings did the job of quieting opposition and media for a while. Even in Congress, Democrats were fearful and vulnerable. Thinking back, only one Senator dared to accuse and stand without fear--Paul Wellstone--and he met with demise. Matter of fact..Around the world, those with credibility who have spoken out are meeting their deaths. Bush said in a speech to the UN "..there is no neutrality". The line has been drawn. Not a good move.

[ÄK]LËGÖLÄS · Sep 24, 2003, 03:12 pm

Quote:

Originally posted by fedfem+09-24-2003 12:01 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (fedfem @ 09-24-2003 12:01 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Section 8@09-24-2003 12:34 AM
The most disturbing thing is that the media is MIA on this one. Oh well I've come to expect that. Another wonderful example of how the system works.

Have Fun
Shalom

Unfortunately, the Media is the first victim of this act. Now that the campaigning for President is under way, the information is coming through in the mainstream- albeit slowly. The Anthrax mailings did the job of quieting opposition and media for a while. Even in Congress, Democrats were fearful and vulnerable. Thinking back, only one Senator dared to accuse and stand without fear--Paul Wellstone--and he met with demise. Matter of fact..Around the world, those with credibility who have spoken out are meeting their deaths. Bush said in a speech to the UN "..there is no neutrality". The line has been drawn. Not a good move. [/b][/quote]
I'm interested in Paul wellstone what exactly did he do to show his opposition.
I too thought his death was suspicious. can you give evidence of people who have gotten killed for speaking out.

I'm surprised Michael moore is still alive

indierockboy · Sep 24, 2003, 06:00 pm

michael moore is still alive because he's a propaghandist who constantly contorts the facts. anyone with half a brain knows not to trust what he says. that's why he's not considered a threat.

GreatWyrm of Babylon · Sep 27, 2003, 10:16 am

Come on people, the concept that the media would 'suppress' controversy is ludicrous. Controversy is what puts food on their table. Are you trying to claim that the media is both politically right and modest with their profits? That proves that either the right is modest with profits, or that your assumption is total BS.

At least assert something that stands up to simple logic.

[ÄK]LËGÖLÄS · Sep 27, 2003, 08:05 pm

Quote:

Originally posted by indierockboy@09-24-2003 06:00 PM
michael moore is still alive because he's a propaghandist who constantly contorts the facts. anyone with half a brain knows not to trust what he says. that's why he's not considered a threat.

I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss Michael Moore like that.

If you think Bowling For columbine rasied some eyebrows. wait till you see his film on 9-11..... I really think he's gonna die

RebelWithanAK · Sep 27, 2003, 09:20 pm

Nobody's gonna shoot Michael Moore.

There is a surpression of controversy in the media, because most of the controversial topics are far too complicated to be given in 3 minute doses by loud syndicated pundits. That, and when the media does have a bias (and you can't tell me Rupert Murdoch is not the devil incarnate), the differing view is usually minimized in content and exposure.

Scribbler1 · Nov 14, 2003, 01:39 am

<blockquote>Quote:<hr size="1" />Originally Posted by ([ÄK)
LËGÖLÄS,]I don't think the US is the only country that operates this way. I would like to think that we are an example of a work in "progress" and that our system is just gonna evolve into something better. But we are doing the exact opposite. This Gov't is turning tyrannical. And when i say "this" Gov't i don't just mean the Bush administration.<hr size="1" /></blockquote>

Amen to that. The attempt to control the people has been around a long time, IMO. But the problem was always how to get the apathetic, complacent sheep to unify behind the government and blindly trust its actions and motives. This has always been difficult but I think Bush's handlers have found a way. Once we had a major terror attack on our soil, a large percentage of the people felt united, at least in their anger and fear of terrorism in our own safe country. Now you have the raw material. The next logical step is to basically tell the UN to go to hell, and in doing so, alienate a large number of our allies by loudly proclaiming that WE are the only superpower and WE know how to fix this mess, thereby creating an "us vs. them" mentality. Then get the president to convince a lot of the more vocal rams among the sheep to believe " you are with us or with the terrorists" and the rest of the sheep will follow. Many of the ones who DON'T follow, of course, are afraid to be labeled unpatriotic so they keep their mouths shut.

All of the other labels the far right gave the liberals didn't work that well, until now. To condition even some people you KNOW to think you are anti-American if you disagree (even a little) with the administration is a stroke of pure evil genius worthy of a radical Muslim "cleric".

In all honesty, I am afraid of almost nothing, but it terrifies me to think we could end up like a bunch of Nazis before I die. I'm scared to death of being the old man on the porch, in the rocking chair saying things like "I remember when people once had a say in how they were governed", or "I remember we used to be able to criticize our government".

Scribbler1 · Nov 14, 2003, 01:49 am

<blockquote>Quote:<hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (Anarchist Patriot,)

There is outrage. Its just that the media is doing its upmost to supress it.

I actually was a member of a message board (and suspect several others were as well) that was shut down because one member allegedly threatened the President of the US. Those of us who were members of the old Rage forum can remember this.
I also know a guy who owned a website who actually went to prison because it supposedly endorsed violence, though he denied advocating anything of the sort.

And the US is a free country?<hr size="1" /></blockquote>

I read a news article some months ago that reported a man in China was arrested and jailed because he owned a website where someone on it criticized the government. It wasn't him who said anything, but I suppose the writer had a screen name and was harder to trace.

When our government wanted to recruit regular citizens (like Postal Carriers and UPS drivers to "patriotically" report to the government anything suspicious they noticed in the houses they went to, it told me there might not be any stopping of THIS tide!

Watch out! In the not too distant future, websites like this one will either be history, or be underground. The tracking service I use showed me my site was visited by someone from a government agency twice, and there's nobody posting on it but ME!

Paavo · Nov 14, 2003, 05:52 am

<blockquote>Quote:<hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (Scribbler1,)
<blockquote>Quote:<hr size="1" />Originally Posted by ([ÄK)
LËGÖLÄS,]I don't think the US is the only country that operates this way. I would like to think that we are an example of a work in "progress" and that our system is just gonna evolve into something better. But we are doing the exact opposite. This Gov't is turning tyrannical. And when i say "this" Gov't i don't just mean the Bush administration.<hr size="1" /></blockquote>

Amen to that. The attempt to control the people has been around a long time, IMO. But the problem was always how to get the apathetic, complacent sheep to unify behind the government and blindly trust its actions and motives. This has always been difficult but I think Bush's handlers have found a way. Once we had a major terror attack on our soil, a large percentage of the people felt united, at least in their anger and fear of terrorism in our own safe country. Now you have the raw material. The next logical step is to basically tell the UN to go to hell, and in doing so, alienate a large number of our allies by loudly proclaiming that WE are the only superpower and WE know how to fix this mess, thereby creating an "us vs. them" mentality. Then get the president to convince a lot of the more vocal rams among the sheep to believe " you are with us or with the terrorists" and the rest of the sheep will follow. Many of the ones who DON'T follow, of course, are afraid to be labeled unpatriotic so they keep their mouths shut.

All of the other labels the far right gave the liberals didn't work that well, until now. To condition even some people you KNOW to think you are anti-American if you disagree (even a little) with the administration is a stroke of pure evil genius worthy of a radical Muslim "cleric".

In all honesty, I am afraid of almost nothing, but it terrifies me to think we could end up like a bunch of Nazis before I die. I'm scared to death of being the old man on the porch, in the rocking chair saying things like "I remember when people once had a say in how they were governed", or "I remember we used to be able to criticize our government".<hr size="1" /></blockquote>

This is a good diagnose of the speeches Mr Bush likes to make and how they're formed to have a brainwashing effect.
http://bushflash.com/wmf/gwb1984.mp3 <--- :D

indierockboy · Nov 14, 2003, 02:25 pm

<blockquote>Quote:<hr size="1" />Originally Posted by ([ÄK)
LËGÖLÄS,]
I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss Michael Moore like that.

If you think Bowling For columbine rasied some eyebrows. wait till you see his film on 9-11..... I really think he's gonna die<hr size="1" /></blockquote>

that was a sarcastic take on the spin on micheal more. he won't be assassinated because his character already has been.

[ÄK]LËGÖLÄS · Nov 14, 2003, 02:33 pm

<blockquote>Quote:<hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (indierockboy,)
<blockquote>Quote:<hr size="1" />Originally Posted by ([ÄK)
LËGÖLÄS,]
I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss Michael Moore like that.

If you think Bowling For columbine rasied some eyebrows. wait till you see his film on 9-11..... I really think he's gonna die<hr size="1" /></blockquote>

that was a sarcastic take on the spin on micheal more. he won't be assassinated because his character already has been.<hr size="1" /></blockquote>

nah..the damage isn't as bad as you think
alot of people still trust what he has to say

Waychel · Nov 21, 2003, 01:19 am

IMO, people place too much relevance upon who is president when "bad things" happen. Contrary to popular belief, the current state of affairs in your country have less to do with who is president at the time than you would think. -_-;

I hate Bush too, but I still think people blame our actions and affairs too much on him/his administration. IMO war with Iraq was inevitable.

Sep 16, 2003, 01:41 pm	#23 (permalink) (top)
RebelWithanAK Igneous Magma Location: New York City Posts: 739	Well, we do have the Baghdad Blogger to go peruse, not to mention having Al Jazeera (nominally) as an arab CNN - which might help relieve the muddle and propoganda about the hearts and minds of the Iraqi people. I think they're happy Saddam's gone, but they're unhappy that there are sabotage campaigns, an influx of terrorist attacks, a disturbance of public order from looting, and a shortage of electricity, gasoline, water, not to mention that none of them particularly like the US military hanging around any longer. Patriot - That was a joke. Truth be told, I'm severely pissed off about the lack of response from the American public with the idiocy we've had happen in the last three years. . . . whenever any government becomes destructive to these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to institute a new government, laying its foundations on such principles and organizing its powers in such forms as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness.

Sep 18, 2003, 02:23 am	#27 (permalink) (top)
rmnunez Volcanic Erupter Location: Mexico City Posts: 4,772	Soros: >"You passed the U.S.A. Patriot Act without proper discussion," Soros said in a recent interview with PBS. "Anyone who opposed it was accused of giving aid and comfort to the terrorists. I think we've gone off the rail in this country. Lawmakers didn't even get a copy of the bill. They couldn't even read it before it was passed." Et semel emissum volat irrevocabile verbum. Raúl M. Núñez Sheriff

Sep 24, 2003, 06:00 pm	#31 (permalink) (top)
indierockboy Molten Ash Location: ontario canada Posts: 104	michael moore is still alive because he's a propaghandist who constantly contorts the facts. anyone with half a brain knows not to trust what he says. that's why he's not considered a threat. http://www.autophobic.net/tmesis/sig.gif

Sep 27, 2003, 10:16 am	#32 (permalink) (top)
GreatWyrm of Babylon Avatar of Tiamut Location: Dallas, Texas (Irving) Posts: 848	Come on people, the concept that the media would 'suppress' controversy is ludicrous. Controversy is what puts food on their table. Are you trying to claim that the media is both politically right and modest with their profits? That proves that either the right is modest with profits, or that your assumption is total BS. At least assert something that stands up to simple logic. Logical Fallicies Link

Sep 27, 2003, 09:20 pm	#34 (permalink) (top)
RebelWithanAK Igneous Magma Location: New York City Posts: 739	Nobody's gonna shoot Michael Moore. There is a surpression of controversy in the media, because most of the controversial topics are far too complicated to be given in 3 minute doses by loud syndicated pundits. That, and when the media does have a bias (and you can't tell me Rupert Murdoch is not the devil incarnate), the differing view is usually minimized in content and exposure. . . . whenever any government becomes destructive to these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to institute a new government, laying its foundations on such principles and organizing its powers in such forms as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness.

Sep 16, 2003, 04:27 am	#21 (permalink) (top)
ColWTH Sedimentary Rock Posts: 22	O.K. so I looked it up (I had not heard of it before) So what? A snot nosed punk with no sense and no morals published bomb making techniques on an idiot's web site! Sounds like he got what he deserved to me. Seems like yelling fire in the proberbial crowded theater! But you have ONE case here. To establish a trend you must see a few more than ONE case! I have seen several articles and newstories saying that people in Iraq do not hate US soldiers by and large. Also, the current Zogby poll in Iraq shows the same thing. If all you read or watch is hogwash from the BBC or slanted news from places like the Nation Magazine all you will see is anti-American drivel. My outrage is reserved for people like Dick Gephardt, Howard Dean, french politicians, Noam Chomsky and any general member of the "hate the USA above all" club.

Sep 16, 2003, 08:16 am	#22 (permalink) (top)
fedfem Igneous Magma Location: Northeastern, USA Posts: 606	I agree the majority of Iraqis do not "hate" the soldiers. That does not mean they are "Happy" as you stated. As far as taking a Poll in Iraq, hmm? I am sure they did not have a chance to ask those Iraqis without electricity, stuck in their homes, lying in hospitals, or wandering, searching the makeshift graves looking for relatives. The website kid being prosecuted is silly. That would be like arresting Sean and shutting down Volconvo for you having a link in your signature to a bomb-making site.

Sep 17, 2003, 07:49 am	#25 (permalink) (top)
ColWTH Sedimentary Rock Posts: 22	O.K., so youa re against the Patriot Act. Why? And don't give me over blown leftist rhetoric. Tell me specifically why.

Sep 17, 2003, 08:27 am	#26 (permalink) (top)
fedfem Igneous Magma Location: Northeastern, USA Posts: 606	The Patriot Act is Un-American. Many places have refused to implement it. The passing of it was a victory for terrorists. Like the Palmer and McCarthy atrocities, this too shall pass. Slowly but surely, Congress will repeal. Here is a link that I am sure you will find acceptable. http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,93141,00.html

Sep 24, 2003, 12:34 am	#28 (permalink) (top)
Section 8 Hot Lava Location: Spokane, WA Posts: 782	The most disturbing thing is that the media is MIA on this one. Oh well I've come to expect that. Another wonderful example of how the system works. Have Fun Shalom

Nov 14, 2003, 01:39 am	#35 (permalink) (top)
Scribbler1 Skeptical Patriot Posts: 7,746	</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by ([ÄK) LËGÖLÄS,]I don't think the US is the only country that operates this way. I would like to think that we are an example of a work in "progress" and that our system is just gonna evolve into something better. But we are doing the exact opposite. This Gov't is turning tyrannical. And when i say "this" Gov't i don't just mean the Bush administration.<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'> Amen to that. The attempt to control the people has been around a long time, IMO. But the problem was always how to get the apathetic, complacent sheep to unify behind the government and blindly trust its actions and motives. This has always been difficult but I think Bush's handlers have found a way. Once we had a major terror attack on our soil, a large percentage of the people felt united, at least in their anger and fear of terrorism in our own safe country. Now you have the raw material. The next logical step is to basically tell the UN to go to hell, and in doing so, alienate a large number of our allies by loudly proclaiming that WE are the only superpower and WE know how to fix this mess, thereby creating an "us vs. them" mentality. Then get the president to convince a lot of the more vocal rams among the sheep to believe " you are with us or with the terrorists" and the rest of the sheep will follow. Many of the ones who DON'T follow, of course, are afraid to be labeled unpatriotic so they keep their mouths shut. All of the other labels the far right gave the liberals didn't work that well, until now. To condition even some people you KNOW to think you are anti-American if you disagree (even a little) with the administration is a stroke of pure evil genius worthy of a radical Muslim "cleric". In all honesty, I am afraid of almost nothing, but it terrifies me to think we could end up like a bunch of Nazis before I die. I'm scared to death of being the old man on the porch, in the rocking chair saying things like "I remember when people once had a say in how they were governed", or "I remember we used to be able to criticize our government". Not a day goes by that I don't see something that reinforces my belief that people are idiots.

Nov 14, 2003, 01:49 am	#36 (permalink) (top)
Scribbler1 Skeptical Patriot Posts: 7,746	</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (Anarchist Patriot,) There is outrage. Its just that the media is doing its upmost to supress it. I actually was a member of a message board (and suspect several others were as well) that was shut down because one member allegedly threatened the President of the US. Those of us who were members of the old Rage forum can remember this. I also know a guy who owned a website who actually went to prison because it supposedly endorsed violence, though he denied advocating anything of the sort. And the US is a free country?<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'> I read a news article some months ago that reported a man in China was arrested and jailed because he owned a website where someone on it criticized the government. It wasn't him who said anything, but I suppose the writer had a screen name and was harder to trace. When our government wanted to recruit regular citizens (like Postal Carriers and UPS drivers to "patriotically" report to the government anything suspicious they noticed in the houses they went to, it told me there might not be any stopping of THIS tide! Watch out! In the not too distant future, websites like this one will either be history, or be underground. The tracking service I use showed me my site was visited by someone from a government agency twice, and there's nobody posting on it but ME! Not a day goes by that I don't see something that reinforces my belief that people are idiots.

Nov 14, 2003, 05:52 am	#37 (permalink) (top)
Paavo Location: Finland Posts: 712	</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (Scribbler1,) </span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by ([ÄK) LËGÖLÄS,]I don't think the US is the only country that operates this way. I would like to think that we are an example of a work in "progress" and that our system is just gonna evolve into something better. But we are doing the exact opposite. This Gov't is turning tyrannical. And when i say "this" Gov't i don't just mean the Bush administration.<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'> Amen to that. The attempt to control the people has been around a long time, IMO. But the problem was always how to get the apathetic, complacent sheep to unify behind the government and blindly trust its actions and motives. This has always been difficult but I think Bush's handlers have found a way. Once we had a major terror attack on our soil, a large percentage of the people felt united, at least in their anger and fear of terrorism in our own safe country. Now you have the raw material. The next logical step is to basically tell the UN to go to hell, and in doing so, alienate a large number of our allies by loudly proclaiming that WE are the only superpower and WE know how to fix this mess, thereby creating an "us vs. them" mentality. Then get the president to convince a lot of the more vocal rams among the sheep to believe " you are with us or with the terrorists" and the rest of the sheep will follow. Many of the ones who DON'T follow, of course, are afraid to be labeled unpatriotic so they keep their mouths shut. All of the other labels the far right gave the liberals didn't work that well, until now. To condition even some people you KNOW to think you are anti-American if you disagree (even a little) with the administration is a stroke of pure evil genius worthy of a radical Muslim "cleric". In all honesty, I am afraid of almost nothing, but it terrifies me to think we could end up like a bunch of Nazis before I die. I'm scared to death of being the old man on the porch, in the rocking chair saying things like "I remember when people once had a say in how they were governed", or "I remember we used to be able to criticize our government".<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'> This is a good diagnose of the speeches Mr Bush likes to make and how they're formed to have a brainwashing effect. http://bushflash.com/wmf/gwb1984.mp3 <--- :D

Nov 14, 2003, 02:25 pm	#38 (permalink) (top)
indierockboy Molten Ash Location: ontario canada Posts: 104	</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by ([ÄK) LËGÖLÄS,] I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss Michael Moore like that. If you think Bowling For columbine rasied some eyebrows. wait till you see his film on 9-11..... I really think he's gonna die<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'> that was a sarcastic take on the spin on micheal more. he won't be assassinated because his character already has been. http://www.autophobic.net/tmesis/sig.gif

Nov 14, 2003, 02:33 pm	#39 (permalink) (top)
[ÄK]LËGÖLÄS Molten Ash Location: Boston Posts: 40	</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (indierockboy,) </span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by ([ÄK) LËGÖLÄS,] I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss Michael Moore like that. If you think Bowling For columbine rasied some eyebrows. wait till you see his film on 9-11..... I really think he's gonna die<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'> that was a sarcastic take on the spin on micheal more. he won't be assassinated because his character already has been.<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'> nah..the damage isn't as bad as you think alot of people still trust what he has to say

Nov 21, 2003, 01:19 am	#40 (permalink) (top)
Waychel Supercalifragilistic Posts: 431	IMO, people place too much relevance upon who is president when "bad things" happen. Contrary to popular belief, the current state of affairs in your country have less to do with who is president at the time than you would think. -_-; I hate Bush too, but I still think people blame our actions and affairs too much on him/his administration. IMO war with Iraq was inevitable. Float like a butterfly, sting like a bee.