Vote 'no' on Bolton?

[m3talsmith_redu]

Here's one good reason to vote 'no': http://www.btcnews.com/btcnews/index.php?p=966

[Lou Minotti]

I've got my fingers crossed!!!

[Logjam]

Yeah, the Left wants a UN rep who will roll over for the UN guys who do nothing but work to thwart American efforts.

The UN is not pro-American, and we need a guy who will stand up for us and our interests.

Libs want a guy who will cowtow to these idiots. "Be nice to those who hate us and they'll treat us nicer", they think.

Well, the left is wrong.......as usual.

We need a UN rep who will kick ass and take names. Boulton is just the guy to do it.

And look, no matter who the President appoints the Libs/Demos will not support him. The Demos supporting NOTHINK that Bush supports. Demos will do all that they can to discredit the US and Bush; they put the well being of their party ahead of the well being of our country.

[Lou Minotti]

Bolton is Trotskyite Ameri-trash. I would rather send NO ONE then send that ass clown.

The Demos supporting NOTHINK that Bush supports.

Wow, you just COMPLETELY discredited yourself. The Dems should love Bush seeing as he's pushed through everything Clinton couldn't.

[RickSp]

I have never understood why anyone with half a brain would support a promoting a thug like Bolton as a diplomat. The man is a liar and bully on his good days, and he doesn't seem to have many of those. Better to be honest than to pull out of the UN than to send a rabid pit bull. Anyone who honestly thinks that Bolton will reform the UN is seriously delusional.

[m3talsmith_redu]

Quote by: Logjam Yeah, the Left wants a UN rep who will roll over for the UN guys who do nothing but work to thwart American efforts. The UN is not pro-American, and we need a guy who will stand up for us and our interests. Libs want a guy who will cowtow to these idiots. "Be nice to those who hate us and they'll treat us nicer", they think. Well, the left is wrong.......as usual. We need a UN rep who will kick ass and take names. Boulton is just the guy to do it. And look, no matter who the President appoints the Libs/Demos will not support him. The Demos supporting NOTHINK that Bush supports. Demos will do all that they can to discredit the US and Bush; they put the well being of their party ahead of the well being of our country.

I'm glad I'm neither left nor right; I'm Libertarian. So I have escaped your strawman .

But seriously, I still don't know much about the guy, and from all reports and data I have seen, like the link posted, I don't like him. With Bush's attitude towards the UN and UN policy during pre-war efforts, I'm inclined to think Bolton thinks like Bush; which I could not support.

So I say 'no' to him.

[Logjam]

Quote by: Lou Minotti Bolton is Trotskyite Ameri-trash. I would rather send NO ONE then send that ass clown. Wow, you just COMPLETELY discredited yourself. The Dems should love Bush seeing as he's pushed through everything Clinton couldn't.

Gosh, I don't recall writing the NOTHINK bit. Maybe I did, but it doesn't make much sense does it?

I think I had a brain cramp.

[Logjam]

Quote by: m3talsmith_redu I'm glad I'm neither left nor right; I'm Libertarian. So I have escaped your strawman . But seriously, I still don't know much about the guy, and from all reports and data I have seen, like the link posted, I don't like him. With Bush's attitude towards the UN and UN policy during pre-war efforts, I'm inclined to think Bolton thinks like Bush; which I could not support. So I say 'no' to him.

So you like to see a UN rep who will nuzzle up to the tyrants who run the UN? Whaaaaa? We need a hard nosed guy in there who will stick up to our interests. That's the kind of guy that Bush wants and apparently the kind of guy that Bolton is.

I'm tired of weak spined American Diplomats, like Warren Christopher and Madelyn (sp?) Albright. I want the UN to shake in their boots when our representative walks into the building. We've been played for the fool long enought in that corruption controlled hall of horrors.

[Logjam]

Quote by: m3talsmith_redu I'm glad I'm neither left nor right; I'm Libertarian. So I have escaped your strawman .

I've got a hot flash for you. If you vote Libertarian you are wasting your vote. Even worse, since Libertarians usually lean right you are taking votes from Republicans, which means that when a Libertarian votes for a Libertarian they are really voting for a Democrat.

[rhod01]

I hope he doesn't get the post.

[lsbskins1]

See, all this time I thought that the UN was an international organization who's mandate was to be a setting where the international community could come together and work out conflicts without having to go to war whenever possible. How could I have been so misinformed? Was I asleep in History class when they taught us that the UN was developed to foster American interests throughout the world and that the job of the American UN rep was to "kick ass and take names"? I mean, I don't remember that lesson at all.

[righthand]

Quote by: RickSp I have never understood why anyone with half a brain would support a promoting a thug like Bolton as a diplomat. The man is a liar and bully on his good days, and he doesn't seem to have many of those. Better to be honest than to pull out of the UN than to send a rabid pit bull. Anyone who honestly thinks that Bolton will reform the UN is seriously delusional.

There are a number of points to be understood.

First, it doesn't matter who the candidate is. HE MUST SUCCEED. Or else the whole pile of cards come tumbling down. The whole credibility of the administration is dependant on their choice succeeding. When they succeed there will be less resistance next time. If they resist then It's that BACKBONE thing I've spoken of in threads. This point more than any other highlights the corruptness of the system.

Secondly, past endeavours must be REWARDED. Each cog must move up a gear in line with all the other cogs. He's the last in line. The reason is that they must be kept QUITE. A disgruntled conspirator is difficult to control. Their loyalty must be paid for. You must keep thinking MAFIA.

Third, think of POPE. It doesn't matter if George is capable of an original thought or not. The perception of omniscience must be preserved. (Now you know why he was in Rome.)The notion that God speaks to him in making his choices is a large part of it. He may well believe this himself. I don't know who's pulling his chain, but someone with his mind is easily manipulated. It's likely that it's Cheney.

Fourth, it's the COKE thing. American business and administration does not believe in the collegiate system. The best example of it not working was when Coca Cola's boss decided one day that the old formula was out and his new one was in. It's apt that an expression that highlights this has Emperor in it, as in "the Emperor has no clothes." I'm sure this expression is baned in US boardrooms. "El Duce has spoken" is more common. A glaring example of this going wrong is see in the Downing Street Minutes. Americans would not notice, but for once, the British cabinet was railroaded into signing on for war with NO debate. Claire Short attempted to speak but was muzzled. Blair will not attempt that ever again on a cabinet. Does this need more detail?

Fifth, it's the ROLLOVER thing. When an obvious bully gets the top diplomatic job, what message does that send out to the world. That you would like to be friends? You must be joking. It says WE ARE BULLYS, WE LOVE IT and WE DON'T CARE WHO KNOWS IT. Unlike Khrushchev and the shoe incident, Bolton won't even have to take his off. The UN will rollover and do what BULLY BOLTON wants, until one day he will go to far. The whole of the UN will unite against him and the UN will stop. Bolton will either get promoted or develop health problems, leaving behind a UNITED UNITED NATIONS!!!

Quote by: Claire Short Secretary of State for International Development. Her Resignation Statement...."and our Attorney General, belatedly but very firmly, said there was legal authority for the use of force. And because the Opposition was voting with the Government the conflict was unavoidable. I decided I should not weaken the Government at that time and should agree to the Prime Minister's request to stay and lead the UK humanitarian and reconstruction effort. However, the problem now is that the mistakes that were made in the period leading up to the conflict are being repeated in the post-conflict situation." http://www.globalpolicy.org/security...esignation.htm

[Savant]

Naturally it will be difficult to name a candidate for an organization after demonizing that same organization for political gain. Hopefully there will be repercussions from this that will discourage future politicians from targeting organizations they will eventually be asked to participate in.

But that would be smart...

[m3talsmith_redu]

Quote by: Logjam So you like to see a UN rep who will nuzzle up to the tyrants who run the UN? Whaaaaa? We need a hard nosed guy in there who will stick up to our interests. That's the kind of guy that Bush wants and apparently the kind of guy that Bolton is. I'm tired of weak spined American Diplomats, like Warren Christopher and Madelyn (sp?) Albright. I want the UN to shake in their boots when our representative walks into the building. We've been played for the fool long enought in that corruption controlled hall of horrors.

Actually I'd prefer us out of the UN. We provide the largest amount of funds, take on the lions share of armed force, and are far too entangled with the ugliest parts of globalism. I'd prefer to do without that.

[righthand]

Quote by: m3talsmith_redu Actually I'd prefer us out of the UN. We provide the largest amount of funds, take on the lions share of armed force, and are far too entangled with the ugliest parts of globalism. I'd prefer to do without that.

I don't know what I'm talking about. I know it but do you. Maybe it's some big secret but will you tell me what it is you're talking about.

For months now I've being hearing a litany of negativity about the UN. I have seen nothing to indicate what it is that your talking about. Then it struck that this reminded me so much of so many other truths of this administration. Repeat a lie often enough and it becomes a 'truth'. By now anyone who accepts pronouncements of this administration should come under either brain dead or else religious believer. So if this anti-UN is anything more than an 'urban myth' would you kindly enlighten me, but I require evidence. I'm not interested in dishonest officials. The US has enough dishonest politicians to fill the ten floors that Bolton would eliminate.

[liberal slayer]

Quote by: rhod01 I hope he doesn't get the post.

Why not? The UN (Useless Nations) needs a swift kick in the pants. They are bigger crooks then the mob.

[Sonart]

Quote by: m3talsmith We ... take on the lions share of armed force,

The hell we do. We don't provide ANY share of UN armed forces, since we refuse to allow U.S. military assets to be commanded by anyone other than the U.S. military. We allow U.S. forces to cooperate with UN forces only when it suits us, not when it suits the UN. When's the last time you saw Americans wearing Blue helmets?

As to providing the largest amounts of funds, actually we fail to provide the largest amounts of funds, thus making the UN even more incapable.

Thank you, Jesse Helms.

and are far too entangled with the ugliest parts of globalism.

Like what? What "ugliest parts" of globalism is the U.S. entangled in through the United Nations?
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[righthand]

Quote by: righthand I don't know what I'm talking about. I know it but do you. Maybe it's some big secret but will you tell me what it is you're talking about.For months now I've being hearing a litany of negativity about the UN. I have seen nothing to indicate what it is that your talking about. Then it struck that this reminded me so much of so many other truths of this administration. Repeat a lie often enough and it becomes a 'truth'. By now anyone who accepts pronouncements of this administration should come under either brain dead or else religious believer. So if this anti-UN is anything more than an 'urban myth' would you kindly enlighten me, but I require evidence. I'm not interested in dishonest officials. The US has enough dishonest politicians to fill the ten floors that Bolton would eliminate.

I was very clear. Maybe it's true about the UN, but it would be unique if the administration was telling the truth on this when everything else has been false. No matter how often you repeat a lie it is still a lie.

Quote by: liberal slayer Why not? The UN (Useless Nations) needs a swift kick in the pants. They are bigger crooks then the mob.

Yes, there certainly bigger crooks outside the UN building. Without liabling individuals will you please supply some facts to back up your notions or else keep your emotional claptrap to impress your friends. I don't know the answer but you are certainly not contributing anything with your one liners. See how there are facts in...

Quote by: Sonart We don't provide ANY share of UN armed forces, since we refuse to allow U.S. military assets to be commanded by anyone other than the U.S. military. We allow U.S. forces to cooperate with UN forces only when it suits us, not when it suits the UN. When's the last time you saw Americans wearing Blue helmets? As to providing the largest amounts of funds, actually we fail to provide the largest amounts of funds, thus making the UN even more incapable.

Now check out these videos http://www.mwcnews.net/media/Video/Bolton.ram or
http://www.mwcnews.net/media/Video/Bolton.wmv
before you tell me what performance Bolton is capable of.

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[northtexan]

Quote by: Logjam I've got a hot flash for you. If you vote Libertarian you are wasting your vote. Even worse, since Libertarians usually lean right you are taking votes from Republicans, which means that when a Libertarian votes for a Libertarian they are really voting for a Democrat.

Yeah, sure, it's the same thing that some Democrats say about Greens: "you're stealing our votes." What some party hacks don't seem to understand is that they're OUR VOTES. Now, true, I was upset that Dubya was able to steal the 2000 Election from Gore when without the Nader vote, the election would have been out of reach of the GOP fix as it then existed. But on Democratic web sites, I defended the right of Greens to field their own candidates, of any third parties to do so. How we will ever break out of our 'two party system' I don't know; but I do know that we need to do so.

[oranged]

Quote by: Logjam Yeah, the Left wants a UN rep who will roll over for the UN guys who do nothing but work to thwart American efforts.

"American Efforts" (Bush Adminastration Conpirator efforts):
1. Destroy the American election system so that some one outside of our conspiracy can't become president. Status: Complete
2. Slowy Gain military Control of the Middle East, and political control of Great Brittian. Status: In process
3. Use this control to gain more terrirory across the planet. Status: In preperation.
4. When the world belongs to America, Complete the final solution: exterminate all liberals and muslums from the face of the earth. Status: In preperation.

Thwarting "American Efforts" is excactly what the UN and much of the rest of the planet wants to do.