Vote 'no' on Bolton?

[righthand]

Quote by: oranged "American Efforts" (Bush Administration Conspirator efforts): 1. Destroy the American election system so that some one outside of our conspiracy can't become president. Status: Complete 2. Slowly Gain military Control of the Middle East, and political control of Great Brittain. Status: In process 3. Use this control to gain more territory across the planet. Status: In preparation. 4. When the world belongs to America, Complete the final solution: exterminate all liberals and muslims from the face of the earth. Status: In preparation. Thwarting "American Efforts" is exactly what the UN and much of the rest of the planet wants to do.

You are joking, aren't you. I had to read it three times. This is Swedish humour, is it? But. please, do not be encouraging with any ideas.
1. Was pretty much in tatters before george. They've just refined it so they cannot lose with these paper trail-less voting machines.
2 It's only Blair and I dont think another UK politician will repeat his mistake. Blair's slogan in history will be 'the best that could have been, but no.' I dont think they would fancy another dose of the Gorgeous George Galloway in the US.
3. Most reasonable Americans would be quite content with what they have, maybe a little less - like Iraq less.
4. No, they're their own worst enemy. If they got close to that, they would probably turn on each other. Do you watch their TV.

[righthand]

m3talsmith_redu Actually I'd prefer us out of the UN. We provide the largest amount of funds, take on the lions share of armed force, and are far too entangled with the ugliest parts of globalism. I'd prefer to do without that. liberal slayer righthand I was very clear. Maybe it's true about the UN, but it would be unique if the administration was telling the truth on this when everything else has been false. No matter how often you repeat a lie it is still a lie. Yes, there certainly bigger crooks outside the UN building. Without libeling individuals will you please supply some facts to back up your notions or else keep your emotional claptrap to impress your friends. I don't know the answer but you are certainly not contributing anything with your one liners. ...

Since you failed to come up with and evidence, I did some work with data supplied by Sonart.

[center]US vs. Total Debt to the UN: 2005
Graph of US vs. Total Debt to the UN
Tables 1996 - 2005 [/center]

The following table illustrates the contributions owed to the UN by all member states. Debts to the UN are shown on a per month basis for 2005. The table further illustrates the contributions owed by the US and compares the US debt to the rest of the member states as a percentage.

Note: Capital Master Plan was introduced in 2003.

Table notes: Sums in $US millions, rounded to the nearest million



Source: UN Documents

The following graph illustrates the total debt of all member states to the UN as well as the total debt of the US. As the US continues not to pay UN contributions in full, the US is responsible for approximately half of the UN debt.


Source: UN Documents

[belverron]

I'm so not willing to decipher a table. Make it easier for those of us who choose to post late at night, will you?

By the way, I'm so in love with the way Sonart posts.

[righthand]

Quote by: belverron I'm so not willing to decipher a table. Make it easier for those of us who choose to post late at night, will you? By the way, I'm so in love with the way Sonart posts.

I''ll have go at the second one first.

What's not clear is if the US figures are also within the Totals. I expect they are. What is very clear is the amount owed by the US of the 'Total' owed. Is is very consistent at somewhat less than half of the 'Total' owed. If varies from $1497 34% in Jan to $1554 51% in May. This is all about Arrears. It gives no gives on 'Due'. So the 'Arrears' could be .5% or 5% or 50% of the amount 'Due' or 'Receivable' .

I'm struck by the amount spent on International Tribunals.

Any word on how Bolton is behaving. I'll bet he'll have either two ways to go. Try to be a perfect 'gentleman' - almost going to be like torture - or else aka Kruschov, start doing the shoe on the table bit. He has no chance of being normal. There will be too much pressure on to 'perform'. He cannot win no matter how hard he tries.

[liverleef]

This man is crooked and is more concerned about his own interests than that of the international community. He should fit in perfectly at the UN.

[righthand]

Quote by: liverleef This man is crooked and is more concerned about his own interests than that of the international community. He should fit in perfectly at the UN.

Are you for real? I can accept your view of Bolton being a crook, not that I have specific info on his dishonesty. In the general sense that the whole gang are dishonest, he certainly shares all the faults that they have. For my full views on Bolnon see #12

Then I see that you claim Conservative. Now I'm against all the labels - boxes really - that you're so fond of and would much prefer to hear what you REALLY think. At the moment you are giving mixed signals. I really believe you are a kind caring person that's hiding behind Conservative. You really will be among friends if you 'come out'.

Do you know what the give away was about your real persona? "No I don't think christians should be reading Harry Potter books. I think they should be reading The Age of Reason by Thomas Paine in " Should christians read Harry Potter?" I don't remember Thomas Paine as a Conservative. Great rebel.

Interesting is "Israel Hopes Gaza Pullout Will End Bashing" ...By EDITH M. LEDERER, Associated Press Writer ...Tuesday, August 16, 2005

(08-16) 00:46 PDT UNITED NATIONS, (AP) -- Israel hopes its disengagement from Gaza and parts of the West Bank will end "Israel bashing" at the United Nations and lead to peace with the Palestinians, Israel's U.N. ambassador said. For most of its history, Israel has found itself nearly alone at the United Nations, supported only by the United States and a few other countries while facing dozens of Arab and Muslim states that have pushed anti-Israel resolutions in the General Assembly and the Security Council. On the day that Israel started its pullout from Gaza, U.N. envoy Dan Gillerman told a news conference Monday that "it is time for the United Nations to acknowledge Israel's actions" and to show that it not only supports the pullout "but is doing something to demonstrate that support." "We therefore hope that in the United Nations there will be no more business as usual as far as the Middle East is concerned, no more business as usual as far as Israel is concerned, no more Israel bashing, no more ongoing resolutions which keep repeating themselves time after time after time," he said.

The United Nations was created in the wake of the Holocaust. It voted soon after, in 1947, to carve out two countries in Palestine, one Jewish, the other Arab, but the Palestinians' share was lost in the 1948 Mideast war with parts divvied up among Israel, Jordan and Egypt.

In 1975, the General Assembly voted to equate Zionism with racism, a move that all but shattered relations. It was repealed in the 1990s but Secretary-General Kofi Annan has said that "deep and painful scars remain" for both sides.

[liverleef]

Quote by: righthand Are you for real? I can accept your view of Bolton being a crook, not that I have specific info on his dishonesty. In the general sense that the whole gang are dishonest, he certainly shares all the faults that they have. For my full views on Bolnon see #12 Then I see that you claim Conservative. Now I'm against all the labels - boxes really - that you're so fond of and would much prefer to hear what you REALLY think. At the moment you are giving mixed signals. I really believe you are a kind caring person that's hiding behind Conservative. You really will be among friends if you 'come out'. Do you know what the give away was about your real persona? "No I don't think christians should be reading Harry Potter books. I think they should be reading The Age of Reason by Thomas Paine in " Should christians read Harry Potter?" I don't remember Thomas Paine as a Conservative. Great rebel.

HA, I am conservative,but I'm open minded. I'm the first to admit when a conservative politician does something unethical. I hate the Rush Limbaughs and Sean Hannitys because they can't.

Tom Paine was in many ways a conservative. Being non-christian and being conservative are not mutually exclusive. It's true that he suggested that what we might call "government programs" be created to care for the destitute and elderly. If you carefully read his writings, particularly Agrarian Justice, you'll notice that he describes a brand of poverty that exists in third world countries today. I'm certainly not against cutting all government programs but I do think that the government is entirely too big. Paine also wrote much about the dangers of big government. He also supported a strong military and was one of the first founding fathers clammoring for war.

As far as the UN, I've always thought them to be rather useless. The oil for food scam just confirmed what I already suspected. Don't get me wrong I'm sure there are plenty of well meaning people at the UN. I'm just not one of these people who thinks that the UN is vital, especially when there are members like Sudan. Yeah theres a country with a great track record.

[Milton Bradley]

Quote by: righthand (left foot) The following table illustrates the contributions owed to the UN by all member states. Debts to the UN are shown on a per month basis for 2005. The table further illustrates the contributions owed by the US and compares the US debt to the rest of the member states as a percentage.

Historically, the US has financed the lions share of the UN. The 2005 budget does not accurately reflect the total contributions of the US, which also houses the UN headquarters.


Just like our influence, our contributions have been slowly declining over time. This was all part of the initial plan to help reduce the nation states to a point where sovereignty would seem like a foreign concept from the past. One world government baby!

[righthand]

Quote by: liverleef HA, I am conservative,but I'm open minded. I'm the first to admit when a conservative politician does something unethical. I hate the Rush Limbaughs and Sean Hannitys because they can't.

"Conservative,but I'm open minded". Now what more can anybody ask. If we were all exactly the same there would be no point in having a forum for DISCUSSION. Well, we could ask you to change your mind. The great thing is that you have one and as long as you use it, then there's hope. Seriously, we all learn while exchanging ideas.

It pains me the way Americans stick labels on themselves and others as if a label could define a real person. People who are defensive and name-call usually have something to hide or just lack confidence. The latter is understandable but with maturity comes confidence and the freedom to express ones ideas. Here no one can bite. Your only responsible for your own words.

One of the reasons that I posted up the UN figures was not that in themselves they prove anything. Consistently posters bad mouthed the UN with no data but no one defending either.

In the North of Ireland, I had seen thing repeated and repeated as true that my experience I had shown were false. Yet by constant repeating and repeating, and in particular by the media that these 'Myths & Lies' became effectively the truth. Then as I got more involved in US politics I realized where this dishonest came from. The US is 'Myths & Lies'. None of the standard anything is true. Worse, most of you seem to know and accept this as so. I'll list some off the top of my head:

1. Religion is Big business. Donation/subscriptions to Churches being Tax Deductible while claiming separation of Church and State is a joke. Yet like your gun and hanging culture when I suggest this, Americans cannot grasp the concept that giving to the church is private. Hundreds of years thinking one way precludes alternatives.

2. Founding Fathers. Great men, but so what. What do they know about now no more than you do about the future. How can America be great going forward if you must navel gaze back hundreds of years for moral, legal, you name it, for answers. You jeer the Arabs but in many ways you are as backward looking as they are.

3. US Democracy. Well that's the biggest joke of all.

Let's see how are on my short list before you see my long list. In the interim, aside from the odd crook, can you give me a general idea on any/all that's wrong with the UN. I have a strong suspicion you have more on your mind that the usual 'Myths & Lies'.

Tom Paine also supported a strong military and was one of the first founding fathers clamoring for war.

Brief info, just to keep you honest?

As far as the UN, I've always thought them to be rather useless. The oil for food scam just confirmed what I already suspected. Don't get me wrong I'm sure there are plenty of well meaning people at the UN. I'm just not one of these people who thinks that the UN is vital, especially when there are members like Sudan. Yeah there's a country with a great track record.

Sudan yes, now a few more.