Mercury in Vaccines Causing Autism

[Lou Minotti]

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[RickSp]

The report you cite is four years old, prior to the the results of the multiple studies cited.

[Lou Minotti]

The article you posted is ONE study and is/was highly disputed (regardless of the fact that just because it didn't find a link doesn't mean there isn't one). It even says so in the article.

[tman_ndsu08]

Quote by: RickSp Hate to interrupt the insulting one liners with real content, but I couldn't help myself. From the previously posted, but no doubt unread, link: Experts Find No Vaccine-Autism Link

This more or less says it all right here: Experts Find No Vaccine-Autism Link.

Oh wow, and look at that, the Washington Post, an actual source, and not from "truthout.org".

[Mr.Vicchio]

Quote by: Lou Minotti No it isn't (I think you are thinking of arsonic). It's actually very rare. But that doesn't negate the fact that you stated there is no mercury in vaccines (which is false).

Alkali and metal processing, incineration of coal, and medical and other waste, and mining of gold and mercury contribute greatly to mercury concentrations in some areas, but atmospheric deposition is the dominant source of mercury over most of the landscape. Once in the atmosphere, mercury is widely disseminated and can circulate for years, accounting for its wide-spread distribution. Natural sources of atmospheric mercury include volcanoes, geologic deposits of mercury, and volatilization from the ocean. Although all rocks, sediments, water, and soils naturally contain small but varying amounts of mercury, scientists have found some local mineral occurrences and thermal springs that are naturally high in mercur http://www.usgs.gov/themes/factsheet/146-00/

Science begs to differ with your view of Mercury in the enviroment.

[Chalk]

If the injections had really severe consequences, surely they wouldn't be administered to an entire generation of children. Let's think logically here. As a sidenote, I'm alergic to the stuff in injections. I wouldn't know that if they didn't make the ingredients available to me/my parents now, would I?

[PatrickHenry]

Heh, tman, castille and Vicchio... The most research-oriented members of volconvo(not).

And you, RickSP, should be smart enough to know that government and industry lie all the time. It's part of their mode of doing business.

And I used truthout.org as a source because salon.com makes you register. Read the article there if you feel so led. Thimerosal is a preservative if you would bother to read the article, people. The vaccine manufacturers are making money here, just like a lot of other industries that hurt people and make a profit on it. Then they want to hide behind government "regulators" that are in bed with them.

Robert Kennedy is no lightweight. Spit on him for his politics all you like, he's got credibility. And the fact is, autism HAS affected an entire generation of children in America. Rates have increased exponentially with the increase in early childhood inoculation.

Cover up? Why on earth would anyone do such a bad, bad thing? From the article:

Even for scientists and doctors accustomed to confronting issues of life and death, the findings were frightening. "You can play with this all you want," Dr. Bill Weil, a consultant for the American Academy of Pediatrics, told the group. The results "are statistically significant." Dr. Richard Johnston, an immunologist and pediatrician from the University of Colorado whose grandson had been born early on the morning of the meeting's first day, was even more alarmed. "My gut feeling?" he said. "Forgive this personal comment - I do not want my grandson to get a thimerosal-containing vaccine until we know better what is going on." But instead of taking immediate steps to alert the public and rid the vaccine supply of thimerosal, the officials and executives at Simpsonwood spent most of the next two days discussing how to cover up the damaging data. According to transcripts obtained under the Freedom of Information Act, many at the meeting were concerned about how the damaging revelations about thimerosal would affect the vaccine industry's bottom line.

[tivodan1116]

So what are you suggesting? That on the basis of a wacky conspriacy theory childhood immunizations cease and millions of children be exposed to deadly diseases? No thank you.

Quote by: Rodney Balko Although this debate has raged for years, and will likely rage for many more, a decisive turn for many in the medical community came with the 2004 release of a definitive report from the National Academy of Sciences’ Institute of Medicine (search) which reviewed several decades worth of studies concerning a possible link between thimerosal and autism. In addition to stating that it saw no convincing evidence of such a link, the IOM panel went one step further and recommended that no further research funding be directed toward trying to find one. That unusual recommendation carried a lot of weight since IOM review panels are thought of by medical professionals as the “gold standard” of scientific peer review. http://www.junkscience.com

The danger in this kind of fear-mongering lies in what a lack of vaccinations could do to the population. Epidemiologists refer to "herd immunity" to show what percentage of a population is immunized against a particular disease. If this scare causes our "herd immunity" to fall below 90%, many long forgotten diseases could make a powerful comeback, even mutating into new forms to take hold in those that have been immunized.

[tivodan1116]

Quote by: PatrickHenry Heh, tman, castille and Vicchio... The most research-oriented members of volconvo(not).

Ad Homenim

And the fact is, autism HAS affected an entire generation of children in America. Rates have increased exponentially with the increase in early childhood inoculation.

Funny, that statement began with the word "fact" and then made no such thing.

Please support your assertion that "rates have increased exponentially" with early childhood innoculation. Preferably a link to a double line graph, one line showing rates of innoculation and the other showing rates of autism. THEN prove by a minimum of preponderance of evidence that A~~>B and then we can talk about a course of action.

[Mr.Vicchio]

His facts are based on "truthout.org" see they have no agenda but spreading the truth to those that will listen. Only the intelligent, and open-minded will be able to understand these truths, all others are sheep of the government-industry cabal out to rule the world.

[PatrickHenry]

I never said don't immunize> Strawman argument.

Heh, and my comment about your friends, tman, castille and Vicchio? See what you can find on those boys sourcing their arguments, heh, heh...

Love your "business-friendly" junk science website. Good cover for environmental rabid dogs, with a highlevel usage of "FOXNews" as a source...

I think Salon is more credible, but "to each, his own..." http://www.salon.com/news/feature/20.../index_np.html



In any case tivodan, mercury is not good for people to ingest. And especially not good for infants:
http://www.autismfraud.com/cm/Practi...criptions3.asp

Neurodevelopmental disorders caused by mercury poisoning include: * Abnormal movements * Impairments in communication * Impairments in social interaction * Repetitive behaviors * Sensory dysfunction * Cognitive deficits In 1970, an estimated 1 in 2,000 children experienced neurodevelopmental symptoms. As the number of thimerosal-containing vaccines given increased between 1970 and 1990, the number of children who suffered from neurodevelopmental symptoms rose to 1 in 1,000. As of the year 2000, the Center for Disease Control estimated that 1 in 150 children suffered from autistic-like symptoms. Mercury affects infants and children differently than adults. Because infant brains are less developed than adults, their bodies cannot metabolize the mercury as well. Infants lack the developed kidneys and liver found in adults, so their bodies cannot excrete mercury and other toxins as effectively. Therefore, the toxic effects of the mercury are much greater in infants than in adults. Most children with neurodevelopmental disorders develop normally for at least several months before their development begins to regress. The only means of definitively establishing whether a child's neurodevelopmental disorder resulted from mercury poisoning is through blood, urine (pre- and post-chelation), or hair sample analysis. Genetic factors appear to play a role in determining why some children, but not others, are affected by mercury poisoning.

[PatrickHenry]

Quote by: Mr.Vicchio His facts are based on "truthout.org" see they have no agenda but spreading the truth to those that will listen. Only the intelligent, and open-minded will be able to understand these truths, all others are sheep of the government-industry cabal out to rule the world.

Matter of fact, Vicchio, truthout is an organization that republishes stuff that has appeared in publication previously. Thus the Salon article that I cited written by Robert Kennedy, Jr.

Do they have an agenda? Most certainly. The mass media is filled with liars and truthout reprints some of the stuff that is true to counteract the lies. Do I agree with all of their agenda? Certainly not. They are in favor of gun-control, which I despise. But they are a source of information regarding the Bush cabal who seek hegemony over the whole world, using MY MONEY. I use them often and they frequently republish from the mainstream like the Washington Post and the NY Times.

http://www.newmediaexplorer.org/chri...nipulation.htm

Immuno-geneticist Dr. H. Hugh Fudenberg, MD (among the 15 most quoted scientists of this era with over 850 papers published in peer reviewed journals, http://www.nitrf.org/biblio.html , web site http://www.nitrf.org/fudenberg.html), in 1997 cited a ten year study conducted in the 1980's which demonstrated that those who have had five or more consecutive flu shots as opposed to one or two or no flu shots have a ten fold chance of developing Alzheimer's disease. Dr. Fudenberg attributed this to the mercury and aluminum that are present in these vaccines and until recently was present in most childhood vaccines

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Hey Vicchio: Be sure you get your flu shot! I wouldn't want you to get "sick!"

[Mr.Vicchio]

Be sure to avoid all your shots, I'll get mine and be just fine.

[PatrickHenry]

I believe Alzheimer's may have already begun, in your case, Mr. Vicchio...

Seriously, though. Why use mercury to preserve an additive to the human body? Especially for kids?

In fact, the Kennedy piece notes that most vaccine makers have phased it out, due to health concerns...

[Mr.Vicchio]

PH for YEARS the insulation of choice was asbestos.

Perhaps there was a sinister plot to kill millions and enrich doctors then lawyers through government inaction....

[castille]

My issue is not about mercury. Technically, if you drink too much water or eat too much bread you will also die.

No, my problem with you, PatrickHenry, is that you seem to be suggesting another government conspiracy.

Do you have ANY credible evidence this is yet another government conspiracy? All your sources seem to come from conspiracy websites, which frankly, is worse than having no sources at all. Any idiot with $10 can make his own website. Think about it.

[PatrickHenry]

castille, your sourceless arguments are a recognized and discounted feature of this site. Go troll somewhere else...

[PatrickHenry]

The issue in this debate isn't the mercury-based preservatives in the vaccines. They are acknowleged to be harmful. And they have since been discontinued...

It is the COVERUP that I am objecting to. That is the emphasis of Kennedy's article, and the reason for a coverup seems obvious to me. It furthered the profit goals of an elite with powers to influence media and government. It gave time for an orderly transition to alternative preservatives while allowing for lucrative sale of the remaining stocks of vaccines that were KNOWN to be harming a certain percentage of children... How many additional kids developed autism for this decision?

[castille]

Quote by: PatrickHenry Bla bla bla the government is evil and the Lizard men control the UN

Ladies and gents, PatrickHenry shows us yet another objective, unbiased source! This one is called...let's see... http://www.autismfraud.com

Just a little secret about the Internet - you can find sources on ANYTHING. If you think all black people should be killed, you can find sources to prove why that is scientifically right. If you think the Lizard Men are controlling our brains, you can also find sources to prove that.

Like I said, Internet sources can be worse than having no sources.

[PatrickHenry]

And having castille troll your thread can be worse than a mosquito in a darkened bedroom...