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dnacode · Feb 14, 2004, 03:34 pm

For a long time black female breast exposure, nipple included, was accepted in family magazines like National Geographic, Life and Smithsonian. Why now such nudity became immoral?

Suburbanite · Feb 14, 2004, 03:40 pm

because the ones in National Geographic weren't nice like Janets.

Disturbing_Clown · Feb 14, 2004, 05:48 pm

If this sort of thing keeps up, I may actually start watching football.

NJLigerNJ · Feb 14, 2004, 06:16 pm

Now this is some topical conversation! Why was the half-time show imported from 1998? It's probably not a good sign during anything when Justin Timberlake shows up and your reaction is "oh thank god, Justin Timberlake is here!"

Frankly I didn't find the breast nearly as entertaining as the crazy streaker. Primarily because a "streaking group" gave interviews before the Superbowl talking about how they were going to streak the Superbowl ... and they did. Um, security? I also enjoyed that Bryant Gumball or one of those brainless, charisma-less tools said "well they (the players) should just ignore this." So the Panthers should have just kicked off with a nude man prancing about midfield? Is that your idea of a football game Gummy?

Poor old Willie was saddled with the albatross of Toby Keith ... or whoever that was. When you see a country guy like Toby it's amazing anyone even remotely associated with country in any fashion can not seem like the biggest loser in any room. Johnny Cash and the handful of others who still seem cool deserve some type of award. P. Diddy also deserves an award in the opposite fashion. You know how most rappers can get away with looking okay no matter what? Diddy manages to look so incredibly stupid even in the context of hip-hop where pretty much nobody can do anything wrong these days.

At what point during Aerosmith's bizarre "doo be doo be bop dee boo dee" lyrics did you remind yourself they turned down U2? I'm no crazy tree-hugging U2 fanboy but boy howdy did that suck. I would also like to note that Nelly has now played two Superbowl half-times. Nelly. How does that happen? Have these people just never heard of Snoop?

Who the hell was that dude singing the NASA song? In fact everything that happened in that brutal hillbilly infested mechanical bull riding consortium pre-game show should be stricken from history by Jean Claude Van Damme himself.

Tomorrow: My take on the 1994 Superbowl half-time show.

mooseboy84 · Feb 22, 2004, 08:39 pm

its funny what americas find shocking and disturbing. during the half time show, kid rock came out with a flaged wrapped around his body then threw it to the ground and went on with his song. i never heard one person say they were offended by what he did.

then when janet shows her nipple, every one goes crazy. 1, you could not tell she showed her nipple. it was flashed for 2 secs, then they zoomed out. all you so was this thing that looked like a breast with a pasty on it. i didnt not see her "nipple" untill i went online and saw a close up of it. im sure that 95% of people did not see the nipple untill they saw a close up.

its funny, days after "Nipple gate", there were congressional reports and hysteria everywhre. sad how a CIA agent that had been undercover for 20 years had her named leaked by whitehouse officials in an attempt to disgrace her husband who said things the bush administration didnt like. there hasnt been much outrage at that, and congress sure has been slow to move on investagating.

NJLigerNJ · Feb 23, 2004, 02:42 pm

I found that strange about Kid Rock too because Bon Jovi did the same thing a year or so ago during the Superbowl (or maybe Opening Day -- Bon Jovi played like ten NFL games for some reason) and there was a mini-uproar over them wearing a flag and they didn't even throw it on the floor.

schwerpunkt · Feb 23, 2004, 09:59 pm

The nipple exposure was shocking not to single males and married men but parents of children that are sitting watching the super bowl with them.

tman_ndsu08 · Feb 23, 2004, 10:57 pm

Yes...parents who try to sheild their children from the world.

Kids are going to learn about it sooner or later. Why not just tell them from the beginning?

Also, i think America in general might have been more upset that it was a black women's nipple on screen.

**Pooeypants** · Feb 24, 2004, 05:38 am

<blockquote>Quote:<hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (tman_ndsu08,)
Yes...parents who try to sheild their children from the world.

Kids are going to learn about it sooner or later. Why not just tell them from the beginning?

Also, i think America in general might have been more upset that it was a black women's nipple on screen.<hr size="1" /></blockquote>
Now now then, let's not imply what I think you're implying.

tman_ndsu08 · Feb 24, 2004, 08:45 am

Fine...i'll say it then.

White America still does not fully accept Black people.

Haik · Feb 24, 2004, 10:43 am

The problem is that people don't know what being offended is anymore. Censorship on tv in the states is rediculous. I won't go very far in to this, but people need to wake up, life is real.

tman_ndsu08 · Feb 24, 2004, 11:06 am

I hear you 100% haik.

Here in America we go by the bible (or i should say certain people's interpretations of it) to judge...well....everything and anything.

Zeebadee · Feb 29, 2004, 02:00 pm

If some parents are so concerned about their kids seeing a bare boob at the halftime show, I'd like to see them try and answer questions the kids might ask about erectile dysfunction after seeing one of the Viagra commercials that also aired.

Mia · Feb 29, 2004, 02:37 pm

People did comment on the flag thing. In the wake of all the uproar over Janet and Justin, it was mentioned that the whole show was too sexual in nature and the flag thing was not right. Unplanned and unallowed nudity was just the biggest thing and got the most attention. And I 100% believe it would have been the same if it were a white woman's breast. That had nothing to do with it.

tman_ndsu08 · Feb 29, 2004, 05:24 pm

Mia...sure...

Maybe it is just a subconscious thing...but white christian america still doesn't accept black people as anything more than criminals, rappers, and professional athletes.

mlingley · Feb 29, 2004, 10:27 pm

The nipple thing was WAY overdone. The only reason it became such a big news story is because it was made into a huge news story by the press. I don't think most people really cared too much.. I know I didn't anyway.

The real problem with the whole nipple fiasco is how the FCC has decided to crack down on offensive material on television. Cable and satellite services have had more freedom because people pay for those services. This week Federal Communications Commissioner Kevin Martin said they are looking to see if such stations have to follow "indecency" standards.

OdieWon · Mar 1, 2004, 06:23 pm

I believe that the "NippleGate" incident is a symptom, not the sickness.

I have 3 daughters, and if I want them to grow up to have some type of self control, and some resonance of character, that has to be developed, and exposure to the world has to come in doses that the child can digest over time.

To simply say "Kids are going to learn about it sooner or later. Why not just tell them from the beginning?" is to say that from birth children should be allowed to view porn, homosexual and hetro, and gratuitous violence.

Why not roll them up a fattie and help 'em smoke grass during their spelling bee?

The problem is that Americans have been WAY TOO LAX with their kids for the last 3-5 generations, consecutively. The result is that now we have a generation with poor work ethics and no character.

Some of us are doing our part to keep the statistics down.

tman_ndsu08 · Mar 1, 2004, 08:11 pm

Odie...many people would respect your opinion.

Just remember that there is such a thing as a smart person with a different opinion than you and they are just as entitled to it.

Capitalist Pig · Mar 2, 2004, 03:44 am

<blockquote>Quote:<hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (dnacode,)
For a long time black female breast exposure, nipple included, was accepted in family magazines like National Geographic, Life and Smithsonian. Why now such nudity became immoral?<hr size="1" /></blockquote>Your analogy is weak for two reasons:

1. National Geographic's material is not presented in a pornographic manner, neither are the programs on television that document the society of natives. These exposures are limited, and the material is educational so they are granted some leeway. The targeted audience is not family, and I doubt many children could sit through those programs anyway.

2. The Super Bowl is regarded as a family program, and it airs during prime time. As an adult, you might not care, but for the parents with children watching, it is a big issue. I don't see what sort of educational benefit children receive from seeing a fifty-something diva's breast exposed at such a high profile sporting event.

Capitalist Pig · Mar 2, 2004, 03:47 am

<blockquote>Quote:<hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (tman_ndsu08,)
Maybe it is just a subconscious thing...but white christian america still doesn't accept black people as anything more than criminals, rappers, and professional athletes.<hr size="1" /></blockquote>Give me a break.

Feb 22, 2004, 08:39 pm	#5 (permalink) (top)
mooseboy84 Molten Ash Location: Cognitive Dissonance Posts: 60	its funny what americas find shocking and disturbing. during the half time show, kid rock came out with a flaged wrapped around his body then threw it to the ground and went on with his song. i never heard one person say they were offended by what he did. then when janet shows her nipple, every one goes crazy. 1, you could not tell she showed her nipple. it was flashed for 2 secs, then they zoomed out. all you so was this thing that looked like a breast with a pasty on it. i didnt not see her "nipple" untill i went online and saw a close up of it. im sure that 95% of people did not see the nipple untill they saw a close up. its funny, days after "Nipple gate", there were congressional reports and hysteria everywhre. sad how a CIA agent that had been undercover for 20 years had her named leaked by whitehouse officials in an attempt to disgrace her husband who said things the bush administration didnt like. there hasnt been much outrage at that, and congress sure has been slow to move on investagating. <<because i f**kin said so>>™

Feb 23, 2004, 09:59 pm	#7 (permalink) (top)
schwerpunkt Sedimentary Rock Posts: 2	The nipple exposure was shocking not to single males and married men but parents of children that are sitting watching the super bowl with them. <----Werner---->

Feb 24, 2004, 05:38 am	#9 (permalink) (top)
Pooeypants Neo Moderator Location: England Posts: 5,609	</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (tman_ndsu08,) Yes...parents who try to sheild their children from the world. Kids are going to learn about it sooner or later. Why not just tell them from the beginning? Also, i think America in general might have been more upset that it was a black women's nipple on screen.<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'> Now now then, let's not imply what I think you're implying. War is Peace Freedom is Slavery Ignorance is strength Harness the power of Ingsoc, then you can capture someone killed the year before

Feb 29, 2004, 02:00 pm	#13 (permalink) (top)
Zeebadee Volcanic Erupter Posts: 3,799	If some parents are so concerned about their kids seeing a bare boob at the halftime show, I'd like to see them try and answer questions the kids might ask about erectile dysfunction after seeing one of the Viagra commercials that also aired. "Everybody knows that the boat is leaking Everybody knows that the captain lied." - Leonard Cohen

Feb 29, 2004, 02:37 pm	#14 (permalink) (top)
Mia Retired Posts: 7,312	People did comment on the flag thing. In the wake of all the uproar over Janet and Justin, it was mentioned that the whole show was too sexual in nature and the flag thing was not right. Unplanned and unallowed nudity was just the biggest thing and got the most attention. And I 100% believe it would have been the same if it were a white woman's breast. That had nothing to do with it. "...with like-minded people one cannot discuss. With like-minded people one can only participate in a church service, and you know how I feel about church services." Ayaan Hirsi Ali

Feb 14, 2004, 03:34 pm	#1 (permalink) (top)
dnacode Sedimentary Rock Posts: 9	For a long time black female breast exposure, nipple included, was accepted in family magazines like National Geographic, Life and Smithsonian. Why now such nudity became immoral?

Feb 14, 2004, 03:40 pm	#2 (permalink) (top)
Suburbanite BANNED Location: Los Angeles Posts: 3,203	because the ones in National Geographic weren't nice like Janets.

Feb 14, 2004, 05:48 pm	#3 (permalink) (top)
Disturbing_Clown Molten Ash Posts: 30	If this sort of thing keeps up, I may actually start watching football.

Feb 14, 2004, 06:16 pm	#4 (permalink) (top)
NJLigerNJ Sedimentary Rock Posts: 8	Now this is some topical conversation! Why was the half-time show imported from 1998? It's probably not a good sign during anything when Justin Timberlake shows up and your reaction is "oh thank god, Justin Timberlake is here!" Frankly I didn't find the breast nearly as entertaining as the crazy streaker. Primarily because a "streaking group" gave interviews before the Superbowl talking about how they were going to streak the Superbowl ... and they did. Um, security? I also enjoyed that Bryant Gumball or one of those brainless, charisma-less tools said "well they (the players) should just ignore this." So the Panthers should have just kicked off with a nude man prancing about midfield? Is that your idea of a football game Gummy? Poor old Willie was saddled with the albatross of Toby Keith ... or whoever that was. When you see a country guy like Toby it's amazing anyone even remotely associated with country in any fashion can not seem like the biggest loser in any room. Johnny Cash and the handful of others who still seem cool deserve some type of award. P. Diddy also deserves an award in the opposite fashion. You know how most rappers can get away with looking okay no matter what? Diddy manages to look so incredibly stupid even in the context of hip-hop where pretty much nobody can do anything wrong these days. At what point during Aerosmith's bizarre "doo be doo be bop dee boo dee" lyrics did you remind yourself they turned down U2? I'm no crazy tree-hugging U2 fanboy but boy howdy did that suck. I would also like to note that Nelly has now played two Superbowl half-times. Nelly. How does that happen? Have these people just never heard of Snoop? Who the hell was that dude singing the NASA song? In fact everything that happened in that brutal hillbilly infested mechanical bull riding consortium pre-game show should be stricken from history by Jean Claude Van Damme himself. Tomorrow: My take on the 1994 Superbowl half-time show.

Feb 23, 2004, 02:42 pm	#6 (permalink) (top)
NJLigerNJ Sedimentary Rock Posts: 8	I found that strange about Kid Rock too because Bon Jovi did the same thing a year or so ago during the Superbowl (or maybe Opening Day -- Bon Jovi played like ten NFL games for some reason) and there was a mini-uproar over them wearing a flag and they didn't even throw it on the floor.

Feb 23, 2004, 10:57 pm	#8 (permalink) (top)
tman_ndsu08 BANNED Posts: 5,021	Yes...parents who try to sheild their children from the world. Kids are going to learn about it sooner or later. Why not just tell them from the beginning? Also, i think America in general might have been more upset that it was a black women's nipple on screen.

Feb 24, 2004, 08:45 am	#10 (permalink) (top)
tman_ndsu08 BANNED Posts: 5,021	Fine...i'll say it then. White America still does not fully accept Black people.

Feb 24, 2004, 10:43 am	#11 (permalink) (top)
Haik Molten Ash Posts: 64	The problem is that people don't know what being offended is anymore. Censorship on tv in the states is rediculous. I won't go very far in to this, but people need to wake up, life is real.

Feb 24, 2004, 11:06 am	#12 (permalink) (top)
tman_ndsu08 BANNED Posts: 5,021	I hear you 100% haik. Here in America we go by the bible (or i should say certain people's interpretations of it) to judge...well....everything and anything.

Feb 29, 2004, 05:24 pm	#15 (permalink) (top)
tman_ndsu08 BANNED Posts: 5,021	Mia...sure... Maybe it is just a subconscious thing...but white christian america still doesn't accept black people as anything more than criminals, rappers, and professional athletes.

Feb 29, 2004, 10:27 pm	#16 (permalink) (top)
mlingley Molten Ash Posts: 120	The nipple thing was WAY overdone. The only reason it became such a big news story is because it was made into a huge news story by the press. I don't think most people really cared too much.. I know I didn't anyway. The real problem with the whole nipple fiasco is how the FCC has decided to crack down on offensive material on television. Cable and satellite services have had more freedom because people pay for those services. This week Federal Communications Commissioner Kevin Martin said they are looking to see if such stations have to follow "indecency" standards.

Mar 1, 2004, 06:23 pm	#17 (permalink) (top)
OdieWon Sedimentary Rock Location: South Dakota Posts: 10	I believe that the "NippleGate" incident is a symptom, not the sickness. I have 3 daughters, and if I want them to grow up to have some type of self control, and some resonance of character, that has to be developed, and exposure to the world has to come in doses that the child can digest over time. To simply say "Kids are going to learn about it sooner or later. Why not just tell them from the beginning?" is to say that from birth children should be allowed to view porn, homosexual and hetro, and gratuitous violence. Why not roll them up a fattie and help 'em smoke grass during their spelling bee? The problem is that Americans have been WAY TOO LAX with their kids for the last 3-5 generations, consecutively. The result is that now we have a generation with poor work ethics and no character. Some of us are doing our part to keep the statistics down.

Mar 1, 2004, 08:11 pm	#18 (permalink) (top)
tman_ndsu08 BANNED Posts: 5,021	Odie...many people would respect your opinion. Just remember that there is such a thing as a smart person with a different opinion than you and they are just as entitled to it.

Mar 2, 2004, 03:44 am	#19 (permalink) (top)
Capitalist Pig Market Anarchist Location: United States Posts: 652	</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (dnacode,) For a long time black female breast exposure, nipple included, was accepted in family magazines like National Geographic, Life and Smithsonian. Why now such nudity became immoral?<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'>Your analogy is weak for two reasons: 1. National Geographic's material is not presented in a pornographic manner, neither are the programs on television that document the society of natives. These exposures are limited, and the material is educational so they are granted some leeway. The targeted audience is not family, and I doubt many children could sit through those programs anyway. 2. The Super Bowl is regarded as a family program, and it airs during prime time. As an adult, you might not care, but for the parents with children watching, it is a big issue. I don't see what sort of educational benefit children receive from seeing a fifty-something diva's breast exposed at such a high profile sporting event. Tu ne cede malis, sed contra audentior ito.

Mar 2, 2004, 03:47 am	#20 (permalink) (top)
Capitalist Pig Market Anarchist Location: United States Posts: 652	</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (tman_ndsu08,) Maybe it is just a subconscious thing...but white christian america still doesn't accept black people as anything more than criminals, rappers, and professional athletes.<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'>Give me a break. Tu ne cede malis, sed contra audentior ito.