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tman_ndsu08 · Mar 2, 2004, 09:35 am

go buy your own kit-kat bar.

Mia · Mar 3, 2004, 04:41 am

<blockquote>Quote:<hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (tman_ndsu08,)
Mia...sure...

Maybe it is just a subconscious thing...but white christian america still doesn't accept black people as anything more than criminals, rappers, and professional athletes.<hr size="1" /></blockquote>

If it were Britney Spears we'd have the same uproar, I promise you. I understand your meaning, and don't completely disagree in general, but in this instance it would get the same response.

People just love to get into an uproar and go after people. If we research it, I'll bet we can find similar cases with white women.

Mia · Mar 3, 2004, 04:43 am

<blockquote>Quote:<hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (OdieWon,)
I believe that the "NippleGate" incident is a symptom, not the sickness.

I have 3 daughters, and if I want them to grow up to have some type of self control, and some resonance of character, that has to be developed, and exposure to the world has to come in doses that the child can digest over time.

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Absolutely.

Mia · Mar 3, 2004, 04:45 am

<blockquote>Quote:<hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (mlingley,)
The nipple thing was WAY overdone. The only reason it became such a big news story is because it was made into a huge news story by the press. I don't think most people really cared too much.. I know I didn't anyway.

The real problem with the whole nipple fiasco is how the FCC has decided to crack down on offensive material on television. Cable and satellite services have had more freedom because people pay for those services. This week Federal Communications Commissioner Kevin Martin said they are looking to see if such stations have to follow "indecency" standards.<hr size="1" /></blockquote>

Well, that's not right. I agree with regulating pubic airwaves, but cable should do whatever it wants. My parents had a lock on our cable box. It can be controlled, and adults should watch whatever they want.

Mia · Mar 3, 2004, 04:50 am

<blockquote>Quote:<hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (Zeebadee,)
If some parents are so concerned about their kids seeing a bare boob at the halftime show, I'd like to see them try and answer questions the kids might ask about erectile dysfunction after seeing one of the Viagra commercials that also aired.<hr size="1" /></blockquote>

Of course this was not that big of a deal. If I had a child watching I don't think it would be scarred for life or anything - the point is if we let her do that then it will just escalate from there and get out of control.

Apr 3, 2004, 02:33 am

Come on people this is not a racial discussion. If this were Janet or any white chick the flap would be the same. The problem is that a boob was exposed during the Super Bowl, period. Kids were watching, white, black, yellow, green, color doesn't matter, it was the wrong time to show a boob. Now, let me say that I personnaly, don't have any problem with an exposed breast. I have paid good money to see boobs in bars. However, I can sympathise with all those people who didn't appreciate the exposure during the Super Bowl. Show some decorum.

rhod01 · Apr 3, 2004, 07:38 pm

Want to know what annoys me?

No one has criticised Justin Timberlake.

He's the one who took of the clothes bit to reveal her breasts. So I think he's the one who should get criticised.

I don't like what looks like sexism. Toward Ms Kackson. Grr!

Mia · Apr 3, 2004, 09:56 pm

<blockquote>Quote:<hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (Merlov,)
Want to know what annoys me?

No one has criticised Justin Timberlake.

He's the one who took of the clothes bit to reveal her breasts. So I think he's the one who should get criticised.

I don't like what looks like sexism. Toward Ms Kackson. Grr!<hr size="1" /></blockquote>

He was criticised too.

rhod01 · Apr 4, 2004, 06:23 am

If you mean by posters in this board, I don't. I mean Americans generally. Especially by the American media.

sorry for not being clear.

Mozart1220 · Apr 4, 2004, 07:03 pm

George Carlin made the same point as the earlier poster. Isn't it funny that so much attention is paid to Janet Jackson's nipple, yet many of the commercials for the Super Bowl were for "male enhancement " drugs? Granted, after seeing the close up of that saggy glad bag Ms. Jackson exposed, I NEEDED some "enhancement", it still is a double standard.
Also if anyone in the world still believes that it wasn't COMPLETELY INTENTIONAL on Ms Jackson's part to be exposed, one only has to ask two questions...
1. Why was she wearing a 'breakaway' top?
2. Why was she wearing that festive little star if no one was going to se her breast?

I also find it strange that Howard Stern is banned from some Clearchannel stations, yet Oprah has an talk about sex on her show that same week? Maybe it's because Oprah doesn't openly critisize the "president"?

Mozart1220 · Apr 4, 2004, 07:12 pm

<blockquote>Quote:<hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (OdieWon,)
I believe that the "NippleGate" incident is a symptom, not the sickness.

I have 3 daughters, and if I want them to grow up to have some type of self control, and some resonance of character, that has to be developed, and exposure to the world has to come in doses that the child can digest over time.

To simply say "Kids are going to learn about it sooner or later. Why not just tell them from the beginning?" is to say that from birth children should be allowed to view porn, homosexual and hetro, and gratuitous violence.

Why not roll them up a fattie and help 'em smoke grass during their spelling bee?

The problem is that Americans have been WAY TOO LAX with their kids for the last 3-5 generations, consecutively. The result is that now we have a generation with poor work ethics and no character.

Some of us are doing our part to keep the statistics down.<hr size="1" /></blockquote>

Good question..why don't we just tell them from the beginning?

Why is it that we hide anything sexual from our children like we are ashamed of it? Doesn't it seem logical thet if we gave them a little information early and in the proper context they might be less confused later? Maybe we'd have LESS teen pregnacy and less STD's if we let them know we understand that the hormones are raging and here is what's going on with their bodies. Maybe if we taught abstinence as a foundation but ALSO how and why to use birth control and how to protect themselves, we'd have fewer problems.

You know vewry well NO ONE is advocating "rolling them a fattie" or exposing them to hard core pornography, and you lessen your respectability by suggesting it. We need answers to serious problems, not paranoid extremism.

I raised a daughter and a son to adulthod, and my policy was always "If they are old enough to ask the question, they are old enough to know the answer".

And as long as we are talking about sex on TV, what about violence? I'm not talking about dramatic (fake) violence, that I can explain to a kid. I'm talking about the REAL thing they see on CNN and the other news channels 24/7. How do I explain the blood and bodies after a bomb attack in Beruit or somewhere? Tell me what happens, I get it, you don't have to show close up videos.

thehaywire · Apr 6, 2004, 02:42 am

Now now, i don't think racism is the problem. Here's how I see it:

The American television censorship makes sure that even though you can kill people on live tv, there won't be a single nipple on network television. Ever. You can see babes in bikinis and booty-shakin' on rap videos on saturday morning, but if one of those boobs were to pop out to say hello, it would be a national crisis. And it was.

lessthan · Apr 12, 2004, 11:53 pm

i dont see why its such a big deal that it popped out they learn about it in school. they show the whoel thing giving birth and all. i dont see how a nipple popping out is going to corrupt minds that have already been corrupted. what is it with parents that think that there kids are never going to come across situations where they will see that sort of skin or are never going to engage in any sexual activity which will lead to the bad pieces of flash being exposed. these people need a big reality check with what they think is bad. Look at europe they have nudity all over on billboards and on commercials and in magazines and they have lower crime rates and lower sexual crazed individuals then the US does. also look at their drinking laws since the ages are lowerd there is less drunk driving and less kids getting drunk because they have taught their young children that drinking is ok in moderation and they treat as a social thing rather then a go out and get wasted sort of thing even though there are people who do that the point is that we should follow in the footsteps of europe im rambling so ill stop but that is how i feel

riciglia1 · Apr 13, 2004, 11:05 pm

lessthan i know u personally and that whole moderation drinking thing.... and u are sooooooo full of ****.

Mar 3, 2004, 04:41 am	#22 (permalink) (top)
Mia Retired Posts: 7,312	</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (tman_ndsu08,) Mia...sure... Maybe it is just a subconscious thing...but white christian america still doesn't accept black people as anything more than criminals, rappers, and professional athletes.<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'> If it were Britney Spears we'd have the same uproar, I promise you. I understand your meaning, and don't completely disagree in general, but in this instance it would get the same response. People just love to get into an uproar and go after people. If we research it, I'll bet we can find similar cases with white women. "...with like-minded people one cannot discuss. With like-minded people one can only participate in a church service, and you know how I feel about church services." Ayaan Hirsi Ali

Mar 3, 2004, 04:43 am	#23 (permalink) (top)
Mia Retired Posts: 7,312	</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (OdieWon,) I believe that the "NippleGate" incident is a symptom, not the sickness. I have 3 daughters, and if I want them to grow up to have some type of self control, and some resonance of character, that has to be developed, and exposure to the world has to come in doses that the child can digest over time. .<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'> Absolutely. "...with like-minded people one cannot discuss. With like-minded people one can only participate in a church service, and you know how I feel about church services." Ayaan Hirsi Ali

Mar 3, 2004, 04:45 am	#24 (permalink) (top)
Mia Retired Posts: 7,312	</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (mlingley,) The nipple thing was WAY overdone. The only reason it became such a big news story is because it was made into a huge news story by the press. I don't think most people really cared too much.. I know I didn't anyway. The real problem with the whole nipple fiasco is how the FCC has decided to crack down on offensive material on television. Cable and satellite services have had more freedom because people pay for those services. This week Federal Communications Commissioner Kevin Martin said they are looking to see if such stations have to follow "indecency" standards.<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'> Well, that's not right. I agree with regulating pubic airwaves, but cable should do whatever it wants. My parents had a lock on our cable box. It can be controlled, and adults should watch whatever they want. "...with like-minded people one cannot discuss. With like-minded people one can only participate in a church service, and you know how I feel about church services." Ayaan Hirsi Ali

Mar 3, 2004, 04:50 am	#25 (permalink) (top)
Mia Retired Posts: 7,312	</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (Zeebadee,) If some parents are so concerned about their kids seeing a bare boob at the halftime show, I'd like to see them try and answer questions the kids might ask about erectile dysfunction after seeing one of the Viagra commercials that also aired.<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'> Of course this was not that big of a deal. If I had a child watching I don't think it would be scarred for life or anything - the point is if we let her do that then it will just escalate from there and get out of control. "...with like-minded people one cannot discuss. With like-minded people one can only participate in a church service, and you know how I feel about church services." Ayaan Hirsi Ali

Apr 3, 2004, 07:38 pm	#27 (permalink) (top)
rhod01 Socialist Location: Melbourne, Australia Posts: 226	Want to know what annoys me? No one has criticised Justin Timberlake. He's the one who took of the clothes bit to reveal her breasts. So I think he's the one who should get criticised. I don't like what looks like sexism. Toward Ms Kackson. Grr! http://img382.imageshack.us/img382/1153/gates8lq.jpg Political Compass Position: Economic Left/Right:-9.50 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian:-7.13

Mar 2, 2004, 09:35 am	#21 (permalink) (top)
tman_ndsu08 BANNED Posts: 5,021	go buy your own kit-kat bar.

Apr 3, 2004, 02:33 am	#26 (permalink) (top)
dave654 Guest Posts: n/a	Come on people this is not a racial discussion. If this were Janet or any white chick the flap would be the same. The problem is that a boob was exposed during the Super Bowl, period. Kids were watching, white, black, yellow, green, color doesn't matter, it was the wrong time to show a boob. Now, let me say that I personnaly, don't have any problem with an exposed breast. I have paid good money to see boobs in bars. However, I can sympathise with all those people who didn't appreciate the exposure during the Super Bowl. Show some decorum.

Apr 3, 2004, 09:56 pm	#28 (permalink) (top)
Mia Retired Posts: 7,312	</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (Merlov,) Want to know what annoys me? No one has criticised Justin Timberlake. He's the one who took of the clothes bit to reveal her breasts. So I think he's the one who should get criticised. I don't like what looks like sexism. Toward Ms Kackson. Grr!<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'> He was criticised too. "...with like-minded people one cannot discuss. With like-minded people one can only participate in a church service, and you know how I feel about church services." Ayaan Hirsi Ali

Apr 4, 2004, 06:23 am	#29 (permalink) (top)
rhod01 Socialist Location: Melbourne, Australia Posts: 226	If you mean by posters in this board, I don't. I mean Americans generally. Especially by the American media. sorry for not being clear. http://img382.imageshack.us/img382/1153/gates8lq.jpg Political Compass Position: Economic Left/Right:-9.50 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian:-7.13

Apr 4, 2004, 07:03 pm	#30 (permalink) (top)
Mozart1220 Igneous Magma Posts: 687	George Carlin made the same point as the earlier poster. Isn't it funny that so much attention is paid to Janet Jackson's nipple, yet many of the commercials for the Super Bowl were for "male enhancement " drugs? Granted, after seeing the close up of that saggy glad bag Ms. Jackson exposed, I NEEDED some "enhancement", it still is a double standard. Also if anyone in the world still believes that it wasn't COMPLETELY INTENTIONAL on Ms Jackson's part to be exposed, one only has to ask two questions... 1. Why was she wearing a 'breakaway' top? 2. Why was she wearing that festive little star if no one was going to se her breast? I also find it strange that Howard Stern is banned from some Clearchannel stations, yet Oprah has an talk about sex on her show that same week? Maybe it's because Oprah doesn't openly critisize the "president"? Big Jr is watching you!

Apr 4, 2004, 07:12 pm	#31 (permalink) (top)
Mozart1220 Igneous Magma Posts: 687	</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (OdieWon,) I believe that the "NippleGate" incident is a symptom, not the sickness. I have 3 daughters, and if I want them to grow up to have some type of self control, and some resonance of character, that has to be developed, and exposure to the world has to come in doses that the child can digest over time. To simply say "Kids are going to learn about it sooner or later. Why not just tell them from the beginning?" is to say that from birth children should be allowed to view porn, homosexual and hetro, and gratuitous violence. Why not roll them up a fattie and help 'em smoke grass during their spelling bee? The problem is that Americans have been WAY TOO LAX with their kids for the last 3-5 generations, consecutively. The result is that now we have a generation with poor work ethics and no character. Some of us are doing our part to keep the statistics down.<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'> Good question..why don't we just tell them from the beginning? Why is it that we hide anything sexual from our children like we are ashamed of it? Doesn't it seem logical thet if we gave them a little information early and in the proper context they might be less confused later? Maybe we'd have LESS teen pregnacy and less STD's if we let them know we understand that the hormones are raging and here is what's going on with their bodies. Maybe if we taught abstinence as a foundation but ALSO how and why to use birth control and how to protect themselves, we'd have fewer problems. You know vewry well NO ONE is advocating "rolling them a fattie" or exposing them to hard core pornography, and you lessen your respectability by suggesting it. We need answers to serious problems, not paranoid extremism. I raised a daughter and a son to adulthod, and my policy was always "If they are old enough to ask the question, they are old enough to know the answer". And as long as we are talking about sex on TV, what about violence? I'm not talking about dramatic (fake) violence, that I can explain to a kid. I'm talking about the REAL thing they see on CNN and the other news channels 24/7. How do I explain the blood and bodies after a bomb attack in Beruit or somewhere? Tell me what happens, I get it, you don't have to show close up videos. Big Jr is watching you!

Apr 6, 2004, 02:42 am	#32 (permalink) (top)
thehaywire Sedimentary Rock Posts: 1	Now now, i don't think racism is the problem. Here's how I see it: The American television censorship makes sure that even though you can kill people on live tv, there won't be a single nipple on network television. Ever. You can see babes in bikinis and booty-shakin' on rap videos on saturday morning, but if one of those boobs were to pop out to say hello, it would be a national crisis. And it was.

Apr 12, 2004, 11:53 pm	#33 (permalink) (top)
lessthan Igneous Magma Location: Buffalo NY ( hell ) Posts: 196	i dont see why its such a big deal that it popped out they learn about it in school. they show the whoel thing giving birth and all. i dont see how a nipple popping out is going to corrupt minds that have already been corrupted. what is it with parents that think that there kids are never going to come across situations where they will see that sort of skin or are never going to engage in any sexual activity which will lead to the bad pieces of flash being exposed. these people need a big reality check with what they think is bad. Look at europe they have nudity all over on billboards and on commercials and in magazines and they have lower crime rates and lower sexual crazed individuals then the US does. also look at their drinking laws since the ages are lowerd there is less drunk driving and less kids getting drunk because they have taught their young children that drinking is ok in moderation and they treat as a social thing rather then a go out and get wasted sort of thing even though there are people who do that the point is that we should follow in the footsteps of europe im rambling so ill stop but that is how i feel My, my what a mess we've made Of our pretty little heads these days. It appears a heavy wind's blown through here recently. Best wishes have been made for you

Apr 13, 2004, 11:05 pm	#34 (permalink) (top)
riciglia1 Molten Ash Location: Amherst, NY Posts: 57	lessthan i know u personally and that whole moderation drinking thing.... and u are sooooooo full of ****. Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former. Albert Einstein (1879 - 1955) Talk sense to a fool and he calls you foolish. Euripides (484 BC - 406 BC), The Bacchae, circa 407 B.C.