What if Terrorist's Used a Nuke?

[Matt W]

We would give a 1 hour warning to the people there to evacuate (if we made it public knowledge the moment the news hit the world a nuke WAS used against us they would high tial it out of there anyway).

You really think they fear martyrdom? You think the moment you make it public knowledge that fanatics won't flock to Mecca to act as human shields? You really lack understanding of human nature, Mr. V. These people don't cower before threats - they relish them. Hasn't your dealings with Iraq & Iran taught you anything?

There are those that say it would cause the Muslim world to hate us, to sign up for jihad and help destroy us.

It would. You are threatening the religious foundation of perhaps a third of the population of the globe, most of whom have jack shit to do with terrorists. It's the cowards' way out. Funnily enough, expect protests, expect hatred, expect more attacks on America the moment you announce the plan. Expect the Iraqis, the Malaysians, the Indonesians, the Saudis (who are your allies, by the way - nice way to treat them), the Syrians, the Lebanese, the Egyptians (oh, tell me did you WANT to be able to use the Suez canal???), and a whole host of others to declare war on you the _moment_ that button is pressed. You think you can win? You go ahead. The rest of the world will stand and watch,

What would I do to prevent it? Get some folks in who understand that the world isn't black and white and that you can't force change at the barrel of a gun for STARTERS. The rest is a bit more complex, Mr. V, and would doubtless be dismissed by you as a bit soft & pussy-like, so I'll leave it for now.

And you really think I'm a cheese-eating-surrender-monkey? Nice. No, I'm just someone who doesn't think in slogans and takes the time to look at what's going on - I don't do 'quick fixes', I try and solve the problem.

[Mr.Vicchio]

Hey Matt, maybe if 1/3 of the world would jack slap the Terrorist killing in the name of their religion, we wouldn't be having this conversation.

Yes actually I do. The world is black and white, when you starting quivering at imagined fears that's when hell breaks loose.

WWII ring a bell anyone? Had the world delt with Hitler when it could... but no, we had people that were afriad of "angering Hitler" and "causing the Germans to flock to him" and yadda yadda yadda.

Is it so hard to understand that the big problem isn't America, it's the fact a group of radicals who profess to be pushing Islam, are not being taken to task by those that practice the faith?

When the Islamic World stands up against them, then we will see change.

BTW this isn't a theoretical discuss, bin Laden's all ready recieved appreoval from high level ISLAMIC CLERICS not members of Al-Quada but Isalmic Clerics... to use a nuke on the USA.
And nary a word was raised by the left wing media, or the Islamic world saying that was wrong.

An Islamic religious ruling that had been kept from the public for a year-and-a-half granted Osama bin Laden and other terrorist leaders permission to use nuclear, biological or chemical weapons against the United States and its allies. The existence of the ruling, or fatwa, was revealed by Michael Scheuer, a former Central Intelligence Agency officer who headed the agency’s Bin Laden unit from 1996 to 1999 during the course of a November 14 broadcast of the CBS news show Sixty Minutes. The fatwa was issued by a prominent Saudi cleric on May 21, 2003, and is an ominous sign that bin Laden and al Qaeda no longer accept moral or religious values obstructing the use of weapons of mass destruction. After the September 11 attacks, bin Laden was criticized by many Muslim clerics for attacking the United States without adequate warning. Scheuer, the author, as “Anonymous,” of the recent book Imperial Hubris: How the West is Losing the War on Terror, said bin Laden may now believe he is immune to similar criticism if a similar attack were launched against the U.S. with weapons of mass destruction http://www.jinsa.org/articles/articl...,655,1701,2762

[Matt W]

When the Islamic World stands up against them, then we will see change.

I've given you a variety of exaples of Muslims 'standing up' to terror. I see you're ignoring them.

WWII ring a bell anyone? Had the world delt with Hitler when it could... but no, we had people that were afriad of "angering Hitler" and "causing the Germans to flock to him" and yadda yadda yadda.

This isn't anything like WW2. Yes, we are under attack - and you want to go threaten the folk who aren't attacking us. That is strategic suicide. Tell, me, have you given any thought to the consequences of this threat, at all? Have you read what I put? I'm not kidding - any nation that has Islam as its' religion will go nuts, not to mention the Muslims in Europe and America. How are you going to explain to them that you destroyed their religious foundation for something that wasn't thier fault? If that isn't religious persecution, then I don't know what is.

[Pooeypants]

I love how you mention WWII, curious why the US didn't enter the till 1942 but that's something else entirely.

This is a different war, it's a constant war which can never end but we don't have a definitive enemy. They're supposed to be everywhere and nowhere; they can strike at anytime. OR so we're lead to believe. Terrorism has been the same for the past decades it's just that recently our politicians have been exaggerating the threat and misleading us to believe that we have to live in fear and give up our liberty inorder to "fight those freedom haters".
If you want to know what the problems are, try to learn the actual reasons behind the terrorists factions. Know thy enemy. People don't start wars without reason, look to the source and try to find a solution. Otherwise it WILL be a ceaseless war, is that you want?

[Dieval]

So basically no one be V and I believe that the pointing a nuke and Mecca will make the non-radical Islamist rise up and crush the people that made us point it there in the first place? Interesting..

Even if the threat of nuking Mecca was put on the table and the Islamists from other countries decided to rise up against us and our allies, do you really think they could take out all of our nukes and have a chance to stop us from launching it, if it came down to it? One sub a thousand miles a way could wipe it out. There would be nothing(zero zilch) they could do to stop us.

There only reasonable chance of preventing it would be to stop the people that caused us to point it there in the first place.

[FIFI]

I think that if one country lanches a nuke, then everyone is going to launch and viola! Earth be gone! Hey, atleat cockroaches would finally have their day!

[Pooeypants]

Using terrorism to fight terrorism? What a marvelous new tactic and I'm sure the rest of the world will support it. :rolleyes:

[G. Adams]

As your putting such a burden on Muslims around the world, please tell me how they could prevent a clandestine terrorist organisation from nuking the US.

[Zeebadee]

Yeah, we're going to formulate national policy based on the opinions of two clowns that can't even compose a rational, literate sentence.

[Lou Minotti]

Quote by: Dieval I don't believe that terrorists have the right to nuke our cities, but do you think that will stop them? Edit - Not provoking them is kind of ridiculous as our very existance is provocation enough for them to continue their attacks.

That's ridiculous. The rhetoric of Lord Bush bares little resemblance to reality.

[Dieval]

Quote by: Zeebadee Yeah, we're going to formulate national policy based on the opinions of two clowns that can't even compose a rational, literate sentence.

Click here to read the rules before posting!

No personal insults or attacks will be tolerated in any of the main forums: Getting too personal, by insulting fellow users, only de-rails good arguments and ruins the topic. This rule includes the use of images or text-based signatures that mean to insult or attack a fellow user. This also includes ad-hominem's. Check out these logical fallacies so you can avoid them.

[Dieval]

Quote by: Lou Minotti That's ridiculous. The rhetoric of Lord Bush bares little resemblance to reality.

I guess you haven't figured out the goal of the terrorists yet...let me spell it out for you right from their own manual -

The overthrow of the godless regimes and their replacement with an Islamic regime

This is taken directly from the manual at -
http://www.usdoj.gov/ag/manualpart1_1.pdf (this ia a PDF file)
The rest of the sections of this manual are available at -
http://www.usdoj.gov/ag/trainingmanual.htm


I know, it's not reality, it's just the rhetoric of Lord Bush...keep telling yourself that and it will just go away quietly..

[Lou Minotti]

Government PR and spin doesn't impress me.

How does the rhetoric of a small (tiny) minority of students schooled at Madrasas funded in part with YOUR TAX MONEY and their incoherent ramblings have to do with the downfall of the American Republic? There are laws that deal with criminals. The shredding of the Constitution so that our right hand can beat up the left is fueled mostly by good people doing nothing, sadly.

[Pooeypants]

Quote by: Zeebadee Yeah, we're going to formulate national policy based on the opinions of two clowns that can't even compose a rational, literate sentence.

A little less of that lip from you, thank you.

[Zeebadee]

Quote by: Pooeypants A little less of that lip from you, thank you.

Hey, if the shoe fits......

[Sean]

Zeeb, the insults are not tolerated. You know it is one of the few rules we have. do not respond to this within the thread

[Dieval]

Quote by: Lou Minotti Government PR and spin doesn't impress me.

Huh? The information was taken right from the al qaida hand book...how much spin from us can there be??

[RVonse]

For anyone who is interested, here is what Bin Laden himself said was motivation for 911:

http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exer...C36E87F61F.htm

Shouldn't we be listening to the person who took credit for the attack? His speech makes a lot more sense to me then the al qaida hand book. If I understand correctly, his main greivance was with our prior involvement with the middle east. This seems very reasonable to me. He also mentioned that Switzerland has never been attacked because they know how to mind their own business. Seems like the U.S. might learn a lot from the Swiss.

[Mr.Vicchio]

Quote by: RVonse For anyone who is interested, here is what Bin Laden himself said was motivation for 911: http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exer...C36E87F61F.htm Shouldn't we be listening to the person who took credit for the attack? His speech makes a lot more sense to me then the al qaida hand book. If I understand correctly, his main greivance was with our prior involvement with the middle east. This seems very reasonable to me. He also mentioned that Switzerland has never been attacked because they know how to mind their own business. Seems like the U.S. might learn a lot from the Swiss.

See, surrender to the terrorist, give up, do what they want. This is the answer from those that have not learned the lessons of the past.

[RVonse]

Not surrender really, but at least listen to what his grievance has been. Why would he lie about this?

Keep in mind that 911 cost him something too. Not near what it cost us of course, but Bin Laden lost some talented people and had to pay money to make it happen. I do not think it was something he would have taken lightly at all. I would imagine he was/and still is pissed at us. We could at least listen to what is bothering him.

Especially since all he wants is simply for us to leave other societies alone. Seems like an easy thing to do especially since it would not cost lives or tax money.