What if Terrorist's Used a Nuke?

[G. Adams]

If you destroyed Mecca, making it impossible for all Muslims to complete the fifth pillar of Islam, and therefore cut them off from heaven, the only way left would be through holy war. What a fine position your thinking would leave us in.

[Mr.Vicchio]

You guys act like we'd nuke Mecca for no reason. Nuke Mecca if some radical Islamic's nuked us FIRST.

The blame would lie on them, not us.

[Lou Minotti]

Mr. Vicchio, you HAVE to be joking. Your view of the world is scarier than the freaking commies.

[Dieval]

Quote by: Lou Minotti Mr. Vicchio, you HAVE to be joking. Your view of the world is scarier than the freaking commies.

So what do you suggest?
They strike us, then what?
Go on with life and wait for them to hit us again?

[Lou Minotti]

So what do you suggest?

I suggest acting like a Republic: NOT arming terrorist then saying we have a right to "turn them into glass", NOT allowing the borders to remain wide open as to make smuggling a nuke into he US easy as cake, and NOT provoking getting attacked by pushing ridiculous notions like nuking Mecca. "Hit us again"? Who? Mecca? Those damn Meccaneeze. Yeah, they are really asking for it aren't they?

[Dieval]

Quote by: Lou Minotti NOT arming terrorist then saying we have a right to "turn them into glass"

I don't believe that terrorists have the right to nuke our cities, but do you think that will stop them?

Edit -
Not provoking them is kind of ridiculous as our very existance is provocation enough for them to continue their attacks.

[Pooeypants]

Quote by: Dieval I don't believe that terrorists have the right to nuke our cities, but do you think that will stop them? Edit - Not provoking them is kind of ridiculous as our very existance is provocation enough for them to continue their attacks.

Exactly, if they have no right to harm our cities then what right do we to do the same?

[ericsp23]

I'm sorry, but I can't believe we are even debating this.
Nuking Mecca would only guarantee that we get hit again and it would have no impact on the terrorists other than to increase their support among Muslims in general.
I don't understand the logic behind killing thousands of people in retaliation for an attack that they had no part in carrying out. We are not at war with Muslims (which Bush himself has said on many occaisions), just a fanatical faction of that religion.
The whole idea reminds me of the Collective Responsibility policy that the Nazis had in regard to Jews.

[Mr.Vicchio]

Everytime the USA does ANYTHING against the Terrorist, all we hear is that "OMG you can't do that, you'll cause more terrorist!"


Uhm... so to we shouldnn't do anything but let them have their way?

Guess it's time to point east and start praying.

[Dieval]

Quote by: Pooeypants Exactly, if they have no right to harm our cities then what right do we to do the same?

So it comes down to they can hit our cities because they don't care about rights and we have to sit back and take what they dishout because we do?

[ericsp23]

So basically you are justifying a nuclear attack on Mecca just because its something to do? We have to kill a bunch of people just because a bunch of Americans got killed? That makes no logical sense whatsoever.

Terrorists do not have a right to hit our cities. If they do then we need to hunt them down and destroy them. That is the only effective way to fight these people.

[Mr.Vicchio]

Millions of Americans die in a nuclear attack... and your opinionis we should... hunt some caves.

Yeah that says "hit us agian please, we didn't get the picture the first time"

[castille]

So if 1 American guy murders a Muslim, should New York be nuked?

That's exactly what you're saying, Vicchio/Dieval.

[Mr.Vicchio]

Quote by: castille So if 1 American guy murders a Muslim, should New York be nuked? That's exactly what you're saying, Vicchio/Dieval.

Uhm..

For the record, this is one of the most absurd comments EVER posted on Volconvo.


Anyway, the subject question was "What do we do if an Islamic Terrorist Nuked a US City?"

My answer was to pre-empt such an attack by choosing a significant target to the holy Jihadist, and make it clear that if they were to employ a nuke against us, we would be forced to retaliate in kind. Wipe out Mecca.

Now this caused all kinds of hand wringing and gnashing of teeth by the pacifist whom, were we to follow thier advice we'd all be under Sharia Law and praying to Mecca 6 times a day.

Fortuanantly, our leaders are made of sterner stuff then that.

But then Castille makes this comment. I am nto sure just how a single death = retalitory nuking, but I am not surprised that you took the terrorist side.

Stalin had a name for those on int he USA that worked to undermine the USA and bring about global Socialism because they believed in it. I think that applies today, and mostly to the left wingers in the west.

[castille]

You said if a single Muslim terrorist attacks an American, we should nuke Mecca.

Mecca is essentially the New York for Muslims.

Therefor, by your logic, if Americans murder Muslims, then New York should be nuked.

[RVonse]

Quote by: Mr.Vicchio You guys act like we'd nuke Mecca for no reason. Nuke Mecca if some radical Islamic's nuked us FIRST. The blame would lie on them, not us.

I almost hate to admit this but I find myself to be in complete agreement with Mr. Vicchio which is not that often.

He did not say blow up the entire middle east, he just said we nuke Mecca if they nuke one of our cities. Only after they strike first and its only a one for one ratio where they also get the benefit of a one hour evacuation. It sounds reasonable to me.

Realistically how else would you expect to maintain an effective deterant from people who want our destruction?

[Zeebadee]

Quote by: Mr.Vicchio Uhm.. For the record, this is one of the most absurd comments EVER posted on Volconvo.

And your plan is undoubtedly the stupidest post I have seen. You'd make even the enemies of Islam want to nuke an American city. How many different groups would be trying to nuke us if they thought they could get us to attack Mecca in retaliation? You'd even make us targets of our "allies" the Israeli's.

[asterix404]

There is only one porblem. Mecca isn't important to any Jihadist. Don't you understand that they don't give 2 shits about any religion... There is no city... the terrorists don't have a city. If the US or Eurpoe or any city in the world gets nuked what happens? NOTHING! Absolutly nothing... And here is why. Nuking anyplace is bad form... it's horrable tragic and kills everyone. This is unanimusly the worst thing that has/can ever happen to the world ever in the hisotry of man. Every coutnry agrees to this... even Iran. I don't think Iran would want to have a nuklear war. NK wouldn't... kim may be nuts but he doesn't want it to happen. There will be a world war. This war will start in america and it's alies. Any country that sides with terrorists is obliterated. The world will realize that this is now a horrid event and that Jihadists are not spirtual or that they do anything good or that they are special. Terrorists will be seen as monsers and dogs, anyone who suports any form of terror will die. There will no borders and this will be an open war. It will be so spuressive and world wide that our civil liberties will be cut drasticly. The ACLU will shut up and take it. There will be martial law throughout the world or that coutnry will die. Everyone in that country... inocents children whatever... And the world will permit it and it will forever be remembered and there will be no more terrorists, no more funding. There will hoepfully be no more nukes... but that wouldn't be a while after.

You can not blow up mecca becasue it wouldn't afect the terrorists. They will not care or they will use it against us just like the human shileds. Poltically we take it, we say that their deaths are not invaine, yet even in the wake of disaster we hold true to our beliefes. We get the world to say, holy shit thats power. We get EVERYONE to agree that terrorism is bad, and everyone kills all terrorists in cold blood in front of tv. You do not give them homes, you do not give them food... you find them and kill them. It will be world wide. This is my prediction... hopefully it will happen before a nuke but I don't see any polotical motivation that could win the support of every country, or the support and blessing to do whatever is nessacary to destroy terrorists.

[Matt W]

Mr V, I really don't understand why you're so eager to threaten to kill thousands of innocents. That's exactly what the terrorists do. It's sick, it's stupid, and you'll get slapped so hard in the Middle East and Asia you'll be reeling for years to come. You really think any Muslim government is going to sit there and take that kind of crap?

[Mr.Vicchio]

Quote by: Matt W Mr V, I really don't understand why you're so eager to threaten to kill thousands of innocents. That's exactly what the terrorists do. It's sick, it's stupid, and you'll get slapped so hard in the Middle East and Asia you'll be reeling for years to come. You really think any Muslim government is going to sit there and take that kind of crap?

Do anyone of you have a better plan?

All I hear is "You can't do that, you'll make them hate us!!"


So what then? Hmm? Osama IS a muslim, and despite what Astrix thinks, their goal is to spread Islam across the globe. One of the major tenents of Isalm is to make a pilgrimage to Mecca before you die, without which your chances of reaching Paradise are slim to none.

Now, Matt, you missed what I said I will repeat.

We make it PUBLIC KNOWLEDGE that a terrorist nuke used against a US city will invoke a nuke used against Mecca.

We would give a 1 hour warning to the people there to evacuate (if we made it public knowledge the moment the news hit the world a nuke WAS used against us they would high tial it out of there anyway).

What would this do?

There are those that say it would cause the Muslim world to hate us, to sign up for jihad and help destroy us.

I think the lesson of Churchhill has been lost on this generation, the only thing we have to fear, is fear itself. Learn that people.

What WOULD happen is simple, the islamic jihadist would be told in no uncertain terms by their own "people" that this is unacceptable, their support would dry up. Jihad is all fine and dandy as long as it doesnt' threaten the very core of Islam. Such an action like a nuke in Down Town USA WOULD.

But aside my suggestion, Matt W, or anyoen else, aside surrendering to the Jihadist as you all seem ready to do, what would YOU do to keep millions of Americans from being turned into radioactive dust (or better say the target was in your home country)