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Libertarian · Jun 7, 2005, 04:43 pm

There is no way that we are going to leave. The US Military says that there is now about 40,000+ iraqi troops and we have kept our levels the same. Even if for every two iraqi one american came home, we would already have brought home 20,000 troops. Instead, the US Military is setting up military bases that are ment for the long term and will not leave.

Gilligan · Jun 7, 2005, 04:59 pm

Halliburton was contracted by the government for ten years, with an open ceiling on how the amount it charged to provide troops during that time. Tell me that this war is about anything but Halliburton and companies like it. When the consideration for the company is the amount of time it gets to feed troops in a war, and not about how much money it wants for the food; I'd like to know what our consideration is in this contract between Cheney's former employer and us the tax payers. Has anyone figured that part out yet?

Libertarian · Jun 7, 2005, 05:01 pm

You said Cheney's former employer. Well, he is not employed by them, but holds a lot of stock in them. That is why he doesnt want to have them get a bad image b/c it could hurt his stocks. And b/c as VP he cannot touch the money till he is out of the White house, he needs to keep it up until he is out of office. That is 4 years!

grandpa · Jun 7, 2005, 06:01 pm

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You said Cheney's former employer. Well, he is not employed by them, but holds a lot of stock in them. That is why he doesnt want to have them get a bad image b/c it could hurt his stocks. And b/c as VP he cannot touch the money till he is out of the White house, he needs to keep it up until he is out of office. That is 4 years!

Eventually, though, a given administration probably won't even care how it looks to have such conflicts of interest. America will increase its corporate mentality.

Grandpa h.

rmnunez · Jun 8, 2005, 01:13 am

If Halliburton has a 10 year contract, then that must mean the US will have to remain running things in Iraq with 140 thousand troops for that long.

grandpa · Jun 8, 2005, 12:42 pm

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If Halliburton has a 10 year contract, then that must mean the US will have to remain running things in Iraq with 140 thousand troops for that long.

It certainly could be a decade or more, and who knows what will happen in that time?

Grandpa h.

rmnunez · Jun 9, 2005, 12:26 am

I'd expect the US to be in Iraq for more than 10 years, but not because Halliburton got a contract that contemplates performance over a decade -though I'd expect circumstances would excuse their performance if the US withdrew sooner. How much was the Halliburton contract worth, a few billion? It must have been costly, but its just one of many contracts. The question would be whether the US would remain engaged in Iraq just to make sure they got what they bargained for with Halliburton and other contractors. Somehow I doubt it.

grandpa · Jun 9, 2005, 05:42 pm

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I'd expect the US to be in Iraq for more than 10 years, but not because Halliburton got a contract that contemplates performance over a decade -though I'd expect circumstances would excuse their performance if the US withdrew sooner. How much was the Halliburton contract worth, a few billion? It must have been costly, but its just one of many contracts. The question would be whether the US would remain engaged in Iraq just to make sure they got what they bargained for with Halliburton and other contractors. Somehow I doubt it.

But you see, with a privatized government like ours, this Halliburton scenario, as crazy as it sounds, is possible. Just like going to war for material goods or petty ideological differences, as crazy as it sounds, is possible.

Grandpa h.

ibm · Jun 9, 2005, 05:55 pm

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But you see, with a privatized government like ours, this Halliburton scenario, as crazy as it sounds, is possible. Just like going to war for material goods or petty ideological differences, as crazy as it sounds, is possible.

Grandpa h.

you mean, it has already ocurred, right?

grandpa · Jun 9, 2005, 07:43 pm

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you mean, it has already ocurred, right?

I was kind of using sarcasm. I know war profiteers are out there, because that's what greedy people do...they profit from anything, even war.
It happens everywhere and I personally see it as evil.

Grandpa h.

rmnunez · Jun 10, 2005, 02:02 am

If war-profiteers guided US foreign policy, wouldn't WW2 still be going on?

grandpa · Jun 10, 2005, 02:28 pm

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If war-profiteers guided US foreign policy, wouldn't WW2 still be going on?

Not necessarily. But War Profiteers do step into it as they did before, during and after WWII. The US has been involved in wars quite heavily and that is a CHOICE which some people obviously get money for.

Grandpa h.

asterix404 · Jun 10, 2005, 10:52 pm

THe funny thing though and this has not happend in this war and I don't know why... normally war profitears make tons of money, but the economy hasn't improved. In WWII that is what got the US and the rest of the world out of a horrable depression. This isn't nearly as bad but normally war is awsome for the eco. I mean giving haliburton billions is pennies unfortunatly compaired to the amount we have spent. What have we bought? I mean 100 billion dollars is a lot. What have we bought from it?

rmnunez · Jun 13, 2005, 02:43 am

Some have suggested Bush's post 911 interventionism stems from an effort to jump-start the US economy (which wasn't very buoyant back then). The US economy is doing pretty well, despite the dollar's devaluation with respect to the Euro.

GodBlessAmerica · Aug 24, 2005, 03:47 pm

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Military justice is to justice what military music is to music.
– Groucho Marx

Cheney: Iraq War to End by 2009:
http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/05/30/cheney.iraq/index.html

Basra Out of Control, Says Police Chief:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story...495800,00.html

Bush Blasts Amnesty Report on Guantanamo:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8046041/

Pakistan Mob Burns KFC Restaurant After Mosque Blast, 11 Killed:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8040422/

I think we will be out of Iraq for the most part within 18 months and then will be probably in Iran or if it busts out N. Korea.

Sonart · Aug 24, 2005, 05:44 pm

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Cheney: Iraq War to End by 2009:

:) And we all know how well Cheney has done on his predicitions so far.

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**Chris** · Aug 25, 2005, 08:04 am

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I think we will be out of Iraq for the most part within 18 months and then will be probably in Iran or if it busts out N. Korea.

don't you mean you wish we would pull out in 18 months and then you wish we would go into Iran?

To set a pull out date is to set us up for failure. Jay Garner told the BBC on Radio 4 a few days ago.

righthand · Aug 25, 2005, 11:18 am

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I think we will be out of Iraq for the most part within 18 months and then will be probably in Iran or if it busts out N. Korea.

The US never intends leaving Iraq, ever.

GodBlessAmerica · Aug 27, 2005, 04:03 am

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don't you mean you wish we would pull out in 18 months and then you wish we would go into Iran?

To set a pull out date is to set us up for failure. Jay Garner told the BBC on Radio 4 a few days ago.

I think there WILL BE A NEED to deal with Iran.
Just last month I found out about Iranian terrorist near me who were planning terror in the United States and they were HERE.

IMO, with the new President being a former hostage taker of Americans who had previously tried to execute various leaders of other nations, I can see where Iran moves to the top of the list soon.

What I would like is for Islam to handle all their own radical terrorists and to leave us and the rest of the world alone, but to this point they have been lacking IMO.

belverron · Aug 27, 2005, 04:13 am

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To set a pull out date is to set us up for failure.

Perhaps, but if Iraq can't handle itself by 2009 it won't be able to do so in the forseeable future.

Jun 7, 2005, 04:43 pm	#21 (permalink) (top)
Libertarian Thats Me Location: Where Am I Again?!?! Posts: 177	There is no way that we are going to leave. The US Military says that there is now about 40,000+ iraqi troops and we have kept our levels the same. Even if for every two iraqi one american came home, we would already have brought home 20,000 troops. Instead, the US Military is setting up military bases that are ment for the long term and will not leave. "Remember, democracy never lasts long. It soon wastes, exhausts, and murders itself. There never was a democracy yet that did not commit suicide." – John Adams

Jun 7, 2005, 04:59 pm	#22 (permalink) (top)
Gilligan Molten Ash Posts: 104	Halliburton was contracted by the government for ten years, with an open ceiling on how the amount it charged to provide troops during that time. Tell me that this war is about anything but Halliburton and companies like it. When the consideration for the company is the amount of time it gets to feed troops in a war, and not about how much money it wants for the food; I'd like to know what our consideration is in this contract between Cheney's former employer and us the tax payers. Has anyone figured that part out yet? "Terrorism is the best political weapon for nothing drives people harder than a fear of sudden death." - Adolf Hitler

Jun 7, 2005, 05:01 pm	#23 (permalink) (top)
Libertarian Thats Me Location: Where Am I Again?!?! Posts: 177	You said Cheney's former employer. Well, he is not employed by them, but holds a lot of stock in them. That is why he doesnt want to have them get a bad image b/c it could hurt his stocks. And b/c as VP he cannot touch the money till he is out of the White house, he needs to keep it up until he is out of office. That is 4 years! "Remember, democracy never lasts long. It soon wastes, exhausts, and murders itself. There never was a democracy yet that did not commit suicide." – John Adams

Jun 9, 2005, 12:26 am	#27 (permalink) (top)
rmnunez Volcanic Erupter Location: Mexico City Posts: 4,772	I'd expect the US to be in Iraq for more than 10 years, but not because Halliburton got a contract that contemplates performance over a decade -though I'd expect circumstances would excuse their performance if the US withdrew sooner. How much was the Halliburton contract worth, a few billion? It must have been costly, but its just one of many contracts. The question would be whether the US would remain engaged in Iraq just to make sure they got what they bargained for with Halliburton and other contractors. Somehow I doubt it. Last edited by rmnunez; Jun 9, 2005 at 12:30 am.

Jun 8, 2005, 01:13 am	#25 (permalink) (top)
rmnunez Volcanic Erupter Location: Mexico City Posts: 4,772	If Halliburton has a 10 year contract, then that must mean the US will have to remain running things in Iraq with 140 thousand troops for that long.

Jun 10, 2005, 02:02 am	#31 (permalink) (top)
rmnunez Volcanic Erupter Location: Mexico City Posts: 4,772	If war-profiteers guided US foreign policy, wouldn't WW2 still be going on?

Jun 10, 2005, 10:52 pm	#33 (permalink) (top)
asterix404 Igneous Magma Posts: 257	THe funny thing though and this has not happend in this war and I don't know why... normally war profitears make tons of money, but the economy hasn't improved. In WWII that is what got the US and the rest of the world out of a horrable depression. This isn't nearly as bad but normally war is awsome for the eco. I mean giving haliburton billions is pennies unfortunatly compaired to the amount we have spent. What have we bought? I mean 100 billion dollars is a lot. What have we bought from it?

Jun 13, 2005, 02:43 am	#34 (permalink) (top)
rmnunez Volcanic Erupter Location: Mexico City Posts: 4,772	Some have suggested Bush's post 911 interventionism stems from an effort to jump-start the US economy (which wasn't very buoyant back then). The US economy is doing pretty well, despite the dollar's devaluation with respect to the Euro.