Don't we need higher taxes nowadays?

[Technosoul]

Raising the tax rate is unpopular with voters and most polititions are big wimps when it comes to calling for more taxes.

So I will do it. Let's face reality, everything is crumbling under foot due to lack of funding. The public schools are way underfunded. The emergency centers are struggling to stay afloat. The police departments claim they need more manpower and better equipment. Habor security is not getting much money moved in their direction. And many social services are being cut back money wise. The only way take care of business where funding is lacking (other then eliminating the military expendatures) is with more (higher) taxes, that is the only way they can pay for what is needed.

Are we going to allow our American public offices to become shanty towns? Or will we take pride in our country and chip in with some extra bucks at tax time.

We cannot depend upon the greedy fat cats to share their wealth so it is up to us the common folks to foot the bill. We should organize and demand more taxes so that we can once more have a great America.

Whatcha' Think?
Technosoul.

[moustache]

Id pay a few more extra bucks a year...

but exactly how much money are you supposing on taxing?

[Technosoul]

Not sure how much a day we spend on wars but it is a lot. We should at least spend as much for constructive things that would be helpful to Americans. But do not want to shock anyone because the military is consuming so much of the budget (to be paid for in later generations) that many poorer tax payers are stressed to the limit already.

So how about $2.00 a year for anyone earning 12,000 or under. $10.00 a year for anyone earning more then 12 but under 40 thousand a year. And $50.00 bucks a year for those with larger incomes then already noted. With millions of people involved that would add up to enough to fund schools, fire and police departments, and social services. But of course that is just and estimation which is not based any figures about amounts that I was able to totally reseach.

I do not think they should tax special interest groups like gas users or smokers to raise money via sin taxes by making them look like the bad guys, but regular income taxes only.

Also I think we should give Iraq a choice, get their house in order or we will pay for our continued task forces with their oil profits. That would take some of the weight off the taxpayers. If they hamper the reconsturction in Irag we can use the money to reconstuct our county.

But the important point is we cannot stand by and watch our emergency rooms close down and watch our public schools fail, nor can we create another depression by closing down public services for the needy. We must bring back the dream and the promise that we will be the greatest country in the world, for one and all. People like Anrold S. of California get into office and they think the important thing is to save the government by maintaining the budget, by dowsizing what the common people need. It is not about saving the governmental budget it is about saving or way of life as a country that demonstrates compassion and is willing to invest in the future through education. A country where poverty does not dominate but is overcome with some of the wealth this nation was blessed with having.

If we elect the right people we can have a voice through the paying of taxes, money talks. (that is my soapbox opinion).

Technosoul.

[belverron]

I can't help but agree with you, Technosoul. I'm from Texas, and we're about to have another school finance reform thrown out by the court system. Do you know the sad thing? They keep changing the method by which they're allocating the money, but as I understand it, that's not the problem. They're simply not giving them enough. I wish I didn't live in the state that perfected the unfunded mandate -_-

[moustache]

well I think I could pay 50 dollars more a year for my country. I dont agree about not taxing smokers though. If they want to kill themselves then they might as well pay to do it.

Quote by: Technosoul But the important point is we cannot stand by and watch our emergency rooms close down and watch our public schools fail, nor can we create another depression by closing down public services for the needy. We must bring back the dream and the promise that we will be the greatest country in the world, for one and all. People like Anrold S. of California get into office and they think the important thing is to save the government by maintaining the budget, by dowsizing what the common people need. It is not about saving the governmental budget it is about saving or way of life as a country that demonstrates compassion and is willing to invest in the future through education. A country where poverty does not dominate but is overcome with some of the wealth this nation was blessed with having.

well put, let the 50 dollar tax begin.

[Mr.Vicchio]

How about set up a "tax me more fund" for those that feel the government needs more money?

[moustache]

even better, lol, im not sure how many would contribute to that fund though. :)

[PatrickHenry]

No, Technosoul! Taxes are plenty high enough for everything the Feds are supposed to do. They have just bit off more than they can chew. I'm for less taxes and less spending. Especially on wars and corporate welfare. Those things REALLY suck...

[gr8fuldaniel]

End the wars, fire the recruiters, cut pentagon budget in half. Tax the rich. End the slavery of an unfair minimum wage.

[tman_ndsu08]

This is what I don't like about taxes in principle: when someone complains that there aren't enough taxes and they're raised, EVERYONE has to pay!


To those who want more taxes: organize yourselfs and YOU pay for it! Leave those who don't want higher taxes out of it!


Bel,

you don't like your public school? How about sending your kid to a private school?!



Stop trying to steal my money away from me!!!

[moustache]

Even 50 dollars a year(or less)? It would solve alot of problems.

[tman_ndsu08]

Throwing more money at the problems doesn't solve them.

The problem is spending too much on non essential things. Reduce spending in meaningful ways.

[moustache]

Quote by: tman_ndsu08 Throwing more money at the problems doesn't solve them.

really? I think it does.

Quote by: tman_ndsu08 The problem is spending too much on non essential things.

So school, hospitals, police departments etc. are non-essential.

Quote by: tman_ndsu08 Reduce spending in meaningful ways.

Its only 10-50 dollars.

[tman_ndsu08]

No, it doesn't. It just creates more nonessential spending.

And what I meant by nonessential spending was not the overall functions themselves but the nonessential spending that goes on inside each function. For example, a fire department that spends a lot of money for a fancy high tech infrared visual system that it doesn need. Etc.

[Technosoul]

Some have suggested that those who want better schools should donate money and leave the rest of alone. That is what special interest groups do to bribe the politics but I am not in favor of such actions. Governments and what they operate is paid for by taxes and religions are run off of donations. Let's not blur the line between them.

If you want your kids to attend private schools I don't care, but our public schools should be as well funded and able to do as good a job as any private school.

If the fire departments or their political "homeland security" managers are spending money for useless technology then that is because they had a poor education in our public schools, so you see we've got to solve this problem so we do not fall behind other nations. And also because we elect poorly educated people to be out President who cannot even see the value of science or technology as the wave for future success.

Technosoul.

[Chalk]

I suppose it depends on what the taxes should be spent on, and what they actually are. Perhaps if the situation of the country was thoroughly assessed, then spending 'here' could be deemed unecessary, whereas spending 'there' would be seen as needed badly. Perhaps the issue isn't the amount, but what is done with it? Though of course higher taxes may help, but then you could argue this would have a knock-on effect on the economy if people have less disposable income etc etc. The bottom line is that we aren't running a country so we can't say anything for sure, though I'm sure some of you will be highly opinionated, and perhaps even convinced that you have solutions. I don't. What I can say is that I agree with Technosoul that every child is entitled to a decent education, regardless of how minted daddy is, and that the domestic essentials (education, housing, healthcare, investment in new industries) should be seen as priorities.

[tman_ndsu08]

Perhaps the issue isn't the amount, but what is done with it?

Exactly right. Wasteful over spending is practically the MO of all government agencies. They claim they have a right to spend what they please to get the things they need. Bullcrap!

Perhaps the issue isn't the amount, but what is done with it?

The hell they are! No one is entitled to anything they can't pay for. Do you also thing everyone is entitled to a big screen in the living room and a sports car in the garage?! HA!

If you're too poor to afford education, then borrow the money. Or try to earn a scholarship. Or perhaps a charity will help you.

If you still can't afford it, then I'm sorry but more than likely you wouldn't amount to anything other than a drug dealer in the first place. People are poor for a reason: bad genetics.

[Chalk]

Silly goose, you quoted the wrong bit I assume you meant the kids and education bit- to which I say there should be a decent standard of education for all- this benefits the country, does it not? But if you're paying private, you'd expect straight A's!

[tman_ndsu08]

this benefits the country, does it not?

Something to ponder, indeed!

Does it actually help us? My answer: NO! It drives up the cost of labor!
If your labor force is all college educated (and you know that the colleges will simply take their money and spit them out with passing grades), they'll all have false hopes to have high paying professional careers when the fact is that only the top minds in the country can achieve this.

Our country would benefit from having an uneducated blue collar work force that would drive down the costs of labor so we could compete with countries like China and India once again.

[Osborn F Enready]

T-Man, Patrick, I agree.

You people in here who are crying about wanting more taxation, AREN'T crying because you can't track the tax dollars already being mis-spent.

This tells me these people are making too much money, and not being taxed enough due to Bush's tax cuts. I agree, you wealthy folk should be taxed more, but it should be voluntary since you have money to burn anyway.

What would be best, would be people paying for their own, and DONATING what they can afford instead of FORCING ALL to pay, especially those who can't afford to.

Taxation is government theft if the services and property can't be verified by public overwatch. This entails government accountability, something we have been missing for many, MANY years.

No more money, but expect more accountability. That would be right, or at least a good start toward right and what was intended.