Don't we need higher taxes nowadays?

[Chalk]

You make me smile. Of course the 'top minds in the country' are the only people who should get the top jobs- of course it may not always be the case if you have friends in high places etc. But, I said decent standard- as in basic grasp of, well, the basics. You don't want your retail workers giving out too much change! lol.
The college education thing is actually a good point- I'm going to University in September for academic reasons, but now it's just the thing to do- not necessarily about grades and such, as long as they get, as you say 'spat out' with a 'passing grade'. Which put bluntly, pisses me off. But I'd define this as 'further education' anywho, not a decent national average. Plus people could be taught to develop more practical skills or whatever, rather than everyone being encouraged to take Physics and maths. Plus, there are always people that slip through systems, creating your 'blue collar workforce', but is it ethically right to exploit the less fortunate? I'll leave that 'YES!! Of course!' with you

[moustache]

Quote by: tman_ndsu08 And what I meant by nonessential spending was not the overall functions themselves but the nonessential spending that goes on inside each function. For example, a fire department that spends a lot of money for a fancy high tech infrared visual system that it doesn need. Etc.

If the infrared system saves lives, why wouldnt you want it to be in the fire fighters hands?

and its only 10-50 dollars more a year people, cmon.

[Osborn F Enready]

So donate mine, and I WONT use the service.

[Chris]

Quote by: Mr.Vicchio How about set up a "tax me more fund" for those that feel the government needs more money?

They already do that in MA

[tman_ndsu08]

Quote by: Chalk is it ethically right to exploit the less fortunate?

That depends how you define exploit.

[Zeebadee]

Yeah, right, we need to tax the common people more so that the ruling elite can maintain their high standard of living. Congress has already set up the best of every perk for themselves, including automatic pay raises and the best health insurance that our money can buy. They use our tax money to buy themselves votes, and some people are even voluntering to pay more taxes!! Amazing. $200 billion+ being spent in Iraq for a phony "war on terrorism" could improve a lot of schools. And what about all the individual projects that are funded every year by politicians handing out taxpayer money to make themselves look good? The federal government already gets much too much money from us to ask for any more. May everyone that advocates a tax increase suffer from festering boils on their asses and privates.

http://www.cagw.org/site/PageServer?...arrel_Spending

[Imudman]

Here's a novel idea: How about, if you feel you don't pay enough taxes, you voluntarily donate extra $$ to the government? That way you can do your part (as you percieve it) and at the same time look down your nose at all the peons who are not good citizens...

[castille]

How about instead of charging the regular joe more taxes, we:

1) Reduce the salary of politicians (if they love their job, they won't mind right?)

2) Reduce the perks of politicians (make them pay for their own limos!)

3) Reduce government inefficiency instead of encouraging it

4) Stop spending so much money on useless things that the country doesn't need

5) Make politicians pay taxes

[tman_ndsu08]

The tax system simply eed to be restructured.

Neal Boortz authored a book on what is called the "fair tax". Basically, you absolve all taxes except a nation wide, flat retail tax on all items sold. This, he claims, would bring in up to 11 trillion dollars that is currently excaping our tax system.

Seems quite reasonable to me.

[moustache]

how much is he saying this "flat tax" should be?

[Technosoul]

moustacne - Well I was glad to hear you were will to have an extra $50 added to your tax bill if it would make America great again. Others posting do not want extra taxes and do to some loopeholes they wiggled out of paying their fair share just like our rich cooperations do. At my last count three people will not carry their share of the weight and so that means we must depend on you as the one paying the extra taxes. Let me add it all up, 3 times $50 is $150. and so your new tax bill will be $200. Sorry about that, such is life in our tax system.

Technosoul.

[caspian88]

HR 25 is in Congress right now. It repeals the income tax and other stuff and established a 23% sales tax on most goods. I wrote an analysis on it:

http://www.forums.mlb.com/ml-mlb/messages?msg=44497.5

Yeah, it's a bizzare place to have written it, but whatever.

As for taxation, most of the things the government is doing are blatantly illegal. The federal government is not allowed to fund schools in any way. The SS (Social security) is illegal, as is Medicare and Madicaid. If the feds would actual obey the law, we'd have a surplus of several hundred billion.

[tman_ndsu08]

Quote by: Technosoul moustacne - Well I was glad to hear you were will to have an extra $50 added to your tax bill if it would make America great again. Others posting do not want extra taxes and do to some loopeholes they wiggled out of paying their fair share just like our rich cooperations do. At my last count three people will not carry their share of the weight and so that means we must depend on you as the one paying the extra taxes. Let me add it all up, 3 times $50 is $150. and so your new tax bill will be $200. Sorry about that, such is life in our tax system. Technosoul.

Exactly right. Our tax system is the theif.

If we simply (and only) taxed the things that people buy, there'd be no way of excaping taxes.

[Samildanach]

Exactly and everyone would be taxed proportionally as well. Its the perfect tax system.

[Lou Minotti]

Quote by: Mr.Vicchio How about set up a "tax me more fund" for those that feel the government needs more money?

Ha! That's a great idea. My guess is these people aren't econ majors. Throwing money at government never does anything. If you want to give away your labor GO AHEAD. Count me out...

[moustache]

Quote by: Lou Minotti If you want to give away your labor GO AHEAD. Count me out...

How much money do you make an hour? lets say you made 20-60 dollars an hour...depending on how much you made, you could have the tax payed of in about 1 or 2 hours.

1 or 2 hours out of a year which has 8760 hours in it doesnt seem like it would be too much to ask.

[Technosoul]

I was just thinking about how the government gets money, lobby groups not included.

We got income and sales taxes we some say can amount to about 30 percent of our income if you are in the middle to lower brackets. (that is a mild guess).

Then we have the sin taxes. They raise money by allowing gambling and lotto games in some states. On top of that both cities and states have countless reasons you need to pay a fee or buy a permit to do just about anything from fishing to building a house. As icying on the cake we have the police department and courts purposely raising money with tickets and fines.

When I reached retirement age they withdrew about 30 bucks a month out of that income for medicare services but did not issue a card automatically, those deductions continued but I never went down to sign up because so far I do not need doctors or prescription drugs, now someone told me I could get charged a fine if I do not sign up after a certain amount of time.

All total I estimate or guess that middle to low income people are paying about 60 percent of their earnings from working for taxes, fees, and fines. And you thought slavery went out with Abe, that is 60 percent of the time we work for free to support Uncle Sam, the man. Then are innsulted to here our governement cannot properly fund fire departments... ee-gads.

And the payout does not stop with taxes fees and fines, they also pass laws that force us to buy things like it or not. Such as helmets if you ride a bike.

My gripe list could go on and on. We voted for Anorld here in Ca because he was going to save the budget by standing up to speical interest groups, but he did not stand up to the energy power companies and what-have-you but instead attacked the unions, firemen, nurses, teachers, and Native Americans. We got hoodwinked big time by his missrepersentation of intent.

It would seem by all the talk from Washington that we do need to riase the taxes (sooner or later) because they got us billions in debt already with the war for oil. I am glad to hear some alternative suggestions that would counter act raising the taxes ,,, now if we can only find someone to vote for who comprehends your ideas and will put them into action.

Technosoul.

[Mr.Vicchio]

Quote by: Lou Minotti Ha! That's a great idea. My guess is these people aren't econ majors. Throwing money at government never does anything. If you want to give away your labor GO AHEAD. Count me out...

Arkansas did this a few years back after the elitstist in the house demanded higher taxes.

Guess what? Hardly anyone sent in money.

[Lou Minotti]

How much money do you make an hour? lets say you made 20-60 dollars an hour... depending on how much you made, you could have the tax payed of in about 1 or 2 hours. 1 or 2 hours out of a year which has 8760 hours in it doesnt seem like it would be too much to ask.

Huh? First off, I don't make NEAR that much money. Second, this doesn't make any sense.

[moustache]

Quote by: Lou Minotti Huh? First off, I don't make NEAR that much money. Second, this doesn't make any sense.

It makes perfect sense...

ok, lets say you make 15 dollars an hour... a year you would make 35,000 dollars a year approximately. this woud put you in the "under 40,000 section"....the tax is then 10$ a year.

only 10$ a year.