Bush Caught In A Major Lie

[[ÄK]LËGÖLÄS]

http://www.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0112/04/se.04.html
QUESTION: One thing, Mr. President, is that you have no idea how much you've done for this country, and another thing is that how did you feel when you heard about the terrorist attack?

BUSH: Well...

(APPLAUSE)

Thank you, Jordan (ph).

Well, Jordan (ph), you're not going to believe what state I was in when I heard about the terrorist attack. I was in Florida. And my chief of staff, Andy Card -- actually I was in a classroom talking about a reading program that works. And I was sitting outside the classroom waiting to go in, and I saw an airplane hit the tower -- the TV was obviously on, and I use to fly myself, and I said, "There's one terrible pilot." And I said, "It must have been a horrible accident."

But I was whisked off there -- I didn't have much time to think about it, and I was sitting in the classroom, and Andy Card, my chief who was sitting over here walked in and said, "A second plane has hit the tower. America's under attack."

And Jordan (ph), I wasn't sure what to think at first. You know, I grew up in a period of time where the idea of America being under attack never entered my mind -- just like your daddy and mother's mind probably. And I started thinking hard in that very brief period of time about what it meant to be under attack. I knew that when I got all the facts that we were under attack, there would be hell to pay for attacking America.




WELL ...There is a problem with the above statement. There was no live video
coverage of the first plane hitting the tower. There couldn't be. Video of
that first plane hitting the tower did not surface until AFTER the second
plane had hit.
Bush is lying through his teeth here.
Even though Bush is not a very good pilot (he was taken off of flight status
for failure to take a medical exam which included a drug test), it would be
silly to assume that a passenger jet hitting the WTC in clear weather was
pilot error. The only other known impact between an aircraft and a New York
skyscraper was when a military airplane crashed into the Empire State
Building in a heavy fog. Because of that incident, there are mandatory
altitude minimums over the island. If Bush really did see an airplane on TV
hitting the World Trade Towers, then he saw that the aircraft was under
control at the time.
And, it must be remembered that even after andy informed Bush of the second
impact, and by his own admission Bush knew we were being attacked, he
continued to read to the classroom full of children.
Just think about that for a while.

[Sodfather]

What are you getting at? There was footage of the first plane hitting...I'm quite sure.

And you say he continued reading to the children like it was a crime...Maybe he didn't want to scare the shit out of anyone by sprinting out of the room or something...

Weird topic. :?

[RebelWithanAK]

There wasn't any video of the first plane hitting until several hours into the incident. Bush stayed and talked to the kids in order not to instill panic (but that's kinda dumb since it's not as if they wouldn't find out anyway), and now he's looking to save face with a bunch of lies on a presumably innocuous sequence of events that day. What we should be more concerned about is his subsequent disappearance for a couple days while others (even republican bastard others) were on the scene almost immediately...

[[ÄK]LËGÖLÄS]

Originally posted by Sodfather@Sep 7 2003, 09:01 PM What are you getting at? There was footage of the first plane hitting...I'm quite sure. And you say he continued reading to the children like it was a crime...Maybe he didn't want to scare the shit out of anyone by sprinting out of the room or something... Weird topic. :?

umm buddy..how the hell could he have seen the first plane. Noone saw footage of that first plane until much much later.

If what he said is true. He had to have been anticiapting the attack and seen it from the media room they had installed in the school.

The only other possibilty is that Bush is just outright lying. Either way he's still a piece of shit and needs to get impeached.

[GreatWyrm of Babylon]

Interesting that when I place parts of that "quote" into a search engine all I get is the same 3 radical groups. Not even CNN has the quote attributed to their reporter...

[Jim]

Here's a radical theory: maybe by saying "I saw the plane hit the tower" he actually meant, "I saw the results of the plane hitting the tower." CNN had video of the attack almost a minute after the first plane hit.

This is just semantics. It's not a lie. You're so far convinced of your views, Legolas, that you can only see how he can be guilty of conspiracy.

Someone could say about a car hitting another car at an intersection: "Yeah, I saw the accident." This could mean that they saw the cars hit each other, or that they saw the cars after they had hit each other. It doesn't mean that they stole the stop sign and caused the cars to crash.

[Johnson]

>>> Bush Caught In A Major Lie

"Bush caught in a major truth" would be discussion worthy.

[indierockboy]

bush hasn't been caught in anything. this is just another example of a man with poor public speaking skills. this isn't even worth jumping all over and yelling "conspiracy!". instead of looking for minute (and essentially worthless) incongruencies that extremist sites purport as proof of scandal, why don't you instead analyze the important actions of the man and draw real, meaningful conclusions? bush hasn't been caught in a "major lie" by any stretch of the imagination. if you're going to bush bash, at least have some semblance of a cogent point.

[rmnunez]

I recall this being discussed a while back elsewhere and it seems evident Bush did not learn of the crash from what he saw on TV as video was not broadcast until after he was whisked away from that classroom he was visiting. I remember there was video of someone slipping up to Bush and whispering in his ear abruptly cutting the event off and it was said that was when he was told about the first plane crash. It was then suggested the lack of expression indicated Bush's prior knowledge, but we really don't know what it was the fellow whispered (maybe all he said was "time to go Mr. President").

I also don't see how suggesting he saw it on TV would be some "major" transgression, maybe he thought it would make him seem closer to the public since that's how the rest of the world found out about it -on TV.

[Pooeypants]

Btw, is this the Legolas in DXMP?

Anyho, I don't think this is a lie, its probably that the Chimp in suit was caught off guard with that question, you know, he didn't have a speech ready made etc, and the fact that what he says usually borders on imbecilic...who cares now?
I mean ffs, a few years back he was talking about peace between Indians and Pakistanis...he called them "Pakis" right in front their face, which is a racist term.

[Sodfather]

Originally posted by [ÄK LËGÖLÄS,Sep 7 2003, 11:37 PM]umm buddy..how the hell could he have seen the first plane. Noone saw footage of that first plane until much much later. If what he said is true. He had to have been anticiapting the attack and seen it from the media room they had installed in the school. The only other possibilty is that Bush is just outright lying. Either way he's still a piece of shit and needs to get impeached.

"umm buddy.." That quote is kind of ambiguous being that he never says when he first heard about it; he's not saying he heard about it immediately or saw live coverage, so from what all of us are reading there isn't the huge deception that you talk of. Maybe he's a dumbass and he saw it an hour later, for all I know that could be his case from that little crap quote snippet which you posted.

[[ÄK]LËGÖLÄS]

Originally posted by Jim@Sep 8 2003, 02:44 AM Here's a radical theory: maybe by saying "I saw the plane hit the tower" he actually meant, "I saw the results of the plane hitting the tower." CNN had video of the attack almost a minute after the first plane hit. This is just semantics. It's not a lie. You're so far convinced of your views, Legolas, that you can only see how he can be guilty of conspiracy. Someone could say about a car hitting another car at an intersection: "Yeah, I saw the accident." This could mean that they saw the cars hit each other, or that they saw the cars after they had hit each other. It doesn't mean that they stole the stop sign and caused the cars to crash.

Well first of all this is just one of many reasons why i suspect a conspiracy. You might want to check out InfoWar's thread to see what i mean.

I'm not an irrational person. I am simply searching for truth. Sometimes i'm quick to beleive things but i'm also quick to change my mind and question things. So i have considered the scenerio that you proposed. However i have "head" not "confirmed" that Bush indeed admitted he saw the first plane.

[[ÄK]LËGÖLÄS]

Originally posted by Pooeypants@Sep 8 2003, 07:21 AM Btw, is this the Legolas in DXMP? Anyho, I don't think this is a lie, its probably that the Chimp in suit was caught off guard with that question, you know, he didn't have a speech ready made etc, and the fact that what he says usually borders on imbecilic...who cares now? I mean ffs, a few years back he was talking about peace between Indians and Pakistanis...he called them "Pakis" right in front their face, which is a racist term.

yeah it is. ..Is this Pooeypants[DSCB]??

[Eddie]

To say he saw the first airplane hit the tower doesn't necessarily mean there could be no truth to what he said. Yes the footage wasn't shown until a couple of hours later, but that's besides the point.

I didn't know about the attacks until both of the towers actually collapsed. But if my friend told me he saw when the first airplane hit, then he must have seen the flaming wreckage which was immediately broadcasted after the 1st airplane hit. (DUH). That's to say he actually saw the whole incident from the beginning, from when the 1st airplane hit, to the 2nd plane hitting, then watching the towers collapse.

get some common sense.

[GreatWyrm of Babylon]

This is the part I always like about public reactions, everyone demands that if you do not act just like they would to important news that you are dishonest. It is an annoyance of mine, because when I here something that disturbs me I tend to show no reaction whatsoever. For me it is a reflexive defense manuever, I do not want to broadcast, I want to be given time to think. I go on exactly as normal and find an excuse to leave early. But I have been basiclly forced to play act a time or two to keep from hurting some idiots feelings that does not know that that is the way I am. Does not seem to matter to the idiots that it is un-natural to me to react as they would.

[indierockboy]

Originally posted by GreatWyrm of Babylon@Sep 8 2003, 11:53 PM This is the part I always like about public reactions, everyone demands that if you do not act just like they would to important news that you are dishonest. It is an annoyance of mine, because when I here something that disturbs me I tend to show no reaction whatsoever. For me it is a reflexive defense manuever, I do not want to broadcast, I want to be given time to think. I go on exactly as normal and find an excuse to leave early. But I have been basiclly forced to play act a time or two to keep from hurting some idiots feelings that does not know that that is the way I am. Does not seem to matter to the idiots that it is un-natural to me to react as they would.

i'm with you on this one. i don't usually project my emotions outwards, and many times i have to fake a reaction so that people will believe that i care.

[[ÄK]LËGÖLÄS]

I think this claim is harder for you guys to beleive since most of you aren't ready to accept that Bush and other "powers in the know" of the US gov't might have had foreknowledge of the sept 11 attacks.

All i ask is that you look into it. And keep asking questions.

[Jim]

I did look into it. A lot. Read my post on the thread about the 9/11 conspiracy.

Infowars is very, very poor research and speculation. It's unscientific and counterproductive. There are plenty of real reasons that various leaders need to go to prison; there's no need to make up anything.

Here is a Skeptical Inquirer article on many 9/11 hoaxes. The first part deals with those who believe that the Pentagon wasn't hit by a plane, but rather a bomb of some sort. This is the kind of thinking that Infowars (and others like it) partake in.

CSICOP

My problem with conspiracy theorism is that questions are used as proof of something. Like saying about the Pentagon, "Why did they put sand on the ground if they weren't trying to cover something up?!" The question poses as logic, when in it's really just a lack of knowledge of the questioner. It's easy to make these statements because it just requires a little imagination and no effort. If you try and convince yourself of anything, you're gonna find evidence. If you're really trying to find an objective truth, you have to collect knowledge and then interpret, not the other way around.

[RebelWithanAK]

Sand: To smother potential secondary fires. Duh. =P I think it shows a lack of imagination overall, but plenty of paranoia. Too bad our government likes to feed a lot of paranoia.

[protoTypical]

Originally posted by GreatWyrm of Babylon@Sep 8 2003, 11:53 PM This is the part I always like about public reactions, everyone demands that if you do not act just like they would to important news that you are dishonest. It is an annoyance of mine, because when I here something that disturbs me I tend to show no reaction whatsoever. For me it is a reflexive defense manuever, I do not want to broadcast, I want to be given time to think. I go on exactly as normal and find an excuse to leave early.

Just how I am in those times, I was at home from school that day, playing yahoo pool and the guy I was playing told me around 9:20 something, he saw it on tv. That shows that there was footage almost immediatley. I Turned on the tv and saw it there too. I think Bush just didnt have a speech or anything and had to come up with something off the top of his head.