this is where the phrase slippery slope came from. It seems so innocent. Such a good idea! It only affects terrorists.....an erosion of our civil rights is an erosion of our civil rights. If this is how it SHOULD be and is CONSTITITIONAL why did it take us so long to think of it?
"...with like-minded people one cannot discuss. With like-minded people one can only participate in a church service, and you know how I feel about church services." Ayaan Hirsi Ali
its funny how you can imagien the patriot act becoming a bad bad thing
yet you give terrorists the benefit of the doubt
your husband ever hit you?
ask him for me
</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (gecko,)
its funny how you can imagien the patriot act becoming a bad bad thing
yet you give terrorists the benefit of the doubt
your husband ever hit you?
ask him for me<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'>
You are a freak - following me to this post and trying to relate the two? I never said to give the terrorists the benefit of the doubt. Exactly the opposite if you actually read what I wrote.
All I ever said was that the US government is not perfect and does quite a bit on the international scene under the radar. Are you so uninformed you think the only fighting and killing we do is in the declared wars? If so, you don't belong on a discussion board along with people who read.
I'm not the only one against the Patriot Act - why don't you talk to the ACLU? All they all victims of wife-beating too and that's where they come up with their complaint about it?
You have not offered an argument as to how this legislation does not trample on my civil rights.
Here's an example: the internet access they can gain to look at "terrorist's" emails actually gives them access to everyone on that ISP. I have no problem with them spying on terrorists, but I have a problem with them spying on me.
You should too.
"...with like-minded people one cannot discuss. With like-minded people one can only participate in a church service, and you know how I feel about church services." Ayaan Hirsi Ali
I think outsourcing could promote jobs if the outsourcing was of manufacturing and the job promotion in services. Seems like developed nations are transitioning into primarily services-based economies while developing nations are moving from primarily agricultural to manufacturing economies. The manufactured goods are for consumers in developed economies whose purchasing power will improve thanks to the low cost of these foreign-made products. If the manufacturers are American or western multinationals, the money they save in manufacturing abroad and the profits generated from their enhanced sales if they pass on the savings as cheaper products will end up in shareholders pockets who will make further investments generating more economic activity. Thus western and American multinationals will grow and hire more managers and other business professionals to run more foreign plants from their headquarters. The complexion of the work force is changing, jobs in manufacturing are lost, jobs in services generated.
</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (Mia,)
</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (gecko,)
its funny how you can imagien the patriot act becoming a bad bad thing
yet you give terrorists the benefit of the doubt
your husband ever hit you?
ask him for me<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'>
You are a freak - following me to this post and trying to relate the two? I never said to give the terrorists the benefit of the doubt. Exactly the opposite if you actually read what I wrote.
All I ever said was that the US government is not perfect and does quite a bit on the international scene under the radar. Are you so uninformed you think the only fighting and killing we do is in the declared wars? If so, you don't belong on a discussion board along with people who read.
I'm not the only one against the Patriot Act - why don't you talk to the ACLU? All they all victims of wife-beating too and that's where they come up with their complaint about it?
You have not offered an argument as to how this legislation does not trample on my civil rights.
Here's an example: the internet access they can gain to look at "terrorist's" emails actually gives them access to everyone on that ISP. I have no problem with them spying on terrorists, but I have a problem with them spying on me.
You should too.<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'>
no you are trying to make the US and the terrorists equally "bad"
that is not the case
The US and the terrorists are one & the same. The Patriot Act and Homeland Security are quite literally, the declaration of war against the American people by the guys wearing $1,500 ties. I bet gecko will be first in line to get "chipped"...
name one person whose rights have been stripped away with the patriot act? name ONE...
"I really like this jacket, but the sleeves are much too long..."
insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, but expecting different results...
Gecko - I never said anything of the kind. You are making big leaps from what I actually say to what you think I mean. If you are interested in meaningful discussion, it's a good idea to clarify what a person is saying before you respond. If you are not why don't you shut up?
"...with like-minded people one cannot discuss. With like-minded people one can only participate in a church service, and you know how I feel about church services." Ayaan Hirsi Ali
</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (Impenitent,)
name one person whose rights have been stripped away with the patriot act? name ONE...<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'>
That's hard to do when one of the provisions is that they are allowed to do things in secret!
"...with like-minded people one cannot discuss. With like-minded people one can only participate in a church service, and you know how I feel about church services." Ayaan Hirsi Ali
Sherman Austin (www.raisethefist.com) and Casey Nethercott (http://www.ranchrescue.com/) as far as people I know on a more personal basis. But, it's actually quite mainstream that the Patriot Act is being used by local governments all over the country to justify all kinds of unconstitutional activity. THOUSANDS of American citizens of middle eastern backgrounds were rounded up after 9/11 and held for weeks and months in some cases without being charged are given access to a jury. And given that the FEDS don't have to answer any questions on matters that deal with "terrorist investigations" (actually, they can secretly arrest you and execute you with a military tribunal), WHO KNOWS how many people have been effected by this assault on the republic.
The FEDS sent out a flyer after 9/11 instructing local law enforcement to call the JTTF if people they pulled over for traffic violations made "numerous references to the constitution" or had bumper stickers against the federal government or the U.N.
http://www.keepandbeararms.com/images/FBI-...Flyer-Front.jpg
http://www.keepandbeararms.com/images/FBI-...tFlyer-Back.jpg
http://news.com.com/2008-1082_3-5062481.html
"Under a 1997 federal law championed by Sen. Dianne Feinstein, D-Calif., it is illegal to publish such instructions with the intent that readers commit "a federal crime of violence.""
it was NOT the "patriot act" law that austin broke...
http://www.tucsoncitizen.com/index.php?pag...03c1_vigilantes
"The latest arrest was of Ranch Rescue member Casey Nethercott, who was picked up by FBI agents and Douglas police Nov. 25. Nethercott is charged with unlawful flight to avoid prosecution."
it was NOT the "patriot act" law that nethercott broke...
thousands rounded up and you still haven't named ONE...
"I really like this jacket, but the sleeves are much too long..."
insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, but expecting different results...
Both are pretexts to the Patriot Act (Miss. Feinstein flaunts this), both are unconstitutional. The Casey Nethercott article you googled by the seat of your pants is outdated by over a year.He was arrested without charge last week. When Sherman was "arrested", the FEDS used the Patriot Act to justify them not charging him while keeping him under arrest.
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