Terrorists Use Children As Human Shields

[tinybear]

U.S. military says child killed in Iraq gun fight


MOSUL, Iraq (Reuters) - U.S. forces shot dead a child during an exchange of gunfire near the northern Iraqi city of Mosul on Thursday, the U.S. military said.

A statement said U.S. forces came under attack as they were carrying out operations in Tal Afar, a volatile town west of Mosul that has seen frequent violence in recent months.

"An Iraqi child was killed as terrorists and multi-national forces exchanged fire in northern Iraq," the statement said.

"Terrorists used Iraqi children as shields when multi-national forces returned fire. During the engagement, the child was killed."

http://cnn.netscape.cnn.com/ns/news/...=ewp_news_iraq

I'd like to see how they can justify this, wouldn't you? I challenge them to show me one passage in the Koran which says that this can be done.

[Zeebadee]

It's interesting to note that U.S. forces were "carrying out operations", while the terrorists attacked. Similar I guess to a burglar carrying out operations when he was attacked by a homeowner. Just gotta put the right spin on the incident.

[Prometheus]

It's not fair to blame the military for this. That's what happens in war. It may be a shitty war, but the military was asked to go fight, and you can't blame them for what they have to do when they fight.

[Matt W]

Interesting. Israelis say this sorta thing all the time when Palestinian kids & aid workers get shot.

[Trent]

Tinybear, you left behind half the write up... so I thought I'd print it here...

Iraqi civilians often complain that U.S. forces open fire indiscriminately when attacked, leading to innocent people being caught up in the crossfire. The U.S. military says it takes all precautions possible to ensure innocents are not killed.

During the war that overthrow Saddam Hussein, U.S. forces said Iraqi fighters frequently used women and children as human shields, but it was never possible to independently verify the reports.

Human rights groups have criticized the U.S. military for not being restrained enough in its use of force, particularly at checkpoints when vehicles sometimes approach at speed and U.S. soldiers, fearing a car bomb attack, open fire.

http://cnn.netscape.cnn.com/ns/news...p=ewp_news_iraq

Interesting, there is nothing about this on Aljezera or the BBC - just something about a downed US helicopter.

[tinybear]

Quote by: Matt W Interesting. Israelis say this sorta thing all the time when Palestinian kids & aid workers get shot.

So Palestinian terrorists use kids as human shields too. Are we surprised? Terrorists are scum. Period.

[tinybear]

Quote by: Zeebadee It's interesting to note that U.S. forces were "carrying out operations", while the terrorists attacked. Similar I guess to a burglar carrying out operations when he was attacked by a homeowner. Just gotta put the right spin on the incident.

And the homeowner used his kid as a human shield. Don't forget this little fact when you're 'putting the right spin' on the incident.

[Zeebadee]

Quote by: tinybear And the homeowner used his kid as a human shield. Don't forget this little fact when you're 'putting the right spin' on the incident.

Yeah, right. The burglar is the one getting all the press. If he says the homeowner was using the kid as a shield, who's gonna say otherwise?

My point was that even though the media is reporting a "major offensive" (http://denverpost.com/nationworld/ci_2751395), it's not really an attack. It's merely "carrying out operations". Evidently, only the "terrorists" attack. The U.S. is carrying out operations in residential areas, those homeowners that attempt to protect their homes, with families inside, are attacking and using the women and kids as shields. The concept is similar to armed troops innocently carrying out operations by kicking in your door, charging inside, and you attack one of them by hitting his fist with your nose.

[tinybear]

Those are terrorists using women and children as human shields; not homeowners attempting to protect their homes. When are you really going to 'put the right spin' on the incident?

[Matt W]

So Palestinian terrorists use kids as human shields too

*laughs* TB, you are so...blinkered it's just not funny anymore. Tell me, did you see that clip of the kid and his Dad sheltering in a doorway before they both got shot?

When are you really going to 'put the right spin' on the incident?

For someone interested in the 'right spin' you're far too concerned with ignoring the facts.

[tinybear]

Take a look at this link, Matt:

http://backspin.typepad.com/backspin...use_of_hu.html

And also:

"Palestinian terrorists repeatedly use their own children as suicide bombers and as human shields when attacking Israelis and have intentionally targeted Israeli children in recent months. Matan, 5, and Noam Ohion, 4, and their mother were shot and murdered by a Palestinian terrorist at Kibbutz Metzer in central Israel last November. The terrorists walked into the child's bedroom and shot the children as they were sitting in their beds.

Security sources said the body of the boys' mother, Revital, 34, was riddled with bullets, apparently because she had tried to shield her children as the gunman burst into the children's room.

The terrorist burst in as the mother was reading the children a bedtime story.The Islamic madman then killed two more Israelis at the kibbutz before escaping in the dark. Dozens of Israeli children have been murdered and hundreds injured on public buses and in restaurants which were targets for Palestinian terrorism. In April of 2002, both Israeli senior citizens and their small grandchildren were slaughtered when a Palestinian terrorist blew up the Park Hotel in Netanya, killing 29 Jews in what's referred to as the Passover Massacre."

http://www.israelnewsagency.com/isra...dren12913.html

[Matt W]

Ok, your turn:-

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/mid...st/4580139.stm

The rights group's report for 2004 says Israeli forces have killed some 700 Palestinians - including 150 children - mostly in unlawful circumstances. The report lists "reckless shooting, shelling and air strikes in civilian areas... and excessive use of force".

Both sides are shitheads, tb. If you don't understand that, then you're being blinkered.

[shrike]

*laughs* TB, you are so...blinkered it's just not funny anymore. Tell me, did you see that clip of the kid and his Dad sheltering in a doorway before they both got shot?

Do you mean Muhammad_al-Durrah?
There much controversy on the subject.There a lot of doubts who really killed that boy ,some even say that event was staged.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammad_al-Durrah
James Fallows: "Who shot Mohammed Al-Dura?"; The Atlantic Monthly (republished by FrontPageMagazine.com)

[tinybear]

Oh yeah, I never said the Israelis are angels. In fact, I've said elsewhere that it's a foreign policy blunder for the USA to have blindly supported Israel for the past 50 years. If you ask me, the Israelis are as much to blame for the mess in the Mid-East as are the Palestinian terrorists. But that's another issue. What I've been saying in this thread is that terrorists are scum in using human shields. You (and others) don't seem to be able to accept that.

[Matt W]

I accept that folk who use thuman shields are scum...and desperate. Tell me, what tactics would you employ against someone occupying your homeland with grossly overwhelming force and superior firepower & weaponry?

[tinybear]

Guerilla warfare (without the human shields).

[RickSp]

And I thought the bear was only concerned with beheadings. Now we can add children as shields to the list. Wonder if the ursine will ever advance to children killed by US bombs. Probably not.

[tinybear]

Beheadings: deliberate murder of innocent people.

Human shields: use of innocent people to intimidate enemy and killing said innocent people in the process; tantamount to deliberate murder of innocent people, not to mention cowardice

US bomb casualties: unintended casualties of war; sad, but non-deliberate

Any difference, do you think, folks?

[RickSp]

Lets see.

Beheadings - perhaps a few dozen innocents murdered.

Human shields - an unknown number of innocents killed, if you believe the folks firing the heavy ordinance doing the killing.

Air Strikes - thousands of innocents killed. And since it is paid for by our tax dollars, we all bear some responsibility.

It is all murder and I'm not sure the means particularly matters to the dead.

[tinybear]

Intentional/reckless killing=murder

Inadvertent/unintentional killing=/= murder

Perhaps doesn't matter to those killed, but as far as culpability of the perpetrators is concerned, yes, it makes a lot of difference.