Do You Support Denying All Public Assistance to Illegal immigrants in the U.S.?

[carlessbiker]

Quote by: rmnunez Mexican development will promote economic activity there, fuel further growth and generate increased employment, drawing off some immigrants. Ultimately it would be sensible to see how as long as a better offer is available across the border, some will cross.

This brings up a good point. A possible alternative would be to help Mexico improve its economic situation. Some might claim that the way Mexico runs its government is not our problem and I would agree, however they have MADE it our problem. It is our problem now due to the fact it is so bad in Mexico that attempting to illegally enter a neighboring country is a better option. If you read any of my previous posts, you will see that I am extremely against illegal immigration and handouts. But we help cultures all over the globe improve their current situation, why not Mexico? Give them incentive to stay home instead of giving incentive to move.

[rmnunez]

Mexican development is key to stemming migration from there, but this will require improvements in judicial security as investors need greater certitude and speed in adjudication and inforcement. The Mexican govenrment has a lot to do with securing reforms in the legal processes but only a hand in development success which depends a lot more on private investor initiative and market conditions.

[Cephus]

Quote by: carlessbiker This brings up a good point. A possible alternative would be to help Mexico improve its economic situation. Some might claim that the way Mexico runs its government is not our problem and I would agree, however they have MADE it our problem. It is our problem now due to the fact it is so bad in Mexico that attempting to illegally enter a neighboring country is a better option. If you read any of my previous posts, you will see that I am extremely against illegal immigration and handouts. But we help cultures all over the globe improve their current situation, why not Mexico? Give them incentive to stay home instead of giving incentive to move.

The problem isn't that the Mexican people are escaping to the US, it's that the Mexican government is TELLING them to! This is how Vincente Fox is trying to improve Mexico, by shipping his poor and his criminals elsewhere, knowing that they'll send most of their money back into Mexico and improve the Mexican economy.

[carlessbiker]

Quote by: Cephus The problem isn't that the Mexican people are escaping to the US, it's that the Mexican government is TELLING them to! This is how Vincente Fox is trying to improve Mexico, by shipping his poor and his criminals elsewhere, knowing that they'll send most of their money back into Mexico and improve the Mexican economy.

Then it would stand to reason that we need to do more than close the borders.....We need to change their system.

Quote by: rmnunez The sudden increase in about 11 million jobs would drive wages up and substantially increase the cost of producing or delivering whatever the Mexicans did before. Seems to me the most direct impact would be high inflation.

There are side effects when you try to eliminate any sort of cancer.

[rmnunez]

There are side effects when you try to eliminate any sort of cancer

How much inflation do you think the average united statian should endure, biker? Are all their compatriots with you on this too?

[carlessbiker]

Quote by: rmnunez How much inflation do you think the average united statian should endure, biker? Are all their compatriots with you on this too?

Whose Compatriots? Mine? If you are asking me if all of my fellow citizens are with me on this, then maybe you should read the past ten pages of debate. Duh - NO. If everyone felt the same way, then this wouldn't be a debate. As far as inflation, I haven't heard an argument (inside our outside this forum) estimating any sort of actual numbers. All I have heard is "a lot." Other countries seem to be doing ok without a mass number of illegal immigrants.

[Cephus]

Quote by: carlessbiker Then it would stand to reason that we need to do more than close the borders.....We need to change their system.

Unfortunately, we have no way of changing their system short of invading and taking over the country. Now that might not be too far off, considering Bush's methods, but in general it's frowned upon. All we can do is deal with the symptom at the moment and stop illegals from entering the US. If Fox is forced to deal with his own people, then maybe he'll actually do something to improve the situation.

[MotherJones]

Quote by: rmnunez Mexican development is key to stemming migration from there, but this will require improvements in judicial security as investors need greater certitude and speed in adjudication and inforcement. The Mexican govenrment has a lot to do with securing reforms in the legal processes but only a hand in development success which depends a lot more on private investor initiative and market conditions.

huh??

Mexican development of what? Who are the private investors and what are the market conditions in Mexico today?

Judicial security? What is that?

[rmnunez]

MJ, Mexico is experiencing phenomenal growth just now, though the World Bank estimates it at just between 3.5 and 4%. Twice a week I use the ringroad ("Periferico" around Mexico City) and see skyscrappers rising like asparagus after the rain, dozens of high rise offices for major multinationals (many of them from the US) rising up. Mexico is not really in the third world any more (though there is widespread and extreme poverty). Last year it was 9th (this year 14th) on the OECD's hit parade. Lots of US (and other foreign) investors are very interested in Mexico. They see the emergence just now of a substantial middle class with growing purchasing power. manufactured consumer goods from the US are selling well in this environment and the expectation is for more in the future.

[GodBlessAmerica]

Quote by: tinybear Well what do you say? (a) Yeah of course. Illegal immigrants shouldn't be here in the first place. Why should they receive any assistance? They should be deported. (b) No. Illegal? Why? As long as you're a citizen of the earth, you can go anywhere you like. Borders are artificial and arbitrary. All men and women are equal wherever they come from. If public assistance is available, it should be available to all. (c) Public Assistance? What's that? I don't know what you're talking about. (d) No, because illegal immigrants deserve our sympathy. If we can afford it, we should assist them and make them feel welcome. What's the matter? Have we forgotten what the Statue Of Liberty stands for? (e) Other (Please specify and explain why)

Current Federal laws say we have to support them.

We need to change the Constitution so they do not have to be supported or awarded a birth certificate for their children.