Do You Support Denying All Public Assistance to Illegal immigrants in the U.S.?

[CallousGiant]

Quote by: tusaki How about this, we clothe, feed and house them untill the time they can be send back, and sent a bill for "care" along with it. How about someone who doesn't say where he came from and it is impossible to determine. Or how about it is perfectly clear where he came from, but the government isn't cooperative in allowing them back in.

If they can't be deported at all, I think they should be given a permanent residence and also given the opportunity to become a citizen. What I said was what I thought should happen up until they get deported, if the deportion never happens, I think what I said should carry on regardless.

[tinybear]

So, CG, you choose option (d), right?

"Not like the brazen giant of Greek fame,
with conquering limbs astride from land to land;
Here at our sea-washed, sunset gates shall stand
a mighty woman with a torch, whose flame
is the imprisoned lightning, and her name
Mother of Exiles. From her beacon-hand
Glows world-wide welcome; her mild eyes command
The air-bridged harbor that twin cities frame,
"Keep, ancient lands, your storied pomp!" cries she
with silent lips. "Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore,
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"

[carlessbiker]

Quote by: CallousGiant Because I think people should help one another, even if it doesn't suit them.

Ethically... Maybe. Forcefully... No. There should be no government handouts, no forcing of the taxpayers to carry such a burden. You cannot force moral obligation on taxpayers. If religious or grassroots groups want to help, let them. THEY SHOULD STILL HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE SAME CHANNELS AS EVERY OTHER IMMIGRANT. Where is this moral obligation amongst Americans FOR AMERICANS? U.S. benefits are dropping while illegals are rising. Handouts are not helping, they are hindering, both their progress and our economy.

[CallousGiant]

Quote by: tinybear So, CG, you choose option (d), right? "Not like the brazen giant of Greek fame, with conquering limbs astride from land to land; Here at our sea-washed, sunset gates shall stand a mighty woman with a torch, whose flame is the imprisoned lightning, and her name Mother of Exiles. From her beacon-hand Glows world-wide welcome; her mild eyes command The air-bridged harbor that twin cities frame, "Keep, ancient lands, your storied pomp!" cries she with silent lips. "Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, The wretched refuse of your teeming shore, Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"

Yes, my view is a mix between A and C. I think they should be deported as soon as possible, as they have indeed broken the law, but up until then they should be given assistance.

[CallousGiant]

Quote by: carlessbiker Ethically... Maybe. Forcefully... No. There should be no government handouts, no forcing of the taxpayers to carry such a burden. You cannot force moral obligation on taxpayers. If religious or grassroots groups want to help, let them. THEY SHOULD STILL HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE SAME CHANNELS AS EVERY OTHER IMMIGRANT. Where is this moral obligation amongst Americans FOR AMERICANS? U.S. benefits are dropping while illegals are rising. Handouts are not helping, they are hindering, both their progress and our economy.

Like I said, my beliefs aren't always practical, and I know most people would not be willing to give up their money for that. What I am saying it simply my opinion, and how it would be run in an ideal world, but this world is not ideal, so my views are not always possible, even if factors point towards it being possible.

[Osborn F Enready]

Callous Giant said:
Because I think people should help one another, even if it doesn't suit them.

I say:
In other words, you think you have the right to spend my money without my permission, to suit what you deem to be worthy needs? You sound pretty benevolent when you are using OTHER peoples money. I believe they should be treated as non-violent criminals(assuming of course they are not resistant to arrest) and placed in local jails until deportation can occur.

Give them jobs? Try creating some of those jobs, then you can give some away? Until then I will continue to try to make my government accountable for the illegal tax dollars they are stealing away from evey tax payer for non-voted on taxes.

You must be pretty comfy at your job? Must be nice....

[CallousGiant]

Quote by: Osborn F Enready Callous Giant said: Because I think people should help one another, even if it doesn't suit them. I say: In other words, you think you have the right to spend my money without my permission, to suit what you deem to be worthy needs?

Yes. And in return I'll give you the opportunity to vote me out of power if you don't like it. Thats how the system works....

Quote by: Osborn F Enready Give them jobs? Try creating some of those jobs, then you can give some away? Until then I will continue to try to make my government accountable for the illegal tax dollars they are stealing away from evey tax payer for non-voted on taxes.

Ok, maybe jobs aren't a good idea, given that there is already a shortage, but I think they should still be given an income, and I think letting them work is better than giving them benefits, as then at least they can be giving something back to society instead of leaching off it....

Anyway, it is getting late so I'm off now. Has been fun, if thats the right word . Most discussion websites have people who are completely biased and are unwilling to acknowledge other peoples arguments, but this sites seems good, so I'll keep using it. Seeya some other time.

[carlessbiker]

Quote by: CallousGiant Yes. And in return I'll give you the opportunity to vote me out of power if you don't like it. Thats how the system works.... Ok, maybe jobs aren't a good idea, as there is already a shortage as there is, but I think they should still be given an income, and I think letting them work is better than giving them benefits, as then at least they can be giving something back to society instead of leaching off it....

In a country with a shortage of jobs, everytime you give an illegal a job, you are depriving an actual citizen of that same job. Until there is a surplus of jobs, lets take care of our own first. Use some of that moral obligation amongst your peers. It seems to me (and I may be wrong) that a majority of people who support giving illegals handouts just want cheaper strawberrys and don't fear losing their job while those who don't support handouts are either sick of being stepped over or sick of watching their paychecks being drained by those here to exploit this country.

[CallousGiant]

Quote by: carlessbiker In a country with a shortage of jobs, everytime you give an illegal a job, you are depriving an actual citizen of that same job. Until there is a surplus of jobs, lets take care of our own first. Use some of that moral obligation amongst your peers. It seems to me (and I may be wrong) that a majority of people who support giving illegals handouts just want cheaper strawberrys and don't fear losing their job while those who don't support handouts are either sick of being stepped over or sick of watching their paychecks being drained by those here to exploit this country.

I say benefits or jobs, and since jobs are out of the question, it will have to be benefits. I know its a lose lose situation, but its just what I happen to believe in.

[carlessbiker]

Quote by: CallousGiant I say benefits or jobs, and since jobs are out of the question, it will have to be benefits. I know its a lose lose situation, but its just what I happen to believe in.

Well, then I applaud your convictions. However I will still continue to bitch about your willingness to spend my tax money on people who aren't supposed to be here. I will also continue to preach my beliefs that it should be Americans BEFORE illegal immigrants.

[Sonart]

Ooops, wrong thread

[moustache]

I believe we should not let them get into the u.s in the first place. How about we work towards trying harder to keep them out. Let the national guard back up the border patrol.

[RVonse]

As with most of the responders to this thread, I prefer selection A as well. Illegals should be deported asap, because they don't belong here in the first place.

Now it seems like most Americans you ask do appear in complete agreement that illegal aliens should be deported yet both Democrat and Republican parties appear to not care about our borders.

Kind of funny isn't it?? Seems like there might be a little disconnect between what the people of this country want vs. our federal leadership.

[Sgt. Rock]

For my two cents worth I think emergancy health care should be afforded to illegals. However I do not understand why they are allowed to recive drivers licences, edcuation, etc. I do feel sorry for them and think that if I were in their position I would cross the border as well.

[rmnunez]

I do not understand why they are allowed to recive drivers licences, education, etc.

Because how well one operates a motor vehicle or performs academically are unaffected by citizenship or nationality?

[Cephus]

Absolutely. Deport them immediately and set up severe penalties if they return. Everyone keeps whining about their 'rights'. They *HAVE* no rights, they are here illegally and should not be permitted to work, should not be permitted to get free services, should not be permitted to drive, etc.

There simply is no logical or rational reason to allow them to stay here. We need to set up insane fines and penalties for anyone who hires them or rents to them. That's the only way to stop the flood of illegals across the border.

[tinybear]

In Hong Kong, anyone who employs an illegal immigrant goes to jail, even on a plea of guilty and even if you're a first offender. Illegals are therefore unemployable.

[Trent]

I believe that the Corperations that make and sell weapons of human destruction around the world should foot the immigrant bill in their own country.
Immigrants are a direct result of human greed - the unwillingness to share.
The Corperations that make money out of death and destruction should have to pay for their callousness - and I can't think of a better way.

Yeah, make war less lucrative for the bomb makers by forcing them to pay for a proper immigrant programme, then watch war become less favourable.

[moustache]

I like the idea of sending someone to jail if they employ an illegal immigrant...

that way if the immigrants have no form of work, and no form of pay, then they will have no reason to come into the U.S in the firstplace. It eliminates the illegal immigrant problem altogether.

[Mr.Vicchio]

100% I support denying money to people that are criminals.


"Illegal" key term, and they should be treated as SUCH.