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asterix404 · May 19, 2005, 11:04 pm

I can't remember the guys name however I know I herd this on NPR. Apparently there was a nasty man who was in cuba... he was trained by the CIA and was sent out against Castro. This was in the 70's and 80's... apparently he caused a plain to explode with a buntch of cuban athleates on it. Well he now just showed up in miami and held a press confrence. He was taken in by homeland securty and held as illegal entry. 29 years ago he caued about 45 people to die in a plane that came out of cuba bound for bolivia. He is labled a terrorist... and Bush has said many many times that any country that harbors them is a terrorist state. Vensiweila apparently hates him too and so cuba and venisulia both want him extradited. Funny thing is though 40 years ago this is what the US told him to do. What do you think should be done with? Is he a terrorist?

incka · May 20, 2005, 02:26 am

He is a pawn for a terrorist state, that terrorist state being the USA, and it still trains people like him today. The major problem for the CIA is that these people often use their skills for their own agendas as well as the CIA's agenda, for instance Osoma Bin Laden was trained by CIA to kill Russians, but now kills Americans as well. I think this person is a terrorist, but not as much so as those who ordered him to do these things, which could include various presidents.

tinybear · May 20, 2005, 04:38 am

Personally, I think we should hand him over. The man sounds like a terrorist to me. But this should be done through the proper channels and the man should have a chance of arguing his case before a judge.

Samildanach · May 20, 2005, 10:47 am

As far as I am concerned you trained him you are now responsible for him and his actions.

tinybear · May 20, 2005, 11:10 am

How so? If I train a guy who turns renegade, do you put me on trial? If I once taught Jack The Ripper how to use a surgical knife, am I responsible for the murders he commits?

fedfem · May 20, 2005, 11:23 am

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How so? If I train a guy who turns renegade, do you put me on trial? If I once taught Jack The Ripper how to use a surgical knife, am I responsible for the murders he commits?

Not in this country. Tim McVeigh, Terry Nichols, William Krar, William Peirce are/were terrorists bred in the US. Of course we don't call them terrorists because they are Christians it seems. Krar is a good example of the lack of media coverage of our own warts. He had a freaking chemical weapon, guns, fake UN, DOD IDs and was part of the group that enabled 9/11 yet most have not even heard of him.

How do you think we would react if McVeigh had gone to Cuba and they refused to send him back for trial?

tinybear · May 20, 2005, 11:26 am

That's why I think we should give this guy a fair hearing and, unless there are good reasons indicating otherwise, he should be sent back.

fedfem · May 20, 2005, 11:46 am

We need to follow international law. That will not happen for a very long time because we seem to be one of the largest lawbreakers.

Nono · May 20, 2005, 11:54 am

The term "international law" simply makes most Americans hoot with derision these days (unless it happens to be breached against the US of course). To them, terrorism (or terrism as it's usually pronounced) has a clear definition: acts of violence against US citizens by swarthy Muslims.

Dieval · May 20, 2005, 11:57 am

I'm confused....was blowing up the plane part of his mission or did he do that on his own?

Nono · May 20, 2005, 12:02 pm

Well what do you think? The US has long harboured anti-Castrists of all stripes, including those who don't bother with niceties such as avoiding the death of innocents. These groups have gotten away with murder, literally, for decades.
So, to dispel your "confusion", what are the chances he was acting on a whim?

Dieval · May 20, 2005, 12:30 pm

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So, to dispel your "confusion", what are the chances he was acting on a whim?

I don't know. That's why I asked. The original posting was not clear on this point and neither was your post.

Cephus · May 20, 2005, 01:24 pm

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Personally, I think we should hand him over. The man sounds like a terrorist to me. But this should be done through the proper channels and the man should have a chance of arguing his case before a judge.

Ah yes, justice for this guy, but bin Laden deserves a bullet in the head with no trial.

Can we say 'hypocrite', boys and girls? I knew you could.

Dieval · May 20, 2005, 01:29 pm

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Ah yes, justice for this guy, but bin Laden deserves a bullet in the head with no trial.

Can we say 'hypocrite', boys and girls? I knew you could.

Chances are OBL won't be taken peacefully, but if he is, he'll get his day in court.

tinybear · May 20, 2005, 01:30 pm

The guy submits to our jurisdiction. Bin Laden doesn't. Couldn't see the difference? I knew you couldn't. :)

asterix404 · May 23, 2005, 08:32 pm

He blue up the plane once the CIA droped him on his ass. They didn't want to put up with him and didn't bring him home. He was sent after castro a while back as was delceared an emeny of the sate. The problem with sending him back is that cuba and Venisweila are not known for fair impartiality and more imporantly as much as I know some of you will say that the US is horrid... the courts in the US are fairly impartial at least much more then them. It's delecate, but the funny thing is if we do any favors in the international community we are a terrorist state and this would prove it more then anything. If we give him back he will be tired and executed probibly in the most brutal way. It may just disapear on it's own but the international cunmminty prolly won't let it down. I can't wait for updates... btw anyone see this in the pappers?

**Matt W** · May 24, 2005, 09:59 am

How 'bout this:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/4564715.stm

Asterix...feel free to do your own google searches!

castille · May 26, 2005, 03:07 am

He should give up being pro-US and become an independent contractor. Better money.

May 19, 2005, 11:04 pm	#1 (permalink) (top)
asterix404 Igneous Magma Posts: 257	Terrorist In the US what should happen? I can't remember the guys name however I know I herd this on NPR. Apparently there was a nasty man who was in cuba... he was trained by the CIA and was sent out against Castro. This was in the 70's and 80's... apparently he caused a plain to explode with a buntch of cuban athleates on it. Well he now just showed up in miami and held a press confrence. He was taken in by homeland securty and held as illegal entry. 29 years ago he caued about 45 people to die in a plane that came out of cuba bound for bolivia. He is labled a terrorist... and Bush has said many many times that any country that harbors them is a terrorist state. Vensiweila apparently hates him too and so cuba and venisulia both want him extradited. Funny thing is though 40 years ago this is what the US told him to do. What do you think should be done with? Is he a terrorist?

May 20, 2005, 10:47 am	#4 (permalink) (top)
Samildanach Pragmatist Location: UK London Posts: 1,979	As far as I am concerned you trained him you are now responsible for him and his actions. I wouldn't recommend sex, drugs and insanity for everyone, but its always worked for me. Never think that war, no matter how necessary, nor how justified, is not a crime." (Ernest Hemingway)

May 20, 2005, 11:54 am	#9 (permalink) (top)
Nono Throbbing Member Location: Old Europe Posts: 7,160	The term "international law" simply makes most Americans hoot with derision these days (unless it happens to be breached against the US of course). To them, terrorism (or terrism as it's usually pronounced) has a clear definition: acts of violence against US citizens by swarthy Muslims. "I wish I was as cocksure of anything as Tom Macaulay is of everything." -- Viscount Melbourne

May 20, 2005, 11:57 am	#10 (permalink) (top)
Dieval Right of Center Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 2,766	I'm confused....was blowing up the plane part of his mission or did he do that on his own? "You have enemies? Good. That means you've stood up for something, sometime in your life." -- Winston Churchill

May 20, 2005, 12:02 pm	#11 (permalink) (top)
Nono Throbbing Member Location: Old Europe Posts: 7,160	Well what do you think? The US has long harboured anti-Castrists of all stripes, including those who don't bother with niceties such as avoiding the death of innocents. These groups have gotten away with murder, literally, for decades. So, to dispel your "confusion", what are the chances he was acting on a whim? "I wish I was as cocksure of anything as Tom Macaulay is of everything." -- Viscount Melbourne

May 20, 2005, 02:26 am	#2 (permalink) (top)
incka Sedimentary Rock Posts: 10	He is a pawn for a terrorist state, that terrorist state being the USA, and it still trains people like him today. The major problem for the CIA is that these people often use their skills for their own agendas as well as the CIA's agenda, for instance Osoma Bin Laden was trained by CIA to kill Russians, but now kills Americans as well. I think this person is a terrorist, but not as much so as those who ordered him to do these things, which could include various presidents.

May 20, 2005, 04:38 am	#3 (permalink) (top)
tinybear Volcanic Erupter Location: Hong Kong (for now) Posts: 7,106	Personally, I think we should hand him over. The man sounds like a terrorist to me. But this should be done through the proper channels and the man should have a chance of arguing his case before a judge.

May 20, 2005, 11:10 am	#5 (permalink) (top)
tinybear Volcanic Erupter Location: Hong Kong (for now) Posts: 7,106	How so? If I train a guy who turns renegade, do you put me on trial? If I once taught Jack The Ripper how to use a surgical knife, am I responsible for the murders he commits?

May 20, 2005, 11:26 am	#7 (permalink) (top)
tinybear Volcanic Erupter Location: Hong Kong (for now) Posts: 7,106	That's why I think we should give this guy a fair hearing and, unless there are good reasons indicating otherwise, he should be sent back.

May 20, 2005, 11:46 am	#8 (permalink) (top)
fedfem Igneous Magma Location: Northeastern, USA Posts: 606	We need to follow international law. That will not happen for a very long time because we seem to be one of the largest lawbreakers.

May 20, 2005, 01:30 pm	#15 (permalink) (top)
tinybear Volcanic Erupter Location: Hong Kong (for now) Posts: 7,106	The guy submits to our jurisdiction. Bin Laden doesn't. Couldn't see the difference? I knew you couldn't. :)

May 23, 2005, 08:32 pm	#16 (permalink) (top)
asterix404 Igneous Magma Posts: 257	He blue up the plane once the CIA droped him on his ass. They didn't want to put up with him and didn't bring him home. He was sent after castro a while back as was delceared an emeny of the sate. The problem with sending him back is that cuba and Venisweila are not known for fair impartiality and more imporantly as much as I know some of you will say that the US is horrid... the courts in the US are fairly impartial at least much more then them. It's delecate, but the funny thing is if we do any favors in the international community we are a terrorist state and this would prove it more then anything. If we give him back he will be tired and executed probibly in the most brutal way. It may just disapear on it's own but the international cunmminty prolly won't let it down. I can't wait for updates... btw anyone see this in the pappers?

May 24, 2005, 09:59 am	#17 (permalink) (top)
Matt W Moderator Location: Reading, UK. Posts: 6,787	How 'bout this: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/4564715.stm Asterix...feel free to do your own google searches! I spent a lot of money on booze, birds and fast cars. The rest I just squandered. -George Best, on being asked what he did with his footballing fortunes.

May 26, 2005, 03:07 am	#18 (permalink) (top)
castille Citizen #21521 Posts: 2,599	He should give up being pro-US and become an independent contractor. Better money. Ideological loyalty is the act of giving your soul to a vague concept, to be manipulated by people smarter than you.