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May 17, 2005, 11:55 pm
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| Citizen #21521 Posts: 2,599 | Would you accept a peaceful, but boring life? Let's say you get your favourite form of government. Socialism, fascism, democracy, libertarianism, etc. And let's say that government finally solves all the world's problems. The sacrifice, then, is that there are no more challenges. Everything is 100% perfect. You are given a secure (if somewhat boring) job. Your life under the new regime becomes perfect, so you don't need to improve anything. Would you accept this sacrifice for a perfect world? Ideological loyalty is the act of giving your soul to a vague concept, to be manipulated by people smarter than you. |
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May 18, 2005, 11:35 am
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| Pragmatist  Location: UK London Posts: 1,979 | Quote:
I wouldn't recommend sex, drugs and insanity for everyone, but its always worked for me. Never think that war, no matter how necessary, nor how justified, is not a crime." (Ernest Hemingway) | |
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May 18, 2005, 11:44 am
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| Moderator/nobody  Posts: 1,566 | No, I wouldn't. I would be bored silly. Mankind would stagnate and 'gladly go into that goodnight'. As much as I dislike certain aspects of our society and our world in general. The promise of oneness I dislike more. Live Long and Prosper (Genetics and Capitalism) |
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May 18, 2005, 03:48 pm
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| Principled Observer  Location: Toledo, Ohio Posts: 13,873 | I would be happy, because I know for myself, and I believe most people are this way, you learn to discover what really intrests you when all other stressors are reduced. If people had time to really explore the billions of volumes of information our societies have created, documented, equated, and compiled people would see that there is much more to life than working and watching tv. Learning is FUN, when you actually find things you WANT to learn about, whether it is political science, or how to create and tie the perfect fishing lure for Walleye. The biggest thing that keeps people from truly enjoying life, is TIME, and how society has become so adept at stealing it from people in an "effort to make all our lives easier." Society has steadily increased our level of interaction as to make the majority of our day accounted for on some calendar of appointments for both business and personal stressors. I think everyone in the world would benefit from a mandatory year off, and being FORCED to occupy themselves for a year. My times of unemployment, have forced me to do this, and also caused me to find where my true intrests lie which in my opinion has released a wave of creativity and intrest in areas I never knew I cared about. Life may be physically easier now than when we were hunter gatherers, but the mental effects of stress is indicative that now we must find a way for society to allow for both, complex society and a reasonable level of stress. One way the Germans have been ahead of us for years, in their worksharing programs. Petition of Redress of Grievances: http://www.givemeliberty.org/default.htm Canadian Lawsuit Against Their National Banks: http://www.freewebs.com/classaction/ Osborn F. Enready |
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May 19, 2005, 10:42 am
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| Pragmatist Location: UK London Posts: 1,979 | You have a point there....I would be happy with a bit more time..At the moment all I have is eight hours sleep a day and I would like to sleep 12 hours a day. time would make a huge impact to my quality of life. I wouldn't recommend sex, drugs and insanity for everyone, but its always worked for me. Never think that war, no matter how necessary, nor how justified, is not a crime." (Ernest Hemingway) |
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May 19, 2005, 11:15 am
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| Volcanic Erupter  Posts: 9,491 | Boring and peaceful are not two words that I would associate with one another. I am am bored I am not likely to be peaceful. Rick "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." Sinclair Lewis |
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May 19, 2005, 12:27 pm
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| Pragmatist Location: UK London Posts: 1,979 | Interesting when I am bored I generally am still peaceful, I might go play a violent video game or go to sleep or converse on the boards...come to think of it I am rarely bored these days. :) I wouldn't recommend sex, drugs and insanity for everyone, but its always worked for me. Never think that war, no matter how necessary, nor how justified, is not a crime." (Ernest Hemingway) |
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May 19, 2005, 11:20 pm
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| Igneous Magma Posts: 257 | To quote one of my favorite movies and this is how I try to live my life now "a man can spend his life looking for the perfect flower and it would not be a life wasted". I would give up anything in the whole world, including women booze drugs sex music anything if I could spend the rest of my life conpeatly contened. Though it would get borning without a woman... or rather a partner... but yes I would give up absolutly anything to live a truly happy life. |
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May 19, 2005, 11:52 pm
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| Retired  Posts: 7,312 | Is this politics, news, or government? I feel this thread should be in general discussion, unless it qualifies for the philosophy forum. "...with like-minded people one cannot discuss. With like-minded people one can only participate in a church service, and you know how I feel about church services." Ayaan Hirsi Ali |
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May 21, 2005, 01:23 am
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| Glad to be back!  Location: Vernal, UT Posts: 1,725 | "Would you accept a peaceful, but boring life?" No. Maybe I'm not as self-actualized as the rest of you, but I want a world that I can change for the better. As a scientist I work to help humanity on a physical level. As a political actavist I try to make our nation better. As a humanist I try to help the poor and unfortunate. I only gain meaning in my life by trying to make life better for me and others. If there were nothing to improve I would lead a stagnent and meaningless life. Fixed ideas are like a cramp in the foot - the best remedy against it is to tread on it. -Søren Kierkegaard |
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May 23, 2005, 10:05 am
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| Citizen #21521 Posts: 2,599 | By "perfect", I'm not saying you get everything you want. I'm just saying that there will be no crime, no greed, no fear, etc. Everyone will agree with one another, there will be no conflict (ranging from arguments to war), and our lives would be structured to avoid any kind of conflict. Ideological loyalty is the act of giving your soul to a vague concept, to be manipulated by people smarter than you. |
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May 23, 2005, 10:14 am
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| Glad to be back! Location: Vernal, UT Posts: 1,725 | I think that a certian amount of conflict is required to be a sane person. I mean look at this forum - nearly everyone here is looking for some amount of conflict - debate. Fixed ideas are like a cramp in the foot - the best remedy against it is to tread on it. -Søren Kierkegaard |
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May 23, 2005, 10:58 am
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| Chocoholic  Posts: 896 | Quote:
If living the life you describe eliminates amygdala and adrenal overstimulation, I'd give it a shot. | |
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