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tinybear · May 17, 2005, 05:00 am

And I think it's US influence folks! What do you think?

http://cnn.netscape.cnn.com/ns/news/...79.htm&sc=1110

rcne · May 17, 2005, 07:42 am

Tiny, I had posted this same article on another site. I think the changes in the Mid East toward a representative government that includes women is one of the most positive steps in centuries.

Sadly on the other site there are no comments. Some people will only focus on the negative, or their own problems.

So they stay blind to the world around them.

Gorgo · May 17, 2005, 08:29 am

That story isn't there, but it is here:

http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.j...toryID=8515478

sounds good. Don't know how important it is. Voting often doesn't mean much.

rcne · May 17, 2005, 09:43 am

Quote:

Quote by: Gorgo

That story isn't there, but it is here:

http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.j...toryID=8515478

sounds good. Don't know how important it is. Voting often doesn't mean much.

When you exclude 50% of the population, and limit the eligibility of candidates elections generally run the way you want.

By opening the process, there is a good chance for change. Voting only doesn't count when the outcomes are known before the election.

RickSp · May 17, 2005, 09:50 am

It is a start. An important first step to be sure.

tinybear · May 17, 2005, 10:42 am

Quote:

Quote by: Gorgo

That story isn't there, but it is here:

http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.j...toryID=8515478

sounds good. Don't know how important it is. Voting often doesn't mean much.

Thanks Gorgo. I don't know why I posted the wrong link.

castille · May 17, 2005, 11:13 pm

Positive - Kuwait will probably get more American money.
Negative - Destroying foreign cultures and replacing it with American culture.

moustache · May 17, 2005, 11:38 pm

and letting women vote is a negative is it castille?

castille · May 17, 2005, 11:40 pm

In some cultures, it is negative.

Just as it is negative in some cultures to eat dogs.

tinybear · May 18, 2005, 12:06 am

Cannibalism is practised in some cultures.

castille · May 18, 2005, 04:06 am

Doesn't make it a bad thing. What's wrong with eating people when they're dead?

tinybear · May 18, 2005, 05:30 am

So, why do you think it's illegal in most countries? Because it's against the culture of the people of those countries, that's why. But cultural values change. Whereas it was once Kuwaiti culture that women be treated unequally at the electoral polls, now it is no longer; and I say it's because of American influence.

castille · May 23, 2005, 10:10 am

In other words, Kuwait is now American.

tinybear · May 23, 2005, 11:27 am

Hooray! Another American colony!

Rainbow · May 23, 2005, 01:24 pm

Quote:

Quote by: tinybear

And I think it's US influence folks! What do you think?

http://cnn.netscape.cnn.com/ns/news/...79.htm&sc=1110

You are correct.

Iraq has become a "base and pillar" for all the events that will change the Middle-East region surface, in political, administrative, social ect. fields.

It would spread on Eastern Africa, and speed up that process on Asian states, as well. Adding U.S.'s policy in Asian northern regions (former Soviet Union's republics) will complete that process.

Time is the factor.

castille · May 23, 2005, 09:52 pm

Thus the reason they are a threat.

Mia · May 24, 2005, 04:40 am

But is Kuwait one of the countris where everyone has to vote for a certain person anyway? If so, it really makes no difference that women can also go and give a false, coerced vote.

I'd like to see them have other rights as well.

also, why do you think this is American-influenced? And don't you think that changes we force other countries to make might be stated as law but not actually enforced or permitted?

For instance, in KSA, women now supposedly have to have the right to consent to a marriage or reject it. That may be the new law, but families may still force marriages and there be consequences if the woman tries to report it. And/or the goverment may not actually back her if she does.

A Muslim friend who lives there says the law is a joke - women are still forced into marriages not of their choosing or consent and it will remain that way until a LOT of changes occur in society, which is unlikely given how stern KSA is, and how long it takes a willing society, even, to change that much.

If she doesn't consent, the family can cut her off, and she's not permitted to work so how will she live? The law is a result of a suit brought against a woman who's father wouldn't take her back after a divorce.

He might have been forced to take her back in, but who can enforce him not making her life hell in the house?

tinybear · May 24, 2005, 04:49 am

Don't hold your breath waiting, Mia. It's difficult enough to get them the right to vote.

tinybear · May 24, 2005, 05:08 am

Whilst we're on the subject, you might wanna visit these links:

Wife beating: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/3396597.stm

Honor Killings: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/mid...st/2802305.stm

Honor Punishment: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/4322021.stm

Honor? What Honor?

So, you see, there's still a long long way to go. The right to vote is only the beginning.

tinybear · May 31, 2005, 08:38 am

Here's another recent case: http://www.hindustantimes.com/news/7...0500020000.htm

What sort of barbaric customs are these? Why isn't there an international outcry?

May 17, 2005, 05:00 am	#1 (permalink) (top)
tinybear Volcanic Erupter Location: Hong Kong (for now) Posts: 7,008	At Last Kuwaiti Women May Get The Right To Vote And I think it's US influence folks! What do you think? http://cnn.netscape.cnn.com/ns/news/...79.htm&sc=1110

May 17, 2005, 07:42 am	#2 (permalink) (top)
rcne Moderator/nobody Posts: 1,566	Tiny, I had posted this same article on another site. I think the changes in the Mid East toward a representative government that includes women is one of the most positive steps in centuries. Sadly on the other site there are no comments. Some people will only focus on the negative, or their own problems. So they stay blind to the world around them. Live Long and Prosper (Genetics and Capitalism)

May 17, 2005, 09:50 am	#5 (permalink) (top)
RickSp Volcanic Erupter Posts: 9,491	It is a start. An important first step to be sure. Rick "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." Sinclair Lewis

May 17, 2005, 11:13 pm	#7 (permalink) (top)
castille Citizen #21521 Posts: 2,599	Positive - Kuwait will probably get more American money. Negative - Destroying foreign cultures and replacing it with American culture. Ideological loyalty is the act of giving your soul to a vague concept, to be manipulated by people smarter than you.

May 17, 2005, 11:38 pm	#8 (permalink) (top)
moustache Conservative Location: P-Town, OR Posts: 446	and letting women vote is a negative is it castille? Q: What's a conservative? A: A liberal who made it through adolescence.

May 17, 2005, 08:29 am	#3 (permalink) (top)
Gorgo BANNED-Warned multiple times about instigating. User then reported topics multiple times to mess with staff. Posts: 4,412	That story isn't there, but it is here: http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.j...toryID=8515478 sounds good. Don't know how important it is. Voting often doesn't mean much.

May 17, 2005, 11:40 pm	#9 (permalink) (top)
castille Citizen #21521 Posts: 2,599	In some cultures, it is negative. Just as it is negative in some cultures to eat dogs. Ideological loyalty is the act of giving your soul to a vague concept, to be manipulated by people smarter than you.

May 18, 2005, 12:06 am	#10 (permalink) (top)
tinybear Volcanic Erupter Location: Hong Kong (for now) Posts: 7,008	Cannibalism is practised in some cultures.

May 18, 2005, 04:06 am	#11 (permalink) (top)
castille Citizen #21521 Posts: 2,599	Doesn't make it a bad thing. What's wrong with eating people when they're dead? Ideological loyalty is the act of giving your soul to a vague concept, to be manipulated by people smarter than you.

May 18, 2005, 05:30 am	#12 (permalink) (top)
tinybear Volcanic Erupter Location: Hong Kong (for now) Posts: 7,008	So, why do you think it's illegal in most countries? Because it's against the culture of the people of those countries, that's why. But cultural values change. Whereas it was once Kuwaiti culture that women be treated unequally at the electoral polls, now it is no longer; and I say it's because of American influence.

May 23, 2005, 10:10 am	#13 (permalink) (top)
castille Citizen #21521 Posts: 2,599	In other words, Kuwait is now American. Ideological loyalty is the act of giving your soul to a vague concept, to be manipulated by people smarter than you.

May 23, 2005, 11:27 am	#14 (permalink) (top)
tinybear Volcanic Erupter Location: Hong Kong (for now) Posts: 7,008	Hooray! Another American colony!

May 23, 2005, 09:52 pm	#16 (permalink) (top)
castille Citizen #21521 Posts: 2,599	Thus the reason they are a threat. Ideological loyalty is the act of giving your soul to a vague concept, to be manipulated by people smarter than you.

May 24, 2005, 04:40 am	#17 (permalink) (top)
Mia Retired Posts: 7,312	But is Kuwait one of the countris where everyone has to vote for a certain person anyway? If so, it really makes no difference that women can also go and give a false, coerced vote. I'd like to see them have other rights as well. also, why do you think this is American-influenced? And don't you think that changes we force other countries to make might be stated as law but not actually enforced or permitted? For instance, in KSA, women now supposedly have to have the right to consent to a marriage or reject it. That may be the new law, but families may still force marriages and there be consequences if the woman tries to report it. And/or the goverment may not actually back her if she does. A Muslim friend who lives there says the law is a joke - women are still forced into marriages not of their choosing or consent and it will remain that way until a LOT of changes occur in society, which is unlikely given how stern KSA is, and how long it takes a willing society, even, to change that much. If she doesn't consent, the family can cut her off, and she's not permitted to work so how will she live? The law is a result of a suit brought against a woman who's father wouldn't take her back after a divorce. He might have been forced to take her back in, but who can enforce him not making her life hell in the house? "...with like-minded people one cannot discuss. With like-minded people one can only participate in a church service, and you know how I feel about church services." Ayaan Hirsi Ali Last edited by Mia; May 24, 2005 at 04:46 am.

May 24, 2005, 04:49 am	#18 (permalink) (top)
tinybear Volcanic Erupter Location: Hong Kong (for now) Posts: 7,008	Don't hold your breath waiting, Mia. It's difficult enough to get them the right to vote.

May 24, 2005, 05:08 am	#19 (permalink) (top)
tinybear Volcanic Erupter Location: Hong Kong (for now) Posts: 7,008	Whilst we're on the subject, you might wanna visit these links: Wife beating: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/3396597.stm Honor Killings: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/mid...st/2802305.stm Honor Punishment: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/4322021.stm Honor? What Honor? So, you see, there's still a long long way to go. The right to vote is only the beginning.

May 31, 2005, 08:38 am	#20 (permalink) (top)
tinybear Volcanic Erupter Location: Hong Kong (for now) Posts: 7,008	Here's another recent case: http://www.hindustantimes.com/news/7...0500020000.htm What sort of barbaric customs are these? Why isn't there an international outcry?