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| Navy Veteran Location: Texas Posts: 6,031 | Newsweek:We were wrong, no Koran Desacration Quote:
Amazing what happens when a news oragization in it's rugh to break a story. Riots, hate, discontent.. all over a false story, the damage is done. This sucks. Einstein's "Theory of Relativity" is still being challenged to this day, but by consensus Global Warming is a fact... that's REAL science at work, why didn't Albert just go that route? | |
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| Moderator/nobody Posts: 1,566 | That little 5 word blip, which was without substance has cost lives. The Islamic media picked up on it to breed outrage and to make terrorism holy. Now that Newsweek has rescinded the statement and admitted that they don't really have the source do you think the Islamic media will report it? Not a chance. I had heard that it was a Muslim tearing out pages of the Koran and flushing them to protest something. How's that for a religious fighter. Live Long and Prosper (Genetics and Capitalism) |
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| Volcanic Erupter Posts: 9,491 | Newsweek's one source, a military officer backed away from his previous statement. (Sounds like someone got to him.) The riots in Afghanistan are not about a single Newsweek article. They are the cumulative result of widespread prisoner abuse, in Afghanistan, Iraq, Gitmo and torture cells in third countries. This is directly analogous to the Sepoy Rebellion of 1857 when the British introduced the Enfield rifle with shells greased in pig fat and/or tallow. (To load the riffle required biting the shell.) The pig fat offended the Islamic troops while the tallow offended the Hindus. Just like recent events, the Sepoy Rebellion may have been triggered over greased cartridges but was the result of long standing abuses of Indian troops by the British. The same applies today. The Newsweek's article may have been the trigger but the policies that allowed the horrors of AbuGhraib were the cause. Rick "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." Sinclair Lewis |
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| Thats Me Location: Where Am I Again?!?! Posts: 177 | They actually backed off of what report the information was in. The source still says that he has seen it somewhere, but doesnt know where exactly. That is what they have retracted on, not the whole story. |
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| Volcanic Erupter Posts: 9,491 | There are numerous reports of US soldiers desacrating the Koran. Newsweek got it right. Their source merely backed-away, probably under pressure. Quote:
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Newsweek got it right. Rick "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." Sinclair Lewis | |||||
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| 9/11: Inside Job Location: Hawai'i, Big Island Posts: 10,438 | Well Newsweek apologized for spreading disinformation. More than any mainstream media has done for endlessly promoting a war in Iraq that was based upon a nuclear threat to the US. A complete fabrication. "Arms in the hands of the citizens may be used at individual discretion for the defense of the country, the overthrow of tyranny or private self-defense." -- John Adams |
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| Volcanic Erupter Posts: 9,491 | Quote:
Of course the secrets always come out anyway. The folks fanning the flames of hatred are not the ones telling the truth but those engaging in the torture and debasement. Rick "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." Sinclair Lewis | |
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| Principled Observer Location: Toledo, Ohio Posts: 13,873 | I commend Newsweek for printing it, and I am dissapointed in the fact that the people who are saying it was BASELESS don't see what is really happening. The government "ASKED" them to rescind the story, they said NO, but we will apologize since we aren't going to give you all of the personal information of our informants so that you can look into it. As an independent news agency, they are not REQUIRED to provide personal information of informants, ESPECIALLY when the information would mean the end of a long career for a military officer for telling the truth. I commend all those that tell the truth, good or bad, and hope more people are swept up with this notion of truth at all costs, no matter how much it hurts. That is the only way to ENSURE that the transparency is real, and not just a stage show as our government is providing us with now. Vic, you are mis-representing the story yourself. Petition of Redress of Grievances: http://www.givemeliberty.org/default.htm Canadian Lawsuit Against Their National Banks: http://www.freewebs.com/classaction/ Osborn F. Enready |
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![]() Right of Center Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 2,759 | Quote:
Newsweek Retracts Story on Quran Abuse "You have enemies? Good. That means you've stood up for something, sometime in your life." -- Winston Churchill | |
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| Volcanic Erupter Posts: 9,491 | You may notice that they do not say that it didn't happen. They retracted only "its report that a military probe had found evidence of desecration of the Quran." Their source said that he saw a report from a military probe that found the evidence. Now he claims he can't recall if he saw the report. And no doubt the report about which his memory is suddenly so hazy, has disappeared. Of course, the actual desecration has been reported in many other sources, just not perchance in this particular probe. And the first thing the military did when Pat Tillman was killed was cover up and destroy evidence. All seems true to form. Rick "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." Sinclair Lewis |
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| Moderator/nobody Posts: 1,566 | The fact is that 17 people have died as a result of an unfounded story published by liberals to influence public opinion. The basic policy of the press is more 'make news' rather than 'report news'. The source thought he read something somewhere??? Reminds me of Dan Blather...Rather Live Long and Prosper (Genetics and Capitalism) |
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| Volcanic Erupter Posts: 9,491 | Quote:
Many commentators both in print and on the air have commented that this particular news story was merely the proverbial straw that broke the camel's back. The abuse of prisoners and the lack of respect for Islam is a deep and wide story in the Middle East and the tossing of Korans in the toilet has been documented by many sources, not just Newsweek. So sure blame this on the "liberal press" rather than the US policy to abuse and degrade prisoners. How clueless can you get? Rick "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." Sinclair Lewis | |
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| Moderator/nobody Posts: 1,566 | Newsweek In Arabic تصدر عن دار الوطن للصحافة والطباعة والنشر بالإتفاق مع نيوزويك انترناشيونال رئيس ... Umm, do you want to retract your statement? Assume the Waddist Clerics can and will twist anything they can to keep from losing power. The point is their desire to twist the media with an a single unmanned source cost 17 lives and hundreds wounded - for what. Live Long and Prosper (Genetics and Capitalism) |
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| Volcanic Erupter Location: Hong Kong (for now) Posts: 7,017 | The truth shall set you free. Or so we have been led to believe. But sometimes the benefit of revealing the truth is so neglgible and the harm that it causes is so great that not revealing it (not revealing it doesn't necessarily mean lying) is a much better option. Do you not agree? On a lighter note, get a load of these two guys. ![]() Seemingly inconsistent slogans. But not if you think about it a bit more. :) Last edited by tinybear; May 17, 2005 at 01:11 am. |
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| Volcanic Erupter Posts: 3,771 | I think it's extremely unfortunate that neither the U.S. government, nor the media has enough credibility left to convince anyone that the desecration actually happened or not. Both sides have used lies, half-truths, and selective reporting so often that no one can totally believe anything that we're being told these days. Based on what both sides have reported on the abuses at Abu Ghraib and Guantanamo though, if any of the interrogators happened to think that desecrating the Koran would help get information, there's no doubt in my mind that such actions did actually occur. What's much worse, IMHO, is that there are citizens of this country that approve of actions such as this and others that violate the morals and fundamental standards that this country was founded upon, then accuse those that oppose them of somehow desiring "the destruction of the US and our way of life." "Everybody knows that the boat is leaking Everybody knows that the captain lied." - Leonard Cohen |
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| Volcanic Erupter Location: Hong Kong (for now) Posts: 7,017 | I'm not condoning desecration of the Koran, but I can think of acts committed by the other side which is a hell of a lot worse. Newsweek Urged to Do More to Repair Damage By TERENCE HUNT WASHINGTON (AP) - The White House says Newsweek took a ``good first step'' by retracting its story that U.S. investigators found evidence interrogators at Guantanamo Bay desecrated the Quran, but it wants the magazine to do more to repair damage caused by the article. Newsweek on Monday retracted the report in its May 9 issue after officials in the White House, the Pentagon and the State Department criticized its publication and its use of an anonymous source. Protests in Afghanistan, where more than a dozen people died and scores were injured in rioting, and demonstrations elsewhere in the Muslim world were blamed on the article. ``The report had real consequences,'' White House press secretary Scott McClellan said Monday. ``People have lost their lives. Our image abroad has been damaged. There are some who are opposed to the United States and what we stand for who have sought to exploit this allegation. It will take work to undo what can be undone.'' McClellan said a retraction was only ``a good first step'' and said Newsweek should try to set the record straight by ``clearly explaining what happened and how they got it wrong, particularly to the Muslim world, and pointing out the policies and practices of our military.'' http://cnn.netscape.cnn.com/ns/news/...79.htm&sc=1110 Last edited by tinybear; May 17, 2005 at 04:37 am. |
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| Volcanic Erupter Posts: 3,771 | Quote:
"Everybody knows that the boat is leaking Everybody knows that the captain lied." - Leonard Cohen | |
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