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Sonart · May 14, 2005, 06:11 pm

Since the war in Iraq started, we who opposed it have been saying that the administration was intent on going to war from day one and cynically jiggered the intelligence to suit their intentions.

Yet despite ample information to support that conclusion, the administration and their Republican congressional supporters have repeatedly slammed the door on any official investigation of whether or not Dear Leader invented the case for war. The 9/11 Commission dropped it's investigation, the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence cancelled its investigation and the president's commission on intelligence refused to investigate.

In effect, a massive coordinated GOP cover-up, sweeping it under the rug. Yet buried on page A20 of this morning's paper comes the following tidbit confirming what we already knew.

--"U.S. intelligence 'fixed around' invasion policy

WASHINGTON – The summer before the March 2003 invasion of Iraq, the head of British foreign intelligence reported to Prime Minister Tony Blair that President Bush wanted to topple Saddam Hussein by military action and warned that U.S. intelligence was "being fixed around the policy," according to notes of a July 23, 2002, meeting with Blair at No. 10 Downing Street.

"The case was thin," summarized the notes taken by a British national security aide at the meeting. "Saddam was not threatening his neighbours and his WMD capability was less than that of Libya, North Korea or Iran."

The notes of the Blair meeting, attended by the prime minister's senior national security team, show Britain's intelligence boss believed Bush had decided to go to war in mid-2002, and that U.S. policy-makers were trying to use the limited intelligence they had to make the Iraqi leader appear to be a bigger threat than was supported by facts.

Although critics of the Iraq war have accused Bush and his top aides of misusing what has since been shown as limited intelligence in the prewar period, Bush's critics have been unsuccessful in getting an investigation of that matter."--

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RickSp · May 14, 2005, 07:59 pm

What amazes me is how the liberal media played cheerleader in the run-up to the war, publishing phony "intel" fed directly from Bush sources, doing their absolute best to scare Americans about the fictional WMD.

Now the same "liberal" press is ignoring the smoking gun - the clear documentation of what we all really knew - Bush lied us into war.

As an aside, there are more than twice as many journalists covering the Jackson trial as those covering Iraq, and most of teh journaists in Iraq are hiding inthe Green Zone becuase teh US has so little control over any part of teh country to make it safe for them to travel. It appears that the "runaway bride" is about the only news that the US press wants to cover.

OberonDOtherseid · May 14, 2005, 08:42 pm

What amazes me is the accute tunnel vision the anti Bush / pro alqueda camp is afflicted with.

**Pooeypants** · May 15, 2005, 06:43 am

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Quote by: OberonDOtherseid

What amazes me is the accute tunnel vision the anti Bush / pro alqueda camp is afflicted with.

Are you claiming that anyone who doesn't support Bush therefore defaults to supporting an international terrorist organisation (who's strength and numbers were hugely exaggerated)? Isn't that kind of monovision even more narrow minded?

Osborn F Enready · May 15, 2005, 11:09 am

Oberon said:
What amazes me is the accute tunnel vision the anti Bush / pro alqueda camp is afflicted with.

I say:
ROFLMAO. Sure Oberon, anyone who is anti-Bush is Pro Al-Queda? It must be nice to have the luxury of a mind so simple to see things so black and white. The ability to look through evidence, instead of at it. The ability to shrug off opposing views due to single track mind ability.

I suppose all the people who disagree with Bush are meeting in the alleys at night thinking of ways to terrorize Washington now too, eh?

You give new life to the phrase "get a grip". :rolleyes:

ericsp23 · May 15, 2005, 02:04 pm

The thing I've noticed about Oberon is that whenever anyone says anything that threatens to cause reality to come crashing in on his fragile world view, he has to post this kind of absurd nonsense that he knows will piss everyone off and derail the thread. My suggestion to everyone is just to ignore him until he has something of substance to contribute to the debate, which is what I intend to do from here on out.

Runa216 · May 15, 2005, 07:09 pm

that's not nice. I hate bush and everything he's done, but you don't see me marching into washington to raise more hell. that's not my style, I hate bush because I love peace, I wouldn't want to become a hypocrite by doing the same thing bush is doing, starting a war with the intention of peace.

I think it's more insulting to claim anyone who disagrees has tunnel vision. I can see all the facts, and I made my own dicision. at first I kinda agreed with bush's decision, but as time went on, that view changed, and I saw that bush was not doing what he claimed he was doing. that's why I disagree.

I love it how those who support bush are blind followers. (yes, that's hypocrisy, think about it.)

Runa

May 14, 2005, 06:11 pm	#1 (permalink) (top)
Sonart It's simply logical Location: San Diego Posts: 4,333	British notes confirm the coverup of Bush's War Since the war in Iraq started, we who opposed it have been saying that the administration was intent on going to war from day one and cynically jiggered the intelligence to suit their intentions. Yet despite ample information to support that conclusion, the administration and their Republican congressional supporters have repeatedly slammed the door on any official investigation of whether or not Dear Leader invented the case for war. The 9/11 Commission dropped it's investigation, the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence cancelled its investigation and the president's commission on intelligence refused to investigate. In effect, a massive coordinated GOP cover-up, sweeping it under the rug. Yet buried on page A20 of this morning's paper comes the following tidbit confirming what we already knew. --"U.S. intelligence 'fixed around' invasion policy WASHINGTON – The summer before the March 2003 invasion of Iraq, the head of British foreign intelligence reported to Prime Minister Tony Blair that President Bush wanted to topple Saddam Hussein by military action and warned that U.S. intelligence was "being fixed around the policy," according to notes of a July 23, 2002, meeting with Blair at No. 10 Downing Street. "The case was thin," summarized the notes taken by a British national security aide at the meeting. "Saddam was not threatening his neighbours and his WMD capability was less than that of Libya, North Korea or Iran." The notes of the Blair meeting, attended by the prime minister's senior national security team, show Britain's intelligence boss believed Bush had decided to go to war in mid-2002, and that U.S. policy-makers were trying to use the limited intelligence they had to make the Iraqi leader appear to be a bigger threat than was supported by facts. Although critics of the Iraq war have accused Bush and his top aides of misusing what has since been shown as limited intelligence in the prewar period, Bush's critics have been unsuccessful in getting an investigation of that matter."-- . I don't suffer from insanity... I thoroughly enjoy it

May 14, 2005, 07:59 pm	#2 (permalink) (top)
RickSp Volcanic Erupter Posts: 9,491	What amazes me is how the liberal media played cheerleader in the run-up to the war, publishing phony "intel" fed directly from Bush sources, doing their absolute best to scare Americans about the fictional WMD. Now the same "liberal" press is ignoring the smoking gun - the clear documentation of what we all really knew - Bush lied us into war. As an aside, there are more than twice as many journalists covering the Jackson trial as those covering Iraq, and most of teh journaists in Iraq are hiding inthe Green Zone becuase teh US has so little control over any part of teh country to make it safe for them to travel. It appears that the "runaway bride" is about the only news that the US press wants to cover. Rick "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." Sinclair Lewis

May 14, 2005, 08:42 pm	#3 (permalink) (top)
OberonDOtherseid Logic Via Reality Posts: 653	What amazes me is the accute tunnel vision the anti Bush / pro alqueda camp is afflicted with. George Bush kicks ass and takes names in 2005!!

May 15, 2005, 11:09 am	#5 (permalink) (top)
Osborn F Enready Principled Observer Location: Toledo, Ohio Posts: 13,873	Oberon said: What amazes me is the accute tunnel vision the anti Bush / pro alqueda camp is afflicted with. I say: ROFLMAO. Sure Oberon, anyone who is anti-Bush is Pro Al-Queda? It must be nice to have the luxury of a mind so simple to see things so black and white. The ability to look through evidence, instead of at it. The ability to shrug off opposing views due to single track mind ability. I suppose all the people who disagree with Bush are meeting in the alleys at night thinking of ways to terrorize Washington now too, eh? You give new life to the phrase "get a grip". :rolleyes: Petition of Redress of Grievances: http://www.givemeliberty.org/default.htm Canadian Lawsuit Against Their National Banks: http://www.freewebs.com/classaction/ Osborn F. Enready

May 15, 2005, 02:04 pm	#6 (permalink) (top)
ericsp23 Pragmatic liberal Posts: 421	The thing I've noticed about Oberon is that whenever anyone says anything that threatens to cause reality to come crashing in on his fragile world view, he has to post this kind of absurd nonsense that he knows will piss everyone off and derail the thread. My suggestion to everyone is just to ignore him until he has something of substance to contribute to the debate, which is what I intend to do from here on out.

May 15, 2005, 07:09 pm	#7 (permalink) (top)
Runa216 Igneous Magma Posts: 208	that's not nice. I hate bush and everything he's done, but you don't see me marching into washington to raise more hell. that's not my style, I hate bush because I love peace, I wouldn't want to become a hypocrite by doing the same thing bush is doing, starting a war with the intention of peace. I think it's more insulting to claim anyone who disagrees has tunnel vision. I can see all the facts, and I made my own dicision. at first I kinda agreed with bush's decision, but as time went on, that view changed, and I saw that bush was not doing what he claimed he was doing. that's why I disagree. I love it how those who support bush are blind followers. (yes, that's hypocrisy, think about it.) Runa