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tinybear · May 14, 2005, 02:19 pm

As President Chen wins a crucial vote.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/4546437.stm

"I would like to thank the Chinese Communist Party, because each time there is pressure from China, the people show that democracy is what people embrace here in Taiwan," she said.

"One billion three hundred million Chinese friends on the mainland and (Chinese) President Hu Jintao, you have heard the voice of Taiwan's people, Taiwan belongs to its 23 million people."

-----Annette Lu, Vice-President Of Taiwan----

Mr.Vicchio · May 14, 2005, 02:23 pm

Oh Boy.... China, do not do anything stupid please.....

tinybear · May 14, 2005, 02:24 pm

The carrot, the stick, the lies....nothing seems to work. Geez, this is worrying.

Mr.Vicchio · May 14, 2005, 02:26 pm

I cheer the people of Taiwan, I fear for the people of Taiwan, I pray for the people of Taiwan.

tinybear · May 14, 2005, 02:29 pm

Do more than pray. Support their quest for self-determination. Tell the commies to leave Taiwan alone.

Mr.Vicchio · May 14, 2005, 02:34 pm

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Do more than pray. Support their quest for self-determination. Tell the commies to leave Taiwan alone.

Everytime I mail out my Christmas cards, I send the Chinese Premier one saying "Merry Christmas leave Taiwan to Taiwan!"

They never send me one in return... so sad.

**Pooeypants** · May 14, 2005, 03:08 pm

Can we have some serious debating please? You can joke about this issue somewhere else. :rolleyes:

RickSp · May 14, 2005, 05:14 pm

From this banter trying to pass for discussion, it certainly appears that neither of you may know much about what is going on in either Taiwan or China. Taiwan is dependent on China. China is dependent on China and anyone who uses a computer is very dependent on Taiwan.

There was an interesting article in Business Week - Why Taiwan Matters

Mr.Vicchio · May 14, 2005, 06:41 pm

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Can we have some serious debating please? You can joke about this issue somewhere else. :rolleyes:

If only you were so quick to warn other posters that you love pooey, I might take you seriously.

RickSp · May 15, 2005, 11:58 am

Looks like the Taiwanese are acting like Americans when it comes to voting. A 23 percent turnout:

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Elections in Taiwan on Saturday for delegates to a constitutional assembly drew the lowest turnout of any islandwide elections in recent Taiwanese history. Most voters ignored the balloting although it could have a bearing on relations with China.

Few in Taiwan Bother to Vote on Constitutional Assembly

Mr.Vicchio · May 15, 2005, 03:19 pm

It was a weak turn out, normally they coem out in droves to vote. Perhaps it was the change in voting for a party vice a person?

**Pooeypants** · May 15, 2005, 03:36 pm

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If only you were so quick to warn other posters that you love pooey, I might take you seriously.

If you want to make an issue of it, then let's take it to Sean shall we?

castille · May 16, 2005, 08:22 am

You know its funny, Taiwan is actually run by traitors who lost the civil war (they're like the CSA).

The REAL Taiwanese - ie. the aborigines of Taiwan, are being oppressed by the Taiwanese government, and their voices are ignored.

Its like the Confederate States of America lost the Civil War, then fled to Haiti, and oppressed the Haitian people, then declared a "Free Haiti State" ruled by Americans.

Maybe Taiwan should stop oppressing their native people before they have the gall to demand some sort of independence.

Samildanach · May 16, 2005, 08:27 am

Well currently we cant do without Taiwan so they better stop making noises about independence and work towards it more slowly. Fact is China might be more willing to let them go if they were not so crucial.

allen · May 16, 2005, 09:36 am

I don't regard this as a setback. This election is not important. It elects just a special task assembly to amend the constitution, and the amendment will not touch the issue of independence. The constitution will be still the one made in China. They are not making a Taiwan constitution.

China does not care which party leads this election.

RickSp · May 16, 2005, 10:30 am

Allen,

If you get a moment I would be interested in a Taiwanese perspective on the Business Week article I posted earlier. Is is on target? Where does it miss the point? I've repeated the link below.

Thanks.

Why Taiwan Matters

Samildanach · May 16, 2005, 10:32 am

Its very on target.

allen · May 16, 2005, 11:45 am

I am not Taiwanese. I am a mainland Chinese. Therefore I cannot give you a Taiwanese perspective.
But I can give you a Chinese perspective. The taiwanese companies need to create their own brand in order to get a better margin. And mainland China is a perfect place for them to play in the long run.

RickSp · May 16, 2005, 12:11 pm

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I am not Taiwanese. I am a mainland Chinese. Therefore I cannot give you a Taiwanese perspective.
But I can give you a Chinese perspective. The taiwanese companies need to create their own brand in order to get a better margin. And mainland China is a perfect place for them to play in the long run.

Sorry for my confusion.

There was one comment in the article that I found very interesting. The Americans think they are outsourcing manufacturing while the Taiwanese think they have it backwards. The Taiwanese think that they are outsourcing marketing and distribution.

allen · May 16, 2005, 01:19 pm

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Sorry for my confusion.

There was one comment in the article that I found very interesting. The Americans think they are outsourcing manufacturing while the Taiwanese think they have it backwards. The Taiwanese think that they are outsourcing marketing and distribution.

The american version is obviously closer to the truth. There might be some execeptions, but overally taiwanese coporations are just doing labour work for American companies. The final products bear American brands like HP, Dell, Intel etc. American companies take most of the profit and decide who get how much share of it. Taiwanese companies know this clearly.

Mainland China as a market provides an once in life chance for those comapnies to get out of that predicament.

May 14, 2005, 02:19 pm	#1 (permalink) (top)
tinybear Volcanic Erupter Location: Hong Kong (for now) Posts: 7,009	China's Taiwan Policy Suffers Another Setback As President Chen wins a crucial vote. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/4546437.stm "I would like to thank the Chinese Communist Party, because each time there is pressure from China, the people show that democracy is what people embrace here in Taiwan," she said. "One billion three hundred million Chinese friends on the mainland and (Chinese) President Hu Jintao, you have heard the voice of Taiwan's people, Taiwan belongs to its 23 million people." -----Annette Lu, Vice-President Of Taiwan----

May 14, 2005, 02:23 pm	#2 (permalink) (top)
Mr.Vicchio Navy Veteran Location: Texas Posts: 6,031	Oh Boy.... China, do not do anything stupid please..... Einstein's "Theory of Relativity" is still being challenged to this day, but by consensus Global Warming is a fact... that's REAL science at work, why didn't Albert just go that route?

May 14, 2005, 02:26 pm	#4 (permalink) (top)
Mr.Vicchio Navy Veteran Location: Texas Posts: 6,031	I cheer the people of Taiwan, I fear for the people of Taiwan, I pray for the people of Taiwan. Einstein's "Theory of Relativity" is still being challenged to this day, but by consensus Global Warming is a fact... that's REAL science at work, why didn't Albert just go that route?

May 14, 2005, 03:08 pm	#7 (permalink) (top)
Pooeypants Neo Moderator Location: England Posts: 5,549	Can we have some serious debating please? You can joke about this issue somewhere else. :rolleyes: War is Peace Freedom is Slavery Ignorance is strength Harness the power of Ingsoc, then you can capture someone killed the year before

May 14, 2005, 05:14 pm	#8 (permalink) (top)
RickSp Volcanic Erupter Posts: 9,491	From this banter trying to pass for discussion, it certainly appears that neither of you may know much about what is going on in either Taiwan or China. Taiwan is dependent on China. China is dependent on China and anyone who uses a computer is very dependent on Taiwan. There was an interesting article in Business Week - Why Taiwan Matters Rick "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." Sinclair Lewis Last edited by RickSp; May 14, 2005 at 07:35 pm.

May 14, 2005, 02:24 pm	#3 (permalink) (top)
tinybear Volcanic Erupter Location: Hong Kong (for now) Posts: 7,009	The carrot, the stick, the lies....nothing seems to work. Geez, this is worrying.

May 14, 2005, 02:29 pm	#5 (permalink) (top)
tinybear Volcanic Erupter Location: Hong Kong (for now) Posts: 7,009	Do more than pray. Support their quest for self-determination. Tell the commies to leave Taiwan alone.

May 15, 2005, 03:19 pm	#11 (permalink) (top)
Mr.Vicchio Navy Veteran Location: Texas Posts: 6,031	It was a weak turn out, normally they coem out in droves to vote. Perhaps it was the change in voting for a party vice a person? Einstein's "Theory of Relativity" is still being challenged to this day, but by consensus Global Warming is a fact... that's REAL science at work, why didn't Albert just go that route?

May 16, 2005, 08:22 am	#13 (permalink) (top)
castille Citizen #21521 Posts: 2,599	You know its funny, Taiwan is actually run by traitors who lost the civil war (they're like the CSA). The REAL Taiwanese - ie. the aborigines of Taiwan, are being oppressed by the Taiwanese government, and their voices are ignored. Its like the Confederate States of America lost the Civil War, then fled to Haiti, and oppressed the Haitian people, then declared a "Free Haiti State" ruled by Americans. Maybe Taiwan should stop oppressing their native people before they have the gall to demand some sort of independence. Ideological loyalty is the act of giving your soul to a vague concept, to be manipulated by people smarter than you.

May 16, 2005, 08:27 am	#14 (permalink) (top)
Samildanach Pragmatist Location: UK London Posts: 1,979	Well currently we cant do without Taiwan so they better stop making noises about independence and work towards it more slowly. Fact is China might be more willing to let them go if they were not so crucial. I wouldn't recommend sex, drugs and insanity for everyone, but its always worked for me. Never think that war, no matter how necessary, nor how justified, is not a crime." (Ernest Hemingway)

May 16, 2005, 09:36 am	#15 (permalink) (top)
allen Igneous Magma Posts: 199	I don't regard this as a setback. This election is not important. It elects just a special task assembly to amend the constitution, and the amendment will not touch the issue of independence. The constitution will be still the one made in China. They are not making a Taiwan constitution. China does not care which party leads this election.

May 16, 2005, 10:30 am	#16 (permalink) (top)
RickSp Volcanic Erupter Posts: 9,491	Allen, If you get a moment I would be interested in a Taiwanese perspective on the Business Week article I posted earlier. Is is on target? Where does it miss the point? I've repeated the link below. Thanks. Why Taiwan Matters Rick "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." Sinclair Lewis

May 16, 2005, 10:32 am	#17 (permalink) (top)
Samildanach Pragmatist Location: UK London Posts: 1,979	Its very on target. I wouldn't recommend sex, drugs and insanity for everyone, but its always worked for me. Never think that war, no matter how necessary, nor how justified, is not a crime." (Ernest Hemingway)

May 16, 2005, 11:45 am	#18 (permalink) (top)
allen Igneous Magma Posts: 199	I am not Taiwanese. I am a mainland Chinese. Therefore I cannot give you a Taiwanese perspective. But I can give you a Chinese perspective. The taiwanese companies need to create their own brand in order to get a better margin. And mainland China is a perfect place for them to play in the long run.