Beheading Policy, Your President is Sick, America

[Matt W]

I don't know if terrorists like Bin Laden should be accorded the due process of our laws which he despises, does not acknowledge and wishes to destroy, Pooey.

Those laws were made to apply to everyone, tb - not just the people we like. We're not him - so why act like him?

[mr.perfecto]

Because we're at war with him? You've got give the people what they want. If he wants a trial he either needs to become an American citizen or surrender. The question is mostly academic anyway. Whose laws are we going to try him under? Ours? Who are we to force him to comply with our laws when never had a voice in making them or the option of not submitting to them? That can't be fair can it. :)

[Pooeypants]

Quote by: tinybear I don't know if terrorists like Bin Laden should be accorded the due process of our laws which he despises, does not acknowledge and wishes to destroy, Pooey.

If we stop reinforcing our laws then they fail to have meaning and purpose. Nobody is above the law and correspondingly, nobody is below it.

[Cephus]

Quote by: tinybear I don't know if terrorists like Bin Laden should be accorded the due process of our laws which he despises, does not acknowledge and wishes to destroy, Pooey.

Of course he does, otherwise we're no better than he is. The US has a justice system, even for people who commit heinous crimes and freely admit they did it.

[tinybear]

I'd disagree. The man mocks our legal system and does not submit to its jurisdiction. The way I see it is he is not entitled to be tried under it, nor does he wish to be. Besides, let's face it: does anyone doubt his guilt?

[gr8fuldaniel]

Quote by: tinybear I'd disagree. The man mocks our legal system and does not submit to its jurisdiction.

That happens everyday, and these same mockers and outlaws all get their day in court.

[gr8fuldaniel]

ooops, I should have included this:

Quote by: tinybear Besides, let's face it: does anyone doubt his guilt?

I do. What evidence do we have? Who are all his accomplices? I see a lot of cover-ups involved in 911. Including, the stand down of NORAD and the hasty removal of steel from WTC, to Asia before it could be forensically examined. Hundreds of Unanswered Questions. It all adds up to at least complicity, if not outright conspiracy to commit, and commission of heinous crimes against Americans and world citizens.

[gr8fuldaniel]

If you are going to take Usama to court, you have to get his accomplices too, Right? Thats why they dont want a trial.

[tinybear]

I thought he admitted it. Besides, he's guilty of lots of other terrorist acts apart from 9/11 and he admits them too.

[ericsp23]

When we lower ourselves to the same level as our enemy then we have lost any moral superiority over them and we cannot expect anyone else to help us. We are basically just 2 factions fighting for control and outsiders have no incentive to support either side over the other.
It is false to say that we put ourselves at a disadvantage by following the rules that have been established by the international community. We are stronger with allies than without.

[tinybear]

Who woud we put on the jury though? Americans? That won't work. Any American jury would be biased or perceived as biased. Hmm....Arabs? Nah, biased the other way. How about some people from Thailand? Nah, they have TV over there and most of them have watched "True Lies". Who? Big problem that, ain't it?

[gr8fuldaniel]

It would have to be a war crimes court, like Nuremberg.
It would have to be a world court because the victims of 911 were not only Americans.
The right to a jury of peers should be afforded Osama and all the Americans involved, too.

[Milton Bradley]

Quote by: gr8fuldaniel If you are going to take Usama to court, you have to get his accomplices too, Right? Thats why they dont want a trial.

I love it when somebody points out what should be obvious to us, and yet is not.

[gr8fuldaniel]

No WMDs?
No Problem......... We can just un-BOMB Iraq. Put $300 BILLION back into our National Treasury. Bring 1600 US soldiers back to life. Bring 150,000 INNOCENT Iraqis back to life, and fire haliburton, because we just UN-Bombed Iraq. Restore our civil rights, because the war on terror is a charade. Last but not least, Impeach bush, for high treason. Run all complicit Republicans out of Washington DC. FOREVER. Gitmotize every last one of em. After a fair trial of course.

[Logjam]

Quote by: ericsp23 When we lower ourselves to the same level as our enemy then we have lost any moral superiority over them and we cannot expect anyone else to help us. We are basically just 2 factions fighting for control and outsiders have no incentive to support either side over the other. It is false to say that we put ourselves at a disadvantage by following the rules that have been established by the international community. We are stronger with allies than without.

We are only stronger with allies who support our interests; as we support theres.

Support swings both ways. We should not ally ourselves with those who wish us ill. It can be argued that France and Germany wish us ill.

[Logjam]

Quote by: gr8fuldaniel No WMDs? No Problem......... We can just un-BOMB Iraq. Put $300 BILLION back into our National Treasury. Bring 1600 US soldiers back to life. Bring 150,000 INNOCENT Iraqis back to life, and fire haliburton, because we just UN-Bombed Iraq. Restore our civil rights, because the war on terror is a charade. Last but not least, Impeach bush, for high treason. Run all complicit Republicans out of Washington DC. FOREVER. Gitmotize every last one of em. After a fair trial of course.

We have not killed 150,000 innocent Iraqis. We are VERY careful to not injure innocent folks. Sure some are injured, but we go to extreme degrees to avoid hurting those who don't need to be hurt.

Would you prefer, gr8; that we turn Iraq back over to the Baathists? Should we release Saddam so that he can reclaim power?

Is that what you want? :(

[OberonDOtherseid]

Quote by: gr8fuldaniel No WMDs? No Problem......... We can just un-BOMB Iraq. Put $300 BILLION back into our National Treasury. Bring 1600 US soldiers back to life. Bring 150,000 INNOCENT Iraqis back to life, and fire haliburton, because we just UN-Bombed Iraq. Restore our civil rights, because the war on terror is a charade. Last but not least, Impeach bush, for high treason. Run all complicit Republicans out of Washington DC. FOREVER. Gitmotize every last one of em. After a fair trial of course.

So, how many people died in Hiroshima? Were they ALL asians? I doubt it. The attack came on American soil on 9/11.

[Logjam]

Quote by: OberonDOtherseid So, how many people died in Hiroshima? Were they ALL asians? I doubt it. The attack came on American soil on 9/11.

But the bombs that we dropped in Japan ended the war. If we had not dropped them we would have invaded Japan. The Japanese would have fought tooth and nail. It's estimated by military historians that the battle for Japan would have lasted at least a year and a half, and would have cost 1 million American lives and 9 million Japanese.

The bombs killed 60,000 in Hiroshima and 8,000 in Nagisaki. (I was privy to the secret after action documents.)

So our bombs saved a million American lives and 8,932,000 Japanese lives.

I think that the battle would have taken two years and cost many more Japanese than the estimates say. I know Japanese who were living in Japan at the time. One guy was a third grader. He told me that they were being taught how to hang themselves. The children were being taught that Marines ate children. His parents were being taught how to fight with sharpened sticks. Others were being armed with poorly made rifles, but they worked.

I asked the Japanese gent (a famous San Francisco artist) what surprised him most about what happened after the war. He said that he was amazed at how friendly and the Marines were, and at how kindly they treated the children.

Without the bombs the battle for Japan would have been a blood bath.

[gr8fuldaniel]

Quote by: Logjam It can be argued that France and Germany wish us ill.

Because they would not join us in the illegal Iraqi war for profit?

Quote by: Logjam Would you prefer, gr8; that we turn Iraq back over to the Baathists? Should we release Saddam so that he can reclaim power? Is that what you want?

We need to leave and let them run their own government. We are only a magnet for violence. We have no right to be there.

Quote by: OberonDOtherseid So, how many people died in Hiroshima? Were they ALL asians? I doubt it. The attack came on American soil on 9/11.

Changing the subject?

Quote by: Logjam Without the bombs the battle for Japan would have been a blood bath.

Gosh its almost as if war is peace. :rolleyes:

[Pooeypants]

Quote by: tinybear I thought he admitted it. Besides, he's guilty of lots of other terrorist acts apart from 9/11 and he admits them too.

Osama Bin Laden didn't even mastermind the plan, all he did was fund for the crime. Obviously it was wrongful to do so but it does not mean he shouldn't get a fair trial, just like everyone deserves.