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Old May 15, 2005, 03:02 am   #21 (permalink) (top)
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When did OBL have his day in court?...
If you start firing bullets into a crowd, a police officers's first obligation is to stop you from inflicting more harm. He doesn't need a court order to use lethal force in that case. You might want to stop trying to bend the rules to protect mass murderers, taking that position certainly won't help you win any friends.

Besides, if he wasn't guilty he would be telling everyone who would listen that he wasn't.
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Old May 15, 2005, 04:34 am   #22 (permalink) (top)
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Cephus said:
They'll either learn their lesson or they'll run out of people.
Either way is fine with me.


I say:
Well, if it is we that runs out of soldiers, before they run out of extremists, are you ready to strap on your gear, and be the next to die for the cause?

I served my time, and when I served, I actually believed in the cause. I didn't find out until later that the war I served in was just another scham, another ruse, another lie to the American people from its government.

There was a time when I would have been glad to serve, but now, I will only serve myself, since my government long ago stopped representing me even though it still FORCES me to pay for the services it doesn't provide.

By the way, its OLD news that the insurgents aren't really insurgents, they are disgruntled citizens who want America the hell out of Iraq. We are also helping the matters at hand, by more releases of the Quran being defaced by American guards in Gitmo.

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Old May 15, 2005, 05:29 am   #23 (permalink) (top)
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This is a joke man, do you post this stuff to get a rise or do you really believe they want to behead bin Laden and bring his head back on a silver platter?


Ever hear of the term "figure of speech"?
Awwww....c'mon...he's just kidding!




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Old May 15, 2005, 11:04 am   #24 (permalink) (top)
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do you post this stuff to get a rise or do you really believe they want to behead bin Laden and bring his head back on a silver platter?
No, actually I believe he is more valuable to the Corporations/Bush/NWO as a boogy-man, they need a living demon to rally the people into a lynch mob mentality. I would say OBL is good for 2 more wars, even though he is probably already dead.


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If you start firing bullets into a crowd, a police officers's first obligation is to stop you from inflicting more harm. He doesn't need a court order to use lethal force in that case.
Why did they turn the job over to Afghan warlords, at Tora Bora then? If he wasnt actually already dead from kidney failure, before 911 even happened.



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You might want to stop trying to bend the rules to protect mass murderers, taking that position certainly won't help you win any friends.
You mean like you protect "w", the most bloody man since Hitler? Compare 911 to the Reichstag fire. The people believed the propaganda and beat the drums of war. They filled the streets in support of Hitlers campaign against vaporous demons.


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Awwww....c'mon...he's just kidding!
I didnt make this up. Check the source. How do I really feel about it? This is a psyops to make us think Bush is not in league with OBL. That they really didnt want 911 to happen. When in fact it is the most profitable thing that could ever happen.

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Old May 15, 2005, 12:44 pm   #25 (permalink) (top)
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You mean like you protect "w", the most bloody man since Hitler?
I take that back. Bush hasnt dropped any Atom bombs, yet. Only Depleted Uranium that we are only beginning to see the horrors of.
IMO this is worse because it radiates American soldiers too, not just the innocent civilians we are fighting against.........er, Liberating.
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Old May 15, 2005, 01:05 pm   #26 (permalink) (top)
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Worse than Hitler!!!
This is the weapon that kills long after their national resources are sucked out of the sand.
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Horror Of US Depleted Uranium In Iraq Threatens World
By James Denver
May 13, 2005, 06:57

American use of DU is "A crime against humanity which may, in the eyes of historians, rank with the worst atrocities of all time." US Iraq Military Vets "are on DU death row, waiting to die."
"I'm horrified. The people out there - the Iraqis, the media and the troops - risk the most appalling ill health. And the radiation from depleted uranium can travel literally anywhere. It's going to destroy the lives of thousands of children, all over the world. We all know how far radiation can travel. Radiation from Chernobyl reached Wales and in Britain you sometimes get red dust from the Sahara on your car."

The speaker is not some alarmist doomsayer. He is Dr. Chris Busby, the British radiation expert, Fellow of the University of Liverpool in the Faculty of Medicine and UK representative on the European Committee on Radiation Risk, talking about the best-kept secret of this war: the fact that by illegally using hundreds of tons of depleted uranium (DU) against Iraq, Britain and America have gravely endangered not only the Iraqis but the whole world.

For these weapons have released deadly, carcinogenic and mutagenic, radioactive particles in such abundance that-whipped up by sandstorms and carried on trade winds - there is no corner of the globe they cannot penetrate-including Britain. For the wind has no boundaries and time is on their side: the radioactivity persists for over 4,500,000,000 years and can cause cancer, leukemia, brain damage, kidney failure, and extreme birth defects - killing millions of every age for centuries to come. A crime against humanity which may, in the eyes of historians, rank with the worst atrocities of all time.
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Depleted uranium victims plead for understanding, help

Army National Guard Specialist Gerard Matthew is a veteran of the Iraq war. He has an 11-month-old daughter who was born with a deformed right hand. If she tries to stand, and falls, she will not put out here arms to protect herself.

Matthew, himself, suffers constant headaches and blurred vision. He has tested positive for depleted uranium, a component used in tank armor, and weapons shells. Dust from unexploded shells can be inhaled. The symptoms can be devastating.
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Old May 15, 2005, 01:38 pm   #27 (permalink) (top)
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That doesnt make any sense because we started it and they are saying the same thing.
We did OBL (provided he isnt dead like it was reported 3 years ago) a big favor. We attacked an oil rich mid eastern country, without provocation. That will boost recruitment for muslim extremists who were just looking for a cause to fight.

You must not value the lives of American soldiers to make them sitting ducks in a hotbed of hate. For profit of the few. This is not about terror. Terror is but the ruse used to steal the oil.

Iraq had no terrorists before we got there.
Iraq had plenty of terrorists, just none of them aimed at the US. We all know that we didn't go into Iraq looking for OBL or terrorists, we did it because Bush wanted to prove he had cajones and Saddam tried to kill his daddy. It was a personal vendetta, pure and simple, and all this WMD nonsense is just a smokescreen. You're right, we did the terrorists a great favor and are probably the best recruiting tool they could ever dream of.

We have no business being in Iraq or Afghanistan, but that doesn't change the fact that you need to treat terrorism, when you have to deal with it at all, the same way they do. They are religious fanatics and aren't going to listen to reason, they aren't going to stop until either you are dead or they are.

So let's make it them.
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Old May 15, 2005, 02:10 pm   #28 (permalink) (top)
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Yeah, we cannot turn back the clock. We're in Iraq whether you or I like it or not. It's now either us or them. I say it's time to fight with a free hand. There is no other choice.
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Old May 15, 2005, 02:31 pm   #29 (permalink) (top)
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Yeah, we cannot turn back the clock. We're in Iraq whether you or I like it or not. It's now either us or them. I say it's time to fight with a free hand. There is no other choice.
That's right. When you dig yourself into a hole, the best option is to just keep digging deeper and deeper!

Absolutely brilliant! With that sort of military mind, we should call you General Custer.


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Old May 15, 2005, 03:07 pm   #30 (permalink) (top)
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When you're in a hole, you have to climb out of it. Climbing is hard work. There are no short cuts.

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Old May 15, 2005, 03:23 pm   #31 (permalink) (top)
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By the way, its OLD news that the insurgents aren't really insurgents, they are disgruntled citizens who want America the hell out of Iraq. We are also helping the matters at hand, by more releases of the Quran being defaced by American guards in Gitmo.
Aren't really insurgents, eh? Seems like these disgruntled citizens are killing an awful lot of their fellow citizens.

Bodies of 34 people found dumped in Iraq


BAGHDAD (Reuters) - Iraqi authorities said on Sunday they had discovered the bodies of 34 people who had been killed execution-style then dumped in three locations.

Iraqi police said they had found the bodies of 13 people who were shot dead and left in a garbage dump in Baghdad.

A police official said the handcuffed men, mostly bearded, were shot in the head and left in an area of eastern Baghdad near where 14 other corpses were recently discovered.

"Residents of the area called us and said a garbage truck came early this morning and dumped the bodies and we confirmed it," a police official told Reuters.

Read more: http://cnn.netscape.cnn.com/ns/news/...ewp_news_iraq2
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Old May 15, 2005, 03:47 pm   #32 (permalink) (top)
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In their minds we are desecrating the Holy Land. They want us to leave. Only great egos and great wealth are keeping us there.
How fucking immature is that.... on any level?

How many more lives per gallon, will it take for us to do the right thing?

Think about it. If ultimately we will have to leave to stabilize the area.
How much longer will we delay the inevitable?
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Old May 15, 2005, 03:49 pm   #33 (permalink) (top)
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Our departure will stabilize nothing.
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Old May 15, 2005, 05:24 pm   #34 (permalink) (top)
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When you're in a hole, you have to climb out of it. Climbing is hard work. There are no short cuts.
Yes, you've finally got the direction right. Out. It is time to get out, General Custer.

The only thing that unites the insurgency is a common enemy, us. The longer we stay the worse it will get.


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Old May 16, 2005, 05:05 am   #35 (permalink) (top)
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Why is it you people only see the dark side to what happening over there? I have relatives who are going back because they feel deep inside that a lot of progress is being made. All you see on the television and in the media in general is the bad, there is a lot of good there too. Don't be swallowed up in rhetorical dogma and anti war propaganda, nothing comes without a price.


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Old May 16, 2005, 05:51 am   #36 (permalink) (top)
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When we deal with terrorists, we can't win unless we take off the kid gloves and fight fire with fire. Send out our death squads. Bring back their heads on a silver platter. They show us no mercy; don't expect any from us.

As for the terrorists we once trained (or helped), well, that's the past. There can be no eternal friends or foes. So get over it. We'll just have to eliminate our present enemies the best we can and rectify our past mistakes if necessary.
I agree. IMHO, a good tactic would be to incorporate a drop of pig blood in every bullet we make. If the bad guys die desecrated with the blood of pigs, there is no Allah for them and no VW Microbus full of virgins. Terror for the terrorists. We have to strike them at their weak points just as they strike us at theirs. The difference is, in this case, they are weaker than we are.


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Old May 16, 2005, 06:54 am   #37 (permalink) (top)
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I agree. IMHO, a good tactic would be to incorporate a drop of pig blood in every bullet we make. If the bad guys die desecrated with the blood of pigs, there is no Allah for them and no VW Microbus full of virgins. Terror for the terrorists. We have to strike them at their weak points just as they strike us at theirs. The difference is, in this case, they are weaker than we are.
Spreading disease as well I gather? Unless you sterilise the pig's blood, of course.
Isn't it better to find the root of the problem and deal with that as opposed to shooting down an ever replenishing simply of misinformed, young muslim men? I thought life was precious? You sound so willing to take it.


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Old May 16, 2005, 08:51 am   #38 (permalink) (top)
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I agree. IMHO, a good tactic would be to incorporate a drop of pig blood in every bullet we make. If the bad guys die desecrated with the blood of pigs, there is no Allah for them and no VW Microbus full of virgins. Terror for the terrorists. We have to strike them at their weak points just as they strike us at theirs. The difference is, in this case, they are weaker than we are.
You pansy ass. If you want to do it right, smear some pig blood on an ICBM or two and level the whole frigging country. Nothing more liberating than incineration. Blow them all away. Let Allah sort it out. That will show the ragheads a thing a two.


(You macho fools just don't have a clue. Being tough and stupid is just stupid.)


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TB - no, we wouldn't. We'd drop you like a rag doll. You think you're unpopular now?


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If the bad guys die desecrated with the blood of pigs, there is no Allah for them and no VW Microbus full of virgins
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