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Mr.Vicchio · May 13, 2005, 02:12 pm

WOW.

Talk about some big hits, Ellsworth S.D., major hit, Groton going down, Pascagoula...

Lotta unhappy people out there. Maine is being slapped hard, I was wrong that Brunswick would close, but we're losing 2400 active personel thus the base will be just an empty airfield with a reserve component to keep the runways open "just in case"

Man big stuff.

rcne · May 13, 2005, 03:08 pm

Our local base missed the cut, it a good day here in the valley.

The unneeded bases can be used for refineries, that is a bottleneck. That is until alternative sources come on line.

I plan on getting a hybrid next time around.

gr8fuldaniel · May 13, 2005, 03:34 pm

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The unneeded bases can be used for refineries,

Heres another potential:

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U.S. CONCENTRATION CAMPS
FEMA AND THE REX 84 PROGRAM

There over 600 prison camps in the United States, all fully operational and ready to receive prisoners. They are all staffed and even surrounded by full-time guards, but they are all empty. These camps are to be operated by FEMA (Federal Emergency Management Agency) should Martial Law need to be implemented in the United States.

The Rex 84 Program was established on the reasoning that if a mass exodus of illegal aliens crossed the Mexican/US border, they would be quickly rounded up and detained in detention centers by FEMA. Rex 84 allowed many military bases to be closed down and to be turned into prisons.

Operation Cable Splicer and Garden Plot are the two sub programs which will be implemented once the Rex 84 program is initiated for its proper purpose. Garden Plot is the program to control the population. Cable Splicer is the program for an orderly takeover of the state and local governments by the federal government. FEMA is the executive arm of the coming police state and thus will head up all operations. The Presidential Executive Orders already listed on the Federal Register also are part of the legal framework for this operation.

The camps all have railroad facilities as well as roads leading to and from the detention facilities. Many also have an airport nearby. The majority of the camps can house a population of 20,000 prisoners. Currently, the largest of these facilities is just outside of Fairbanks, Alaska. The Alaskan facility is a massive mental health facility and can hold approximately 2 million people.

I dont know if we are allowed to talk about this stuff or not. Is it supposed to be a secret?

PatrickHenry · May 13, 2005, 03:45 pm

Sean won't like it.

rcne · May 13, 2005, 04:02 pm

Whoa.. gr8, is there any other supporting documents for this. Sounds like plan 'Z' to me?

Right in line with concentrations camps, nasty things. If the exist why haven't they, or some of them been opened yet?

We do have massive amounts of people invading the borders, so why haven't these camps be activated?

gr8fuldaniel · May 13, 2005, 04:38 pm

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Sean won't like it.

I was only offering an alternate viewpoint. Cant we debate alternate viewpoints? They havent denied these bases would be used for such purposes, have they?

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If the exist why haven't they, or some of them been opened yet?

One of them has been opened...Gitmo. It is on American soil yet has done its damndest to avoid accountability on the grounds that it is not within the borders of any state. Now that the courts have hindered the "enemy combatants" angle, they will have to work another angle. Revisionist history would have us forget about how they have transgressed the constitution and Bill of Rights. They want to jail opponents or kill them with no due process. No Lawyers, no Phone Call, Jailed INDEFINITELY. For any fucking reason they want.

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We do have massive amounts of people invading the borders, so why haven't these camps be activated?

Its not about influx, but those who would escape when the other shoe drops. The day of fascism.

Gorgo · May 13, 2005, 05:26 pm

Base Realignment and Closure Web Site

Waychel · May 13, 2005, 06:06 pm

Personally, I think that people are overlooking the fact that this has been government policy since the end of WWII. Most bases these days are a remnant from that era, which had far greater military needs than (we can only hope) will ever be necessary in our lifetimes. These bases were major employers at that time as well, but life still went on without them once they were closed down. Afterall, if there is no longer a need for these facilities, why should we (as tax payers) be required to shoulder the burden of continuing to employ them? That money would be better spent towards future facilities that are not only more updated, but will likely generate even more jobs.

The problem with towns that revolve around a military base or similar government facility is that job opportunities there are actually limited by said base or facility being the only real source of employment out there. Although the facility does contribute to job opportunities, the community’s growth is for the most part limited to their availability as a result. As the community grows, more of the people within it will find that they have better chances of employment elsewhere.

We see these same decisions made every day whenever our state closes down an old penitentiary or power plant with plans to build a newer or larger facility elsewhere. Although it is regrettable that people will inevitably lose their jobs, this is a natural process and we only have further growth and more up-to-date facilities to look forward to as a result. I wish that people wouldn't be so pessimistic; looking forward has always been The American Way.

Gorgo · May 13, 2005, 06:10 pm

If decreases in the military budget would coincide with the layoffs, that would be okay.

Mia · May 14, 2005, 12:18 am

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They want to jail opponents or kill them with no due process. No Lawyers, no Phone Call, Jailed INDEFINITELY. For any fucking reason they want.

Not only opponents, and yes for ANYTHING they want. A friend of a friend is being held right now for supposedly attempting to take things with him to Syria that he was not supposed to. Thing is, the items were passed at DFW, then he was detained in Detroit.

The other thing is, his wife says they weren't even there to begin with. She packed his bags and was with him until past the baggage check-in.

No one can figure out a reason for his arrest other then just more bad press for Syria.

This man is Syrian-born, but an American citizen of 20 years. He was in the security department of the airport for 10.

He is being held with no contact to family or his lawyer allowed for supposedly carrying a stun-gun, a metal-detector, rounds of ammunition (no weapon) and cash. None of these things are illegal to have in your carry on, and if they were, they should have made him remove them at DFW instead of giving them the OK and then arresting him in Detroit.

His wife said he did have a metal detector, the kind my friend planned on taking home to a relative who wanted one that isn't available there, and cash. No more than a certain amount is allowed, but usually a fine is paid if you're caught with more, not inprisonment. She said absolutely there was no stun gun or ammo. and if there were, again, this was in carry-on luggage, so in no way a threat. And OK'd by DFW security. His bags were searced there.

Would this have happened if he weren't Syrian-born? I don't think so.

The whole thing makes no sense, but he isn't the only victim of the new Patriot Act laws labeling people 'combatants' to usurp their constitutional rights.

SockPuppet · May 14, 2005, 01:20 am

Stun guns and ammunition are absolutely prohibited in carry-on luggage. The fact that your criminal friend-of-a-friend wasn't caught at DFW didn't suddenly make him exempt.

You only have to report currency if you're carrying $10K or more on an international flight -- so if he had more than that, it wasn't a crime on the domestic leg of his flight.

He sure as hell sounds like someone I wouldn't want on a plane with me.

Mia · Jan 16, 2007, 10:55 pm

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Stun guns and ammunition are absolutely prohibited in carry-on luggage. The fact that your criminal friend-of-a-friend wasn't caught at DFW didn't suddenly make him exempt.

You only have to report currency if you're carrying $10K or more on an international flight -- so if he had more than that, it wasn't a crime on the domestic leg of his flight.

He sure as hell sounds like someone I wouldn't want on a plane with me.

It was in his checked baggage - looked over and cleared by DFW. They decided to make an issue of it at the next connection.

**Jack** · Jan 17, 2007, 12:39 am

Geez, Mia. If you're going to wait a year and a half between responses to posts, this forum is really gonna drag...

Mia · Jun 10, 2007, 06:41 am

Is 5 months better? I should have a system to go back to threads I've commented in.

May 13, 2005, 02:12 pm	#1 (permalink) (top)
Mr.Vicchio Navy Veteran Location: Texas Posts: 6,335	Brac List WOW. Talk about some big hits, Ellsworth S.D., major hit, Groton going down, Pascagoula... Lotta unhappy people out there. Maine is being slapped hard, I was wrong that Brunswick would close, but we're losing 2400 active personel thus the base will be just an empty airfield with a reserve component to keep the runways open "just in case" Man big stuff. Einstein's "Theory of Relativity" is still being challenged to this day, but by consensus Global Warming is a fact... that's REAL science at work, why didn't Albert just go that route? Last edited by Mr.Vicchio; May 13, 2005 at 02:19 pm.

May 13, 2005, 03:08 pm	#2 (permalink) (top)
rcne Moderator/nobody Posts: 1,566	Our local base missed the cut, it a good day here in the valley. The unneeded bases can be used for refineries, that is a bottleneck. That is until alternative sources come on line. I plan on getting a hybrid next time around. Live Long and Prosper (Genetics and Capitalism)

May 13, 2005, 03:45 pm	#4 (permalink) (top)
PatrickHenry 9/11: Inside Job Location: Hawai'i, Big Island Posts: 10,455	Sean won't like it. "Arms in the hands of the citizens may be used at individual discretion for the defense of the country, the overthrow of tyranny or private self-defense." -- John Adams

May 13, 2005, 04:02 pm	#5 (permalink) (top)
rcne Moderator/nobody Posts: 1,566	Whoa.. gr8, is there any other supporting documents for this. Sounds like plan 'Z' to me? Right in line with concentrations camps, nasty things. If the exist why haven't they, or some of them been opened yet? We do have massive amounts of people invading the borders, so why haven't these camps be activated? Live Long and Prosper (Genetics and Capitalism)

Jan 17, 2007, 12:39 am	#13 (permalink) (top)
Jack formerly Isherwood Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 14,198	Geez, Mia. If you're going to wait a year and a half between responses to posts, this forum is really gonna drag... The Forum Rules Radical Atheist Heathen Queer Let's agree to respect each others views, no matter how wrong yours may be. (Ashleigh Brilliant)

May 13, 2005, 05:26 pm	#7 (permalink) (top)
Gorgo BANNED-Warned multiple times about instigating. User then reported topics multiple times to mess with staff. Posts: 4,412	Base Realignment and Closure Web Site

May 13, 2005, 06:06 pm	#8 (permalink) (top)
Waychel Supercalifragilistic Posts: 431	Personally, I think that people are overlooking the fact that this has been government policy since the end of WWII. Most bases these days are a remnant from that era, which had far greater military needs than (we can only hope) will ever be necessary in our lifetimes. These bases were major employers at that time as well, but life still went on without them once they were closed down. Afterall, if there is no longer a need for these facilities, why should we (as tax payers) be required to shoulder the burden of continuing to employ them? That money would be better spent towards future facilities that are not only more updated, but will likely generate even more jobs. The problem with towns that revolve around a military base or similar government facility is that job opportunities there are actually limited by said base or facility being the only real source of employment out there. Although the facility does contribute to job opportunities, the community’s growth is for the most part limited to their availability as a result. As the community grows, more of the people within it will find that they have better chances of employment elsewhere. We see these same decisions made every day whenever our state closes down an old penitentiary or power plant with plans to build a newer or larger facility elsewhere. Although it is regrettable that people will inevitably lose their jobs, this is a natural process and we only have further growth and more up-to-date facilities to look forward to as a result. I wish that people wouldn't be so pessimistic; looking forward has always been The American Way.

May 13, 2005, 06:10 pm	#9 (permalink) (top)
Gorgo BANNED-Warned multiple times about instigating. User then reported topics multiple times to mess with staff. Posts: 4,412	If decreases in the military budget would coincide with the layoffs, that would be okay.

May 14, 2005, 01:20 am	#11 (permalink) (top)
SockPuppet Molten Ash Posts: 28	Stun guns and ammunition are absolutely prohibited in carry-on luggage. The fact that your criminal friend-of-a-friend wasn't caught at DFW didn't suddenly make him exempt. You only have to report currency if you're carrying $10K or more on an international flight -- so if he had more than that, it wasn't a crime on the domestic leg of his flight. He sure as hell sounds like someone I wouldn't want on a plane with me.

Jun 10, 2007, 06:41 am	#14 (permalink) (top)
Mia Retired Posts: 7,312	Is 5 months better? I should have a system to go back to threads I've commented in. "...with like-minded people one cannot discuss. With like-minded people one can only participate in a church service, and you know how I feel about church services." Ayaan Hirsi Ali