Volconvo is a debate forum for the discussion of political, religious, and news-based topics.

OceanLady · Feb 11, 2004, 07:46 pm

Hi this is my first post. I came across this tonight and i wonder if anyone else has read this and what their opinions are.
http://www.prisonplanet.com/021104vonbuelow.html

RebelWithanAK · Feb 11, 2004, 11:33 pm

He's saying what I've been thinking all along.

Red_Emma · Feb 13, 2004, 05:37 pm

This doesnt surprise me one bit..Even though Infowars and Alex Jones reminds me alot of Conspiracy Theory Site which projects alot of ideas and actually has infowars.com links to it i beleive last time i checked..im not sure if the site is still up but it should be...I dont know alex jones isnt the most trustworthy guy in my opinion ..Wasnt he the one who "claimed" to have got the video of the Bohemian Grove were Bush and other world leaders go to worship a 40 foot tall owl statue and conduct rituals? ...lol perhaps not but i think it is...I do think that He is on to something though here with this interview and i wonder if this book can be bought in the US...anyone know?

dotcoma · Feb 17, 2004, 10:34 am

<blockquote>Quote:<hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (Red_Emma,)
This doesnt surprise me one bit..Even though Infowars and Alex Jones reminds me alot of Conspiracy Theory Site which projects alot of ideas and actually has infowars.com links to it i beleive last time i checked..im not sure if the site is still up but it should be...I dont know alex jones isnt the most trustworthy guy in my opinion ..Wasnt he the one who "claimed" to have got the video of the Bohemian Grove were Bush and other world leaders go to worship a 40 foot tall owl statue and conduct rituals? ...lol perhaps not but i think it is...I do think that He is on to something though here with this interview and i wonder if this book can be bought in the US...anyone know?<hr size="1" /></blockquote>

He claims nothing. The general manager of the grove has admitted that Alex was there.

dotcoma · Feb 17, 2004, 10:47 am

I've been following Alex's work for some time now. Don't take his word on anything he says. Take his sources and examine them for yourselves. One of the most telling FACTS: CNN, MSNBC, FOX, etc. continue to refer to "the 19 hijackers". Correct? Well explain this:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_ea...ast/1559151.stm

http://vancouver.indymedia.org/print.php?id=45001

http://news.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtm...20/wterr120.xml

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/530540/posts

dotcoma · Feb 17, 2004, 10:48 am

http://abcnews.go.com/sections/us/DailyNew...C_suspects.html

Feb 18, 2004, 12:06 pm

Red,

There isn't a maybe about it. I bought and viewed the Bohemian Grove video. Clips of it are available on infowars.com.

----------------------------------

Alex has alot of enthusiasm, but I think it gets in the way of accuracy. He'll get a head of steam and start talking from his hip. Often, he'll exaggerate or even pull out of thin air meanings from his sources. The one about an admission of WTC 7 being demolished is a prime example. Silverstein was clearly talking about 'pulling' people out of the building. His stunt with getting a Texas drivers license is another one.

He's done some good. The Grove and Police State 2 videos are well done.

RebelWithanAK · Feb 18, 2004, 12:12 pm

Rox... Alex who? We're talking about Andreas Von Bulow, and if you do even the most cursory of websearches, you'll see that he's done many other interviews and has written a book on the subject - a book which 21% of the German population accepts as fact. I want a copy of that book.

edit: Heh, 666 posts.

Gregthegreat · Feb 18, 2004, 12:19 pm

The CIA was involved in 9-11. How they were involved is another question. I was a (1972-74) combat Vet (I worked briefly in physiological Ops,on AG row.) The CIA directed many black operations that would make 9- 11 pale in comparison.

SeanWah · Feb 18, 2004, 04:03 pm

I don't buy it without more concrete evidence. Ignoring German and Israeli intelligence is one thing, but public opinion could easily have been rounded up in the war on Afghanistan without any such instigator.

What's worth asking (and SHOULD be asked, if people could stop flooding the intellectual market with BS conspiracy theories) is why Bush didn't accept the intelligence he had before him, and why Clinton didn't accept an Arab offer to turn over bin Laden three times. The things leading up to 9/11 have been transpiring since long before any of us were voting.

RebelWithanAK · Feb 18, 2004, 08:18 pm

1) Then explain why NORAD stood down for 45 minutes, why there were no fighter jets along the entire north Atlantic coast, why Bin Laden's family was allowed to fly out of the country two days later when all airports were closed, and why the CIA's HQ was demolished that day, even when it was not directly hit.

2) Here you are denouncing conspiracy theories, and out of the other side of your mouth you push the whole "we could have dealt with Bin Laden if Clinton blah blah blah..." just like we could have dealt with our buddy buddy Saddam if Clinton blah blah blah... but yeah, I heard the stories about Syrian terrorists willing to hand over Bin Laden - but you're forgetting one problem:

WE DON'T NEGOTIATE WITH TERRORISTS.

--tangent--
Unlike Reagan...
--tangent--

Not like there was any evidence Bin Laden would have deigned to have himself be captured by those pissants. More than likely they would have taken the money and run, and we would have been caught with our pants down against a belligerent Syria with no extradiction treaty.

dotcoma · Feb 19, 2004, 06:58 pm

<blockquote>Quote:<hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (RebelWithanAK,)
Rox... Alex who? .<hr size="1" /></blockquote>

Alex Jones, the guy hosting the show...

dotcoma · Feb 19, 2004, 07:00 pm

<blockquote>Quote:<hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (StoneWT,)
Red,
'pulling' people out of the building.<hr size="1" /></blockquote>

no way. earlier in the documentary a rescue workers uses the same terminology...

Feb 11, 2004, 11:33 pm	#2 (permalink) (top)
RebelWithanAK Igneous Magma Location: New York City Posts: 739	He's saying what I've been thinking all along. . . . whenever any government becomes destructive to these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to institute a new government, laying its foundations on such principles and organizing its powers in such forms as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness.

Feb 17, 2004, 10:34 am	#4 (permalink) (top)
dotcoma Volcanic Erupter Posts: 3,154	</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (Red_Emma,) This doesnt surprise me one bit..Even though Infowars and Alex Jones reminds me alot of Conspiracy Theory Site which projects alot of ideas and actually has infowars.com links to it i beleive last time i checked..im not sure if the site is still up but it should be...I dont know alex jones isnt the most trustworthy guy in my opinion ..Wasnt he the one who "claimed" to have got the video of the Bohemian Grove were Bush and other world leaders go to worship a 40 foot tall owl statue and conduct rituals? ...lol perhaps not but i think it is...I do think that He is on to something though here with this interview and i wonder if this book can be bought in the US...anyone know?<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'> He claims nothing. The general manager of the grove has admitted that Alex was there.

Feb 18, 2004, 12:12 pm	#8 (permalink) (top)
RebelWithanAK Igneous Magma Location: New York City Posts: 739	Rox... Alex who? We're talking about Andreas Von Bulow, and if you do even the most cursory of websearches, you'll see that he's done many other interviews and has written a book on the subject - a book which 21% of the German population accepts as fact. I want a copy of that book. edit: Heh, 666 posts. . . . whenever any government becomes destructive to these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to institute a new government, laying its foundations on such principles and organizing its powers in such forms as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness.

Feb 18, 2004, 08:18 pm	#11 (permalink) (top)
RebelWithanAK Igneous Magma Location: New York City Posts: 739	1) Then explain why NORAD stood down for 45 minutes, why there were no fighter jets along the entire north Atlantic coast, why Bin Laden's family was allowed to fly out of the country two days later when all airports were closed, and why the CIA's HQ was demolished that day, even when it was not directly hit. 2) Here you are denouncing conspiracy theories, and out of the other side of your mouth you push the whole "we could have dealt with Bin Laden if Clinton blah blah blah..." just like we could have dealt with our buddy buddy Saddam if Clinton blah blah blah... but yeah, I heard the stories about Syrian terrorists willing to hand over Bin Laden - but you're forgetting one problem: WE DON'T NEGOTIATE WITH TERRORISTS. --tangent-- Unlike Reagan... --tangent-- Not like there was any evidence Bin Laden would have deigned to have himself be captured by those pissants. More than likely they would have taken the money and run, and we would have been caught with our pants down against a belligerent Syria with no extradiction treaty. . . . whenever any government becomes destructive to these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to institute a new government, laying its foundations on such principles and organizing its powers in such forms as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness.

Feb 19, 2004, 06:58 pm	#12 (permalink) (top)
dotcoma Volcanic Erupter Posts: 3,154	</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (RebelWithanAK,) Rox... Alex who? .<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'> Alex Jones, the guy hosting the show...

Feb 11, 2004, 07:46 pm	#1 (permalink) (top)
OceanLady Sedimentary Rock Location: USA Posts: 3	Hi this is my first post. I came across this tonight and i wonder if anyone else has read this and what their opinions are. http://www.prisonplanet.com/021104vonbuelow.html

Feb 13, 2004, 05:37 pm	#3 (permalink) (top)
Red_Emma P//E Location: Baton Rouge, Louisiana Posts: 39	This doesnt surprise me one bit..Even though Infowars and Alex Jones reminds me alot of Conspiracy Theory Site which projects alot of ideas and actually has infowars.com links to it i beleive last time i checked..im not sure if the site is still up but it should be...I dont know alex jones isnt the most trustworthy guy in my opinion ..Wasnt he the one who "claimed" to have got the video of the Bohemian Grove were Bush and other world leaders go to worship a 40 foot tall owl statue and conduct rituals? ...lol perhaps not but i think it is...I do think that He is on to something though here with this interview and i wonder if this book can be bought in the US...anyone know?

Feb 17, 2004, 10:47 am	#5 (permalink) (top)
dotcoma Volcanic Erupter Posts: 3,154	I've been following Alex's work for some time now. Don't take his word on anything he says. Take his sources and examine them for yourselves. One of the most telling FACTS: CNN, MSNBC, FOX, etc. continue to refer to "the 19 hijackers". Correct? Well explain this: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_ea...ast/1559151.stm http://vancouver.indymedia.org/print.php?id=45001 http://news.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtm...20/wterr120.xml http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/530540/posts

Feb 17, 2004, 10:48 am	#6 (permalink) (top)
dotcoma Volcanic Erupter Posts: 3,154	http://abcnews.go.com/sections/us/DailyNew...C_suspects.html

Feb 18, 2004, 12:06 pm	#7 (permalink) (top)
StoneWT Guest Posts: n/a	Red, There isn't a maybe about it. I bought and viewed the Bohemian Grove video. Clips of it are available on infowars.com. ---------------------------------- Alex has alot of enthusiasm, but I think it gets in the way of accuracy. He'll get a head of steam and start talking from his hip. Often, he'll exaggerate or even pull out of thin air meanings from his sources. The one about an admission of WTC 7 being demolished is a prime example. Silverstein was clearly talking about 'pulling' people out of the building. His stunt with getting a Texas drivers license is another one. He's done some good. The Grove and Police State 2 videos are well done.

Feb 18, 2004, 12:19 pm	#9 (permalink) (top)
Gregthegreat Molten Ash Posts: 34	The CIA was involved in 9-11. How they were involved is another question. I was a (1972-74) combat Vet (I worked briefly in physiological Ops,on AG row.) The CIA directed many black operations that would make 9- 11 pale in comparison.

Feb 18, 2004, 04:03 pm	#10 (permalink) (top)
SeanWah Molten Ash Posts: 47	I don't buy it without more concrete evidence. Ignoring German and Israeli intelligence is one thing, but public opinion could easily have been rounded up in the war on Afghanistan without any such instigator. What's worth asking (and SHOULD be asked, if people could stop flooding the intellectual market with BS conspiracy theories) is why Bush didn't accept the intelligence he had before him, and why Clinton didn't accept an Arab offer to turn over bin Laden three times. The things leading up to 9/11 have been transpiring since long before any of us were voting.

Feb 19, 2004, 07:00 pm	#13 (permalink) (top)
dotcoma Volcanic Erupter Posts: 3,154	</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (StoneWT,) Red, 'pulling' people out of the building.<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'> no way. earlier in the documentary a rescue workers uses the same terminology...