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Old Feb 9, 2004, 11:47 pm   #1 (permalink) (top)
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I talk to way to many people who say they are voting for a canidate who is the lesser of two evils. How can anyone vote for a evil even if it is the lesser. I very strongly believe in civil liberties. I can not vote for George W. Bush because he signed the patriot act into law and is the enemy of a free society. I can not vote for John Kerry because he also supported the partriot act and is in favor of larger Government.

I am choosing to support Libertarian Gary Nolan for president. I will vote for what I believe in, and help to cause political change and create a viable political party that supports a smaller government not choosing between 11% growth or 15% growth.

Join me and support Gary Nolan for president in 2004. He is already geting tons of media coverage. He is second place behind John Kerry in the amazon.com fundraising primary, and he has just won a poll at the university of Rochester NY with 34% and the runners up were George W. Bush with 21%, and John Kerry with 16%.

http://www.garynolan.com

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Old Feb 9, 2004, 11:50 pm   #2 (permalink) (top)
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You need preferential voting.

In Australia, we number every box on a voting ballot, so if no candidate wins a majority of votes, the candidate with the least votes is eliminated, and their votes are transfered to whoever the person put no.2, and it goes on like this until someone gets a majority.
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Old Feb 9, 2004, 11:58 pm   #3 (permalink) (top)
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I agree 100%. If this were the case in the US we would have a different president. Al gore actually got over 500,000 votes more then George W. Bush.


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Old Feb 10, 2004, 12:07 am   #4 (permalink) (top)
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Wow, I lvoe the aussie voting system. They also make people go to the polls (or they're fined). People in the US always say that it's a right, but really, it's a duty.

ben, I'd have to disagree that you should vote for your gut instinct to get that little percentage for a 3rd party. Until our country changes the system like sven suggested (won't happen) we need all the votes we can get for democrats (if you don't like Bush). Otherwise we're looking at another four years of...this.

This is a very important election..it's got my attention moreso than any other. It's a big decision for Americans.
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Old Feb 10, 2004, 12:46 am   #5 (permalink) (top)
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Do you think Kerry will be any better then Bush? I would love to see a Democrat win the election, but only because it would make so nothing would happen and the republican congress would nullify the democratic president. In other words not many laws or taxes would pass because the dem-rep would always oppose each other. But on the other hand I would never cast my vote for John Kerry. He is just as much an opponent of small government, and civil liberties as Bush.


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Old Feb 10, 2004, 12:50 am   #6 (permalink) (top)
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It's neither a right or a duty. Voting is a privilege. We have a representative republic, not a democracy. Majority does not rule here. Each individual makes up the whole of our government.

Voting in the Presidental election in the US for anything but a Democrat or a Republican is throwing your vote away. It's a simple truth and everyone who votes for a 3rd party candidate has either thrown his vote away or cast his vote against the person he would most probably be more in agreement with.

If a protest vote is your schlick, go for it, but you lose the privilege of complaining when the guy who gets elected does something you don't like.
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Old Feb 10, 2004, 12:59 am   #7 (permalink) (top)
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Kerry and Bush do things I don't like every day. Either one will screw up this country more so I think I should vote for someone who if elected will actually do good for the US.


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Old Feb 10, 2004, 03:18 am   #8 (permalink) (top)
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Sigh, I agree. Same old problem. I only vote my heart, most Americans only vote for the names they remember.
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Old Feb 10, 2004, 04:54 am   #9 (permalink) (top)
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A person who votes for a minor party does not lose the right to criticise decisions. I think someone who doesn't vote doesn't have the moral right to criticise.

Just because neither major candidate is palatable is not a reason why we shouldn't be able to criticise them.
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Old Feb 10, 2004, 09:20 am   #10 (permalink) (top)
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In Australia, 2% of people voted for non-candidates

Apparently one voter voted for Donald Duck as the candidate. Some Adolf Hitlers, a few even voted for George Washington.


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Old Feb 10, 2004, 05:07 pm   #11 (permalink) (top)
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How does that work? We don't have write-ins.
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Old Feb 10, 2004, 06:40 pm   #12 (permalink) (top)
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If what you say is the case than we need to revise our system of voting, not surrender and keep going down our present path.

Our system is biased toward the two major parties remaining in power. Back in the day, third parties routinely moved into power, but today it's nearly impossible because our lovely representatives are stacking the deck against it. Between the fear-mongering, the federal campaign subsidies, and dozens of other ballot access and similar restrictions, it's impossible to run a third party on a level playing field.

Systems such as Condorcet or Instant Runoff Voting are flawless and take away the power of the two major parties, forcing candidates to run on the same level as third parties. But you'll never see this happen because the permanent incumbants who run this country don't want to be on a level playing field.

Want to throw your vote away? Vote for a Republican or a Democrat. No matter who wins you're going to get bigger government, reduced liberties, less security, and more trouble. A majority of Americans are not Reps or Dems, but they vote that way out of fear, ignorance, laziness, or a combination of those three.

This is not to say that third parties are blameless. I see many third party candidates position themselves so that their supporters hurt the lesser of two evils. This does not need to be the case. Also, third parties have a habit of running candidates who simply are not viable. As I often say, if you're not a CEO, General, Governor, or a Federal House/Senate member, you shouldn't be running for President.

While unviable candidates do contribute to third party unelectability, they are not the primary reason why third parties are held down in this country. Nowadays it seems that the media picks the winner before the people do - we can blame our reliance on media and pop culture for this, but that enters into a whole other debate.

</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (eburchelli,)
It's neither a right or a duty. Voting is a privilege. We have a representative republic, not a democracy. Majority does not rule here. Each individual makes up the whole of our government.

Voting in the Presidental election in the US for anything but a Democrat or a Republican is throwing your vote away. It's a simple truth and everyone who votes for a 3rd party candidate has either thrown his vote away or cast his vote against the person he would most probably be more in agreement with.

If a protest vote is your schlick, go for it, but you lose the privilege of complaining when the guy who gets elected does something you don't like.
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Old Feb 10, 2004, 06:56 pm   #13 (permalink) (top)
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I can certainly understand the reason for Nolan's choice to run; I have listened to him in the past and even got on air to speak with him once back in 1996 about the Illinois governor's shortsighted decision to commute a condemned murderess and suggested using Oklahoma's revived electric chair.


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Old Feb 21, 2004, 01:21 pm   #14 (permalink) (top)
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I'm also a dues paying member of the Libertarian party. Nolan would tear Bush and Kerry to pieces in a debate.
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Old Feb 21, 2004, 01:45 pm   #15 (permalink) (top)
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Thats right. If Gary Nolan was invited to the presidental debates he would probably be our next president. Nolan tells people how it is not just what they want to hear, and makes so much sence doing it. We (Libertarians) are in for an exciting election year.

If any one would like to help promote Gary Nolan's campaign please join my group the Gary Nolan activist committee. We need more members to write, publish, submit news tips, post in forums, localize and distribute press releases, and write letters to the editor. If you are interested then join below.

http://groups.yahoo.com/gary-nolan-activist-committee


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Old Feb 21, 2004, 05:09 pm   #16 (permalink) (top)
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Nolan has my vote; thats for sure.


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