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PatC · Feb 9, 2004, 01:22 am

Governement just anounced they were launching a new campaign in the spring to clean up al Qada fighters hiding out in the mountains of eastern afghanistan -western Pakistan and expand the search for bin Laden. Can we expect bin Laden in our custody by the end of the year? Im optimistic, but then again he has millons of dollars and thousands of loyal followers at his disposal, in an anti-U.S. region and has suceeded in eluding the U.S. military for over 2 years. Hopefully Pervez Mousharef can lend a helpful and effective hand, yet failure to tame the western Pakistan region is not very reassuring.

Suburbanite · Feb 9, 2004, 05:59 am

It has been predicted that he will be "found" in October. Though one has to wonder if he is already "found".

Impenitent · Feb 9, 2004, 10:52 am

of course he has... same with saddam...

saddam's capture was simply a ploy to destroy the candidacy of dean... worked good too...

and the hero kerry who threw someone else's medals away after murdering 25 innocent vietnamese civilians will soon follow dean...

Plaything48 · Feb 9, 2004, 10:55 am

I don't see any real reason why resources need to be expended, just to catch one man, it's like going after the colonel to bring down KFC.

RebelWithanAK · Feb 9, 2004, 12:44 pm

That's assuming we're actually spending them. Pssh. I mean, Bin Laden's family was safely shuttled out of the United States two days after September 11th, and Bush himself had business dealings with that family, including starting an oil company in 1977 with investment funds from Osama's older brother Salem. Bush has no incentive of finding the man, considering what the man might say.

After all, don't you want to know what Saddam's been saying after we 'captured' him?

Plaything48 · Feb 9, 2004, 03:45 pm

yeh i do actually, but not much has been released about what has been said

**Pooeypants** · Feb 9, 2004, 04:16 pm

<blockquote>Quote:<hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (Plaything48,)
yeh i do actually, but not much has been released about what has been said<hr size="1" /></blockquote>
Well there's a surprise...

Plaything48 · Feb 9, 2004, 06:39 pm

Are you takin the monkey out of me? hey hey

Suburbanite · Feb 9, 2004, 06:57 pm

Saddam, rumor has it, was found by the Kurds and America paid to drug him and reinact the entire event. Gotta love this stuff.

eburchelli · Feb 10, 2004, 01:06 am

<blockquote>Quote:<hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (RebelWithanAK,)
That's assuming we're actually spending them. Pssh. I mean, Bin Laden's family was safely shuttled out of the United States two days after September 11th, and Bush himself had business dealings with that family, including starting an oil company in 1977 with investment funds from Osama's older brother Salem. Bush has no incentive of finding the man, considering what the man might say.

After all, don't you want to know what Saddam's been saying after we 'captured' him?<hr size="1" /></blockquote>
What a crock. You get it off the evening news and believe it to be the truth. Actually the Bush administration did not stop the relatives of bin Laden from departing the US after 9/11, but they didn't assist them.

Bin Laden's family has a considerable fortune, which has been invested in many businesses around the globe. I seriously doubt that George Bush sought out their participating interests on purpose because he wanted to be involved with them. I wonder if that puts every politican or every person who invests their money, in direct involvement with the companies for which all kinds of dirty money participates.

With that mindset, then everytime you puff on weed or sniff some coke, you are contributing to terrorism, maybe you were even involved in helping them on 9/11.

sven · Feb 10, 2004, 01:56 am

<blockquote>Quote:<hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (eburchelli,)
Actually the Bush administration did not stop the relatives of bin Laden from departing the US after 9/11, but they didn't assist them.
<hr size="1" /></blockquote>

It would seem that way. But remember that no other flights were in the air at the time. Therefore, they had to have the express permission of the US government to be flying around.

Feb 10, 2004, 02:18 am

The plan couldn't be completed unless the attack happend on 911..
Bush needed an excuse to label arabs as terrorists, then using that label, building an image of arabs.. US wanted the oil in Middle east, and after IRAQ, would have been SYRIA, IRAN then Saudi Arabia, which would have made the US teh richest and strongest country with nothing close, as the noose is tightened around non complying countries, making the United States, the United Countries of America..

johneaglebear · Feb 10, 2004, 02:53 am

While the capture of bin Laden, "dead or alive" anytime before the November elections will be lauded as a great victory by Bush and his handlers, the neo war against terrorism has only just begun. We are involved in an epic struggle of 'cold war' dimensions. A struggle of ideaologies which is centuries old and began and began when Mohammed issued his first fatwa against non-believers and Pope Urban took up the challenge to recapture the Holy Land. It is a struggle of the have's versus the have not's and as such Europe, the United States and Israel are as much to blame for our present predicament as are alQaeda, Hamas, Hezbollah, and Islamic Jihad.

Suburbanite · Feb 10, 2004, 03:17 am

Oh lord what have my conspiracies started?

PatC · Feb 10, 2004, 04:20 am

Also, what happens when we catch him (if the marines dont kill him first)? Hague? U.S. Federal Court? Im torn between the death penalty and life in prison. Ive always opposed the death penalty ion some situations, mostly because of jurys fucking up and becasue i spent 13 years in catholic schools. Clearly non of this respect for life stuff applys to bin Laden. He should die, but its probably the easy way out for him. Im leaning torwards solitary confinement, hopefully he'll go crazy(ier) in there. And im sure we can all agree that willian rehnquist and the gang can look the other way on this cruel and unusal punishments thing.

Impenitent · Feb 10, 2004, 10:01 am

we'll bring back crucifixion just for him...

castille · Feb 10, 2004, 10:24 am

My name is Osheem la Fabib. I read your messages of conspiracy. You blame Bush for Saddam's existence. You believe that America is secretly funding Osama bin Laden. It is true.

I will reveal the terrible secrets of Bush, the SKull and Bones society. In 10 BC, we began as a coven of warlocks and witches. We were to decide the future. We are responsible for terrifying events, such as Adolf Hitler, Stalin, and "fried chicken". Yet more were to come.

In 1991, we sent American oil to Saddam. We met Bush in 1992, when he was part of the secret organisation, the Skull and Crossbones (originally called Binky's Boyz Klub).

In 1993, Bush signed a secret treaty with Osama. 400,000 porcupines were sent to Iraq on the SAME HOUR on a private jet. You make the connections.

In 1998, Bush engineered the 9-11 incident. He wanted 12 planes to crash into the Statue of Liberty on the 11th Sep, 2001. Unfortunately, the terrorists got drunk on eggnog (they had christmas early) and hit the World Trade Centre instead.

In early 2004, Shell Oil secretly signed a pact with Kentucky Fried Chicken. I dont know why, but I thought this might be evidence of some evil world conspiracy. Maybe Shell's oil are actually KFC leftovers after cooking their tasty chicken. Or maybe the Colonel's secret spices are armpit juices of Shell executives. I dont know.

In any case, I believe this is all the evidence you need. Go out, my children, and bring the truth to the world. It is too late for me. My Illuminati brothers will soon come for my soul, and my supply of the Colonel's tasty chicken fillets, so hurry! Go out there and tell the world! Fight for freedom, topple the dictatorship that is Bush! Now!

Impenitent · Feb 10, 2004, 10:28 am

LMAO!!!! Hillarious!!

400,000 porcupines and armpit juices...

very very funny, thanks

LilHopper · Feb 11, 2004, 11:26 pm

ROFLROFLROFL Osama Bin Laden is sittin in Grermany, waiting for GW Bush to pull him out and use him as a polling boost just before the electons. LOL Even if he would be dead, he would be sitting there with his back proped up against a wall, pretty picture for the American sheeps
Lil

Feb 12, 2004, 12:37 am

heh, you make a good point. I'd laugh if Bush has had Osama on ice this whole time. Boy would that ruin the chances for dems.

Feb 9, 2004, 01:22 am	#1 (permalink) (top)
PatC Molten Ash Location: Boston Posts: 107	Governement just anounced they were launching a new campaign in the spring to clean up al Qada fighters hiding out in the mountains of eastern afghanistan -western Pakistan and expand the search for bin Laden. Can we expect bin Laden in our custody by the end of the year? Im optimistic, but then again he has millons of dollars and thousands of loyal followers at his disposal, in an anti-U.S. region and has suceeded in eluding the U.S. military for over 2 years. Hopefully Pervez Mousharef can lend a helpful and effective hand, yet failure to tame the western Pakistan region is not very reassuring. We're looking at the world through the barrel of a gun, are we ready?

Feb 9, 2004, 10:52 am	#3 (permalink) (top)
Impenitent Hot Lava Posts: 1,859	of course he has... same with saddam... saddam's capture was simply a ploy to destroy the candidacy of dean... worked good too... and the hero kerry who threw someone else's medals away after murdering 25 innocent vietnamese civilians will soon follow dean... "I really like this jacket, but the sleeves are much too long..." insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, but expecting different results...

Feb 9, 2004, 10:55 am	#4 (permalink) (top)
Plaything48 Igneous Magma Location: London baby, yeah! Posts: 198	I don't see any real reason why resources need to be expended, just to catch one man, it's like going after the colonel to bring down KFC. A man has two reasons for doing anything --- a good reason and the real reason. Let us be thankful for the fools. But for them the rest of us could not succeed In spite of the cost of living, it's still popular.

Feb 9, 2004, 12:44 pm	#5 (permalink) (top)
RebelWithanAK Igneous Magma Location: New York City Posts: 739	That's assuming we're actually spending them. Pssh. I mean, Bin Laden's family was safely shuttled out of the United States two days after September 11th, and Bush himself had business dealings with that family, including starting an oil company in 1977 with investment funds from Osama's older brother Salem. Bush has no incentive of finding the man, considering what the man might say. After all, don't you want to know what Saddam's been saying after we 'captured' him? . . . whenever any government becomes destructive to these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to institute a new government, laying its foundations on such principles and organizing its powers in such forms as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness.

Feb 9, 2004, 03:45 pm	#6 (permalink) (top)
Plaything48 Igneous Magma Location: London baby, yeah! Posts: 198	yeh i do actually, but not much has been released about what has been said A man has two reasons for doing anything --- a good reason and the real reason. Let us be thankful for the fools. But for them the rest of us could not succeed In spite of the cost of living, it's still popular.

Feb 9, 2004, 05:59 am	#2 (permalink) (top)
Suburbanite BANNED Location: Los Angeles Posts: 3,203	It has been predicted that he will be "found" in October. Though one has to wonder if he is already "found".

Feb 9, 2004, 04:16 pm	#7 (permalink) (top)
Pooeypants Neo Moderator Location: England Posts: 5,602	</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (Plaything48,) yeh i do actually, but not much has been released about what has been said<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'> Well there's a surprise... War is Peace Freedom is Slavery Ignorance is strength Harness the power of Ingsoc, then you can capture someone killed the year before

Feb 9, 2004, 06:39 pm	#8 (permalink) (top)
Plaything48 Igneous Magma Location: London baby, yeah! Posts: 198	Are you takin the monkey out of me? hey hey A man has two reasons for doing anything --- a good reason and the real reason. Let us be thankful for the fools. But for them the rest of us could not succeed In spite of the cost of living, it's still popular.

Feb 9, 2004, 06:57 pm	#9 (permalink) (top)
Suburbanite BANNED Location: Los Angeles Posts: 3,203	Saddam, rumor has it, was found by the Kurds and America paid to drug him and reinact the entire event. Gotta love this stuff.

Feb 10, 2004, 01:06 am	#10 (permalink) (top)
eburchelli Molten Ash Posts: 106	</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (RebelWithanAK,) That's assuming we're actually spending them. Pssh. I mean, Bin Laden's family was safely shuttled out of the United States two days after September 11th, and Bush himself had business dealings with that family, including starting an oil company in 1977 with investment funds from Osama's older brother Salem. Bush has no incentive of finding the man, considering what the man might say. After all, don't you want to know what Saddam's been saying after we 'captured' him?<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'> What a crock. You get it off the evening news and believe it to be the truth. Actually the Bush administration did not stop the relatives of bin Laden from departing the US after 9/11, but they didn't assist them. Bin Laden's family has a considerable fortune, which has been invested in many businesses around the globe. I seriously doubt that George Bush sought out their participating interests on purpose because he wanted to be involved with them. I wonder if that puts every politican or every person who invests their money, in direct involvement with the companies for which all kinds of dirty money participates. With that mindset, then everytime you puff on weed or sniff some coke, you are contributing to terrorism, maybe you were even involved in helping them on 9/11.

Feb 10, 2004, 01:56 am	#11 (permalink) (top)
sven Sedimentary Rock Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 8	</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (eburchelli,) Actually the Bush administration did not stop the relatives of bin Laden from departing the US after 9/11, but they didn't assist them. <hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'> It would seem that way. But remember that no other flights were in the air at the time. Therefore, they had to have the express permission of the US government to be flying around. SDGP Inside Politics

Feb 10, 2004, 02:18 am	#12 (permalink) (top)
CitizenCOP Guest Posts: n/a	The plan couldn't be completed unless the attack happend on 911.. Bush needed an excuse to label arabs as terrorists, then using that label, building an image of arabs.. US wanted the oil in Middle east, and after IRAQ, would have been SYRIA, IRAN then Saudi Arabia, which would have made the US teh richest and strongest country with nothing close, as the noose is tightened around non complying countries, making the United States, the United Countries of America..

Feb 10, 2004, 02:53 am	#13 (permalink) (top)
johneaglebear Sedimentary Rock Posts: 1	While the capture of bin Laden, "dead or alive" anytime before the November elections will be lauded as a great victory by Bush and his handlers, the neo war against terrorism has only just begun. We are involved in an epic struggle of 'cold war' dimensions. A struggle of ideaologies which is centuries old and began and began when Mohammed issued his first fatwa against non-believers and Pope Urban took up the challenge to recapture the Holy Land. It is a struggle of the have's versus the have not's and as such Europe, the United States and Israel are as much to blame for our present predicament as are alQaeda, Hamas, Hezbollah, and Islamic Jihad.

Feb 10, 2004, 03:17 am	#14 (permalink) (top)
Suburbanite BANNED Location: Los Angeles Posts: 3,203	Oh lord what have my conspiracies started?

Feb 10, 2004, 04:20 am	#15 (permalink) (top)
PatC Molten Ash Location: Boston Posts: 107	Also, what happens when we catch him (if the marines dont kill him first)? Hague? U.S. Federal Court? Im torn between the death penalty and life in prison. Ive always opposed the death penalty ion some situations, mostly because of jurys fucking up and becasue i spent 13 years in catholic schools. Clearly non of this respect for life stuff applys to bin Laden. He should die, but its probably the easy way out for him. Im leaning torwards solitary confinement, hopefully he'll go crazy(ier) in there. And im sure we can all agree that willian rehnquist and the gang can look the other way on this cruel and unusal punishments thing. We're looking at the world through the barrel of a gun, are we ready?

Feb 10, 2004, 10:01 am	#16 (permalink) (top)
Impenitent Hot Lava Posts: 1,859	we'll bring back crucifixion just for him... "I really like this jacket, but the sleeves are much too long..." insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, but expecting different results...

Feb 10, 2004, 10:24 am	#17 (permalink) (top)
castille Citizen #21521 Posts: 2,599	My name is Osheem la Fabib. I read your messages of conspiracy. You blame Bush for Saddam's existence. You believe that America is secretly funding Osama bin Laden. It is true. I will reveal the terrible secrets of Bush, the SKull and Bones society. In 10 BC, we began as a coven of warlocks and witches. We were to decide the future. We are responsible for terrifying events, such as Adolf Hitler, Stalin, and "fried chicken". Yet more were to come. In 1991, we sent American oil to Saddam. We met Bush in 1992, when he was part of the secret organisation, the Skull and Crossbones (originally called Binky's Boyz Klub). In 1993, Bush signed a secret treaty with Osama. 400,000 porcupines were sent to Iraq on the SAME HOUR on a private jet. You make the connections. In 1998, Bush engineered the 9-11 incident. He wanted 12 planes to crash into the Statue of Liberty on the 11th Sep, 2001. Unfortunately, the terrorists got drunk on eggnog (they had christmas early) and hit the World Trade Centre instead. In early 2004, Shell Oil secretly signed a pact with Kentucky Fried Chicken. I dont know why, but I thought this might be evidence of some evil world conspiracy. Maybe Shell's oil are actually KFC leftovers after cooking their tasty chicken. Or maybe the Colonel's secret spices are armpit juices of Shell executives. I dont know. In any case, I believe this is all the evidence you need. Go out, my children, and bring the truth to the world. It is too late for me. My Illuminati brothers will soon come for my soul, and my supply of the Colonel's tasty chicken fillets, so hurry! Go out there and tell the world! Fight for freedom, topple the dictatorship that is Bush! Now! Ideological loyalty is the act of giving your soul to a vague concept, to be manipulated by people smarter than you.

Feb 10, 2004, 10:28 am	#18 (permalink) (top)
Impenitent Hot Lava Posts: 1,859	LMAO!!!! Hillarious!! 400,000 porcupines and armpit juices... very very funny, thanks "I really like this jacket, but the sleeves are much too long..." insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, but expecting different results...

Feb 11, 2004, 11:26 pm	#19 (permalink) (top)
LilHopper Sedimentary Rock Posts: 6	ROFLROFLROFL Osama Bin Laden is sittin in Grermany, waiting for GW Bush to pull him out and use him as a polling boost just before the electons. LOL Even if he would be dead, he would be sitting there with his back proped up against a wall, pretty picture for the American sheeps Lil

Feb 12, 2004, 12:37 am	#20 (permalink) (top)
dotComa Guest Posts: n/a	heh, you make a good point. I'd laugh if Bush has had Osama on ice this whole time. Boy would that ruin the chances for dems.