"Evidence of WMD"

[bishop]

it doesn't... just more circumstantial smoke to blow up peoples' asses. the more red herrings that you can lump together, the greater the odds of of fooling the public.

hitler said it best....

[The American]

Quote by: bishop it doesn't... just more circumstantial smoke to blow up peoples' asses. the more red herrings that you can lump together, the greater the odds of of fooling the public. hitler said it best....

An attempt to insult, placed aside, read the print over the image.

There are many things that were missed. Please do not forget, Hussein was a leader of deception.

Who is blowing smoke? Is this your response to fact? I could quickly ask about your abilities to read and comprehend, make suggestions on improving it, and that would be the normal response to this insult, but I will not. What would it profit me?

[Lilith]

I came across this interesting quote...

THE ROOTS OF BUSH PROPAGANDA..."The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible goverrnment which is the true ruling power of our country....Whatever attitude one chooses to take toward this condition, it remains a fact that in almost every act of our daily lives, whether in the sphere of politics or business, in our social conduct or our ethical thinking, we are dominated by the relatively small number of persons...who understand the mental processes and social patterns of the masses." --Edward Bernays, 1928, U.S.A.

I have no clue who the guy is...but makes me think anyways.

And American, my compliment several posts back was directed at quite a few people in this forum.

And can someone please answer me this: What ARE we doing in Iraq anyways? This war has always reeked to me, still does. I have a good friend of mine who is very anti-Bush, she says were over there for the oil. Is that an oversimplification of what's going on? As far as Bin Laden...I just can't fathom that in this day and age, with all the technology, etc...that we just have no clue where he is?? Saddam being found hiding in that hole or was it a barn, or what...uh-ok. Something reeks!

[Lou Minotti]

Something reeks!

Some call it The "New World Odor"....

http://www.glockfaq.com/rare.htm#desert

[Gorgo]

Botulinum B is not the most toxic substance known to man. It's what's used in Botox.

[bishop]

get some thicker skin.. i wasn't directly insulting you "the american".. my comments are, in general, focused on the large group of people who push that exact same argument.. you're just one out of many, working to push the same line.

i repeat, i haven't seen any damning evidence that there were wmd stockpiles - nor active wmd programs. all i see are circumstantial pieces of evidence that DO NOT vindicate bush's pre-war allegations.

a nation full of impressionable fools is what we've become.. i always loved that one poll where some 70% of americans continued to believe that saddam was involved with 9/11 even though that myth was debunked numerous times.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/3118262.stm



lilith.. i think the heart of the reason why we invaded has to do with oil and how it's priced (euros vs. dollars).

[Lilith]

lilith.. i think the heart of the reason why we invaded has to do with oil and how it's priced (euros vs. dollars).

I'm having a conversation with a German friend of mine, as I type here, on the MSN, and this exactly what he is telling me....eek! :eek:

Reeks!! New World Order, indeed!!

Let me run for now....very interesting convo here....

[bishop]

Quote by: Lilith I'm having a conversation with a German friend of mine, as I type here, on the MSN, and this exactly what he is telling me....eek! :eek: Reeks!! New World Order, indeed!! Let me run for now....very interesting convo here....

if you're interested, the london school of business studied that topic several years ago.. the notion of a currency war is very plausible, and those who would suggest that it's a worthless theory don't know what they're talking about:

http://faculty.london.edu/rportes/re...ortesReyEP.pdf

[The American]

Quote by: Lou Minotti Some call it The "New World Odor"....

You can do better than that. Should that scare the world? Try this;



Some fear this;



What do I fear? What we hand future generations.

[The American]

Quote by: Gorgo Botulinum B is not the most toxic substance known to man. It's what's used in Botox.

No kidding? You think it is not dangerous? Have you researched Botox? Let me ask another thing, have you had the treatment? Do you understand the warnings issued with it? Do you understand the paper you sign waving the consequences of such treatment? Would you care to rephrase now? Or would you rather sit and call scientific information a lie?

[Lou Minotti]

What do aliens have to do with my post?

[Gorgo]

What I am saying is that there are reasons other than the destruction of the world for a scientist to have Botulinum B, and it is disingenous to add the aside that it is the "most toxic substance known to man."

I haven't gone further with your post, because you seem to be afraid to discuss details. You want to post a lot of nonsense and let us attempt to weed through it, yet you ignore everything else anyone posts. I'm beginning to think Starboy was correct when he thought it was a good idea to ignore you.

I'd do that, but I think some people may buy your nonsense.

[The American]

Quote by: Lou Minotti What do aliens have to do with my post?

Nothing, if you are not afraid of them.

Now, what does your gun have to do with my post? Incite fear of a new world order? Some say aliens do the same. I have the same amount of fear of both.....................none.

[Lou Minotti]

Nothing, if you are not afraid of them.

Huh?

what does your gun have to do with my post?

Nothing, seeing as I was responding to someone else (see post)

Incite fear of a new world order?

How is posting a picture of a gun owned my George H.W. Bush, Dick Cheney, Colin Powell and others "inciting fear of a New World Order"?

Some say aliens do the same.

Who says what? No clue what your talking about....

I have the same amount of fear of both.....................none.

First off, what on earth are you talking about. Second, what on earth are you talking about?

[The American]

Quote by: Gorgo What I am saying is that there are reasons other than the destruction of the world for a scientist to have Botulinum B, and it is disingenous to add the aside that it is the "most toxic substance known to man." I haven't gone further with your post, because you seem to be afraid to discuss details. You want to post a lot of nonsense and let us attempt to weed through it, yet you ignore everything else anyone posts. I'm beginning to think Starboy was correct when he thought it was a good idea to ignore you. I'd do that, but I think some people may buy your nonsense.

So you are trying to tell me then, we have a lot of Iraqis running around who have practiced Botox treatment? I find it hard to swallow, since most of them were starving. You would think they had higher priorities in life. " I can't eat, but look at my big lips!!!"

Ignore me then. You can't, just as Starboy can't. The reason you keep coming back, is because you cannot prove it is nonsense. If I left, you would truly miss me.

Don't worry, I will not put you through that kind of misery. I am your friend.

[Lou Minotti]

So you are trying to tell me then, we have a lot of Iraqis running around who have practiced Botox treatment? I find it hard to swallow, since most of them were starving. You would think they had higher priorities in life. " I can't eat, but look at my big lips!!!"

Most of them are starving??? Starving now, perhaps. It has become quite clear you know nearly nothing of which you speak yet you expect to be taken seriously. Good luck with that. By your standards we would be justified in nuking Hollywood by now.

[The American]

Quote by: bishop speaking of irresponsibility "the american"... who are you trying to fool? parsing statements blix made as if to use them to bolster the bogus allegations that the allegations about wmd were true is a poor tactic. what does blix think about wmd in iraq? from the horse's mouth, something more current than your outdated quote: http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/inter...blix_3-17.html

Too bad PBS could not go to the source for information. Oh look, I have something for you.

"The Source"

http://www.un.org/Depts/unmovic/Bx27.htm Biological weapons I have mentioned the issue of anthrax to the Council on previous occasions and I come back to it as it is an important one. Iraq has declared that it produced about 8,500 litres of this biological warfare agent, which it states it unilaterally destroyed in the summer of 1991. Iraq has provided little evidence for this production and no convincing evidence for its destruction. There are strong indications that Iraq produced more anthrax than it declared, and that at least some of this was retained after the declared destruction date. It might still exist. Either it should be found and be destroyed under UNMOVIC supervision or else convincing evidence should be produced to show that it was, indeed, destroyed in 1991. As I reported to the Council on 19 December last year, Iraq did not declare a significant quantity, some 650 kg, of bacterial growth media, which was acknowledged as imported in Iraq’s submission to the Amorim panel in February 1999. As part of its 7 December 2002 declaration, Iraq resubmitted the Amorim panel document, but the table showing this particular import of media was not included. The absence of this table would appear to be deliberate as the pages of the resubmitted document were renumbered. In the letter of 24 January to the President of the Council, Iraq’s Foreign Minister stated that “all imported quantities of growth media were declared”. This is not evidence. I note that the quantity of media involved would suffice to produce, for example, about 5,000 litres of concentrated anthrax. Chemical weapons The nerve agent VX is one of the most toxic ever developed. Iraq has declared that it only produced VX on a pilot scale, just a few tonnes and that the quality was poor and the product unstable. Consequently, it was said, that the agent was never weaponised. Iraq said that the small quantity of agent remaining after the Gulf War was unilaterally destroyed in the summer of 1991. UNMOVIC, however, has information that conflicts with this account. There are indications that Iraq had worked on the problem of purity and stabilization and that more had been achieved than has been declared. Indeed, even one of the documents provided by Iraq indicates that the purity of the agent, at least in laboratory production, was higher than declared. There are also indications that the agent was weaponised. In addition, there are questions to be answered concerning the fate of the VX precursor chemicals, which Iraq states were lost during bombing in the Gulf War or were unilaterally destroyed by Iraq. I would now like to turn to the so-called “Air Force document” that I have discussed with the Council before. This document was originally found by an UNSCOM inspector in a safe in Iraqi Air Force Headquarters in 1998 and taken from her by Iraqi minders. It gives an account of the expenditure of bombs, including chemical bombs, by Iraq in the Iraq-Iran War. I am encouraged by the fact that Iraq has now provided this document to UNMOVIC. The document indicates that 13,000 chemical bombs were dropped by the Iraqi Air Force between 1983 and 1988, while Iraq has declared that 19,500 bombs were consumed during this period. Thus, there is a discrepancy of 6,500 bombs. The amount of chemical agent in these bombs would be in the order of about 1,000 tonnes. In the absence of evidence to the contrary, we must assume that these quantities are now unaccounted for. The discovery of a number of 122 mm chemical rocket warheads in a bunker at a storage depot 170 km southwest of Baghdad was much publicized. This was a relatively new bunker and therefore the rockets must have been moved there in the past few years, at a time when Iraq should not have had such munitions. The investigation of these rockets is still proceeding. Iraq states that they were overlooked from 1991 from a batch of some 2,000 that were stored there during the Gulf War. This could be the case. They could also be the tip of a submerged iceberg. The discovery of a few rockets does not resolve but rather points to the issue of several thousands of chemical rockets that are unaccounted for. The finding of the rockets shows that Iraq needs to make more effort to ensure that its declaration is currently accurate. During my recent discussions in Baghdad, Iraq declared that it would make new efforts in this regard and had set up a committee of investigation. Since then it has reported that it has found a further 4 chemical rockets at a storage depot in Al Taji. I might further mention that inspectors have found at another site a laboratory quantity of thiodiglycol, a mustard gas precursor. Whilst I am addressing chemical issues, I should mention a matter, which I reported on 19 December 2002, concerning equipment at a civilian chemical plant at Al Fallujah. Iraq has declared that it had repaired chemical processing equipment previously destroyed under UNSCOM supervision, and had installed it at Fallujah for the production of chlorine and phenols. We have inspected this equipment and are conducting a detailed technical evaluation of it. On completion, we will decide whether this and other equipment that has been recovered by Iraq should be destroyed.

Now if you have a report, maybe I could believe you? This is the report in question is it not?

THE SECURITY COUNCIL, 27 JANUARY 2003: AN UPDATE ON INSPECTION Executive Chairman of UNMOVIC, Dr. Hans Blix

[The American]

Quote by: Lou Minotti Most of them are starving??? Starving now, perhaps. It has become quite clear you know nearly nothing of which you speak yet you expect to be taken seriously. Good luck with that. By your standards we would be justified in nuking Hollywood by now.

Research my friend, the effects of sanctions, against the Iraqi people. The Oil for food program was a scam. They were starving. How many died of malnutrition and starvation during those twelve years?

[The American]

Quote by: Lou Minotti Most of them are starving??? Starving now, perhaps. It has become quite clear you know nearly nothing of which you speak yet you expect to be taken seriously. Good luck with that. By your standards we would be justified in nuking Hollywood by now.

Thank you for the good luck wish....................... it worked.

http://www.ilaam.net/War/IraqEmbargo.html Lifting the Iraq Embargo After Almost 2 Million Deaths What Have We Learned From the Embargo's Lessons? May 28, 2003

The articles deal with starvation. Read it before you make silly responses which I have bolded for you.

[Gorgo]

There were wealthy people in Iraq, and thanks to the sanctions, there were lots of very poor people.

I don't know the reason the scientist had botulinum B, but it is not something that you'd call a weapon of mass destruction.

Again, why are you supporting these criminals?

Quote by: The American So you are trying to tell me then, we have a lot of Iraqis running around who have practiced Botox treatment? I find it hard to swallow, since most of them were starving. You would think they had higher priorities in life. " I can't eat, but look at my big lips!!!"