The David Kelly Suicide/murder

[fedfem]

Investigation into Dr.David Kelly’s Suicide/Murder.

Dr. David Kelly, the British Government official outed as the source for the BBC’s article that questioned the Iraq Intelligence Dossier, was found dead soon after his testimony before an inquiry. His death was deemed a suicide but many questioned the circumstances and demanded a formal inquiry.

It has been interesting following the investigation into the death of Dr. Kelly. The outcome has the potential of sending shock waves throughout the world. It won’t though. The same players who allowed the false information regarding the threat Iraq posed are in charge of sorting through this inquiry as well.

According to the BBC, Assistant Chief Constable of the Thames Valley Police, Michael Page has stated, “I remain confident that he met his death at his own hands.”

Two pieces of key evidence were emails Dr. Kelly sent about 3 hours before his death.

In an email to Gaeta Kingdom at Oxford University, Dr. Kelly wrote:

"Many thanks for your thoughts and prayers. It has been a remarkably tough time. Should all blow over by early next week, then I will travel to Baghdad a week Friday. I have had to keep a low profile which meant leaving home for a week. Back now. With best wishes and thanks for your support. David"

Another email was sent to a New York Times journalist, Judith Miller. Dr. Kelly wrote:

"Judy I will wait until the end of the week before judging - many dark actors playing games. Thanks for your support. I appreciate your friendship at this time."

I am neither a qualified investigator nor a psychologist, but these do not look like suicide notes or simple goodbyes from a distraught individual. The mention of “many dark actors playing games” has been dismissed by ACC Page who insists he has made extensive inquiries into the statement.

I am not into conspiracies but I am not convinced his death was a suicide, based on the evidence I have heard and read up until now.

[indierockboy]

i don't know. as suspicious as this may seem, i'm not ready to believe that someone would be killed to protect already leaked information. especially when said information hasn't exactly had severe ramifications.

[G. Adams]

It has NOT been interesting, it has been bloody dull. Every damned night the same thing, on and on and on. If David Kelly was murdered, it was probably just to create another high profile public enquiry so the press ignored the real evil committed, that the government lied to the public and parliament, leading us into war on false evidence.

[fedfem]

So what happens now? Is Blair off the hook? If he was tossed would the Conservatives grab hold?(shudder)

[GreatWyrm of Babylon]

Seems to me if I had resources and disliked someone, the easyist way to get to them is kill someone they have motive to want dead. Always weird why people admit that politics is comlicated but never look beyond the first order of complication...

[Geoff332]

I think Blair will get away with this (I've changed my mind on that recently). The main reason is not that he's forgiven, but that the conservatives seem incapable of establishing any coherent opposition. Labour has very strongly taken the middle ground, leaving the far left to the LibDems and the far right to who-ever wants it. They are capturing some votes on the moderate right, while dominating the centre and moderate left.

Alice the Camel is gone, and he will probably be enough of a scape-goat to let Blair off the hook. By the next election, he might be all good. Given there's an election in the US coming up, we can probably expect to see some evidence emerge from Iraq before Blair has to face the electorate himself.

[G. Adams]

Originally posted by Geoff332@Sep 3 2003, 08:15 PM I think Blair will get away with this (I've changed my mind on that recently). The main reason is not that he's forgiven, but that the conservatives seem incapable of establishing any coherent opposition. Labour has very strongly taken the middle ground, leaving the far left to the LibDems and the far right to who-ever wants it. They are capturing some votes on the moderate right, while dominating the centre and moderate left. Alice the Camel is gone, and he will probably be enough of a scape-goat to let Blair off the hook. By the next election, he might be all good. Given there's an election in the US coming up, we can probably expect to see some evidence emerge from Iraq before Blair has to face the electorate himself.

The far left to the LibDem's? I think you'd better do some research, the LibDems are political oppurtunists, not far left. Still, vote for them or Socialist Alliance and bring back university grants. How am I supposed to get enough booze with only £100 a week eh? And that with me working part time.

And Blair will win just because I'm cursed with living in a country of generally ignorant people. If they could argue with me why Britain is better off with Blair then I would be delighted, but they can't, they don't know why they vote labour but they will.

Conservatives? If it wasn't a scary thought it would be funny. But they do not stand a chance.

Ever again with luck.

[Geoff332]

I never said the LibDems were the far left; I said that Labour was leaving the far left to the LibDems. As opportunistic as they may be, they're not going to appear on the far right; so the far left is theirs, if they want it (and, being opportunists, they probably will take it). Labour knows it can't hold the extremes and the centre, so it decided to ignore them.

The only good thing about the Conservatives in power at present is that they wouldn't actually be capable of doing anything without self-destructing along the way.

[G. Adams]

Originally posted by Geoff332@Sep 3 2003, 08:36 PM I never said the LibDems were the far left; I said that Labour was leaving the far left to the LibDems. As opportunistic as they may be, they're not going to appear on the far right; so the far left is theirs, if they want it (and, being opportunists, they probably will take it). Labour knows it can't hold the extremes and the centre, so it decided to ignore them. The only good thing about the Conservatives in power at present is that they wouldn't actually be capable of doing anything without self-destructing along the way.

Ah, sorry misinterpretation. The far left still have the Socialist Alliance if the SWP would stop trying to cripple it for its own personal reasons, though.

[Black Fox]

I find the traditional one-dimensional left-to-right spectrum of political views inadequate in describing people's political views. I prefer use as a two-dimensional spectrum made up of two variables: how much personal freedom people should have to live their lives and how much government control there should be over the economy.

So a conservative would support little personal freedom and little government control, whereas a liberal (by the American description) would support much personal freedom and much government intervention. I'm more of a libertarian myself (much personal freedom, little government intervention).

[G. Adams]

Conservatives don't support much personal freedom, only personal economic freedom, they support controlling ethical freedoms (abortion, drugs, euthanasia)

So perhaps there should be a subdivision for personal-government control in regards to economic freedom and ethical freedom.

For instance, lefties want restricted economic freedom but wide ethical freedom, while conservatives support economic freedom but could think of letting gays marry etc

[Pooeypants]

Dr Kelly was probably assassinated by the secret service...*cough*

Anyho, next general election I'll be voting Lib Dems, they may be small but I'm sure if that ginger tosser makes more noise (over IDS...oh the hardness) he'll make a good opposition leader.

[GreatWyrm of Babylon]

2 dimensions are not really enough. But since you mention it there is a political test out there that is based on those very things...
Political Compass
It is not the most accurate test in the world, but it is there.

[G. Adams]

lol. that website really shows where Blair and New Labour are today. Bloody reformists, apologisers for capitalism...

[Pooeypants]

There is so much for Iain DS and his conservative party to attack Labour on currently, i.e. misleading the public on WMD and taking the country to war, the education and transport system is going from poop to poop etc. ofc that'll be asking too much of the main opposition 'cause they don't want power in gov't.