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JustinGilmore · Jan 30, 2004, 01:23 am

Billions of dollers, the largest agency ever created (Homeland security) and are we really safer? No. It's that simple, we're only better prepared, a reactionary kind of responce. With poverty getting worse and worse, we must start paying attention to our citizens instead of our fears. It's overly sad when you see one of the richest countrys in the world in this state; basically helpless. The bush administration ought to stop neglecting it's middle class/poor citizens, at anyrate-if he is re-elected there wont be much middle class left.

Bush has wasted billions of dollers, and now we're in an even worse situation. It's a sad day for America-and Americans havn't realized it yet.

Eulux · Jan 30, 2004, 01:52 am

Hmmm...the dissemination of the middle class can hardly be blamed on bush...you can blame 25+ years for that. I do see your point on the bush administration, however, and am in full agreement.

eburchelli · Jan 31, 2004, 03:48 pm

Vote for Wesley Clark, then. He's promised there will be no terrorist attacks here, if he is President. Even John Kerry seems to think that it's George Bush, who is inviting terrorists to attack us.

But I agree that Homeland Security, as an entity, is a colossal waste of money. It would have been better spent to update the computer systems of all law enforcement agencies, so the database of all suspected terrorists and other baddies, could be coordinated and dispersed as needed.

I think Bush was determined to get his buddy Tom Ridge into his cabinet. I'll never understand that, except that Tom Ridge is very intelligent, but he manages to hide it very well.

Why didn't they do something about the INS instead? That's where most of our problems with terrorists comes from. Putting it under the wing of Homeland Security has not improved it at all and it may be even worse now than ever.

tusaki · Feb 1, 2004, 03:56 pm

Basicly, I don't believe anyone is ever safe from religious zealots because they will always find a reason and a way to do it. [commit terrorist acts]. And I hardly believe warmongoring and imposing paranoia and xenophobia on a people [like Bush has done] will help.

Zeebadee · Feb 4, 2004, 04:11 am

Not only are we less safe from terrorists, but Bush's policies have made us much more vulnerable to an economic catastrophe unimagined since 1929. Under Bush, the national debt has gone up about 20%, from 5.8 to 7 TRILLION dollars, or about $24,000 for each and every citizen of the U.S. The current market boom being trumpeted by the administration is nothing more than imaginary money being pumped into the economy and added to the deficit! This is an election year, folks, so don't look for anything to happen to the economy before the elections. The politicians will use every trick and scheme they can think of to hide the true condition of the economy, like Gray Davis did in California before he got booted from office in disgrace. Come next fall, we won't need to be screening for terrorists on airline flights, there won't be enough flights to be worried about. The real crash is coming after the election, and it will be a bloodbath. Al Qaeda is soon to be the least of our worries.

Impenitent · Feb 4, 2004, 10:57 am

happy ignorance from the left...

the economy is growing and the democRATS LIES about the economy are failing... there are more voters invested in the stock market now than not... they know how the economy works and they also know the tax and spend democRATS are the ones who screw up the economy...

bush will win re-election easily...

remember the landslide of 1984? here we go again...

eburchelli · Feb 4, 2004, 11:19 am

Bush will not do any better this time around than the last. The Democrats are determined to get rid of him and they'll stick together like bees on honey in order to accomplish it.

Since the country is about equally divided between voters of both parties, it will be a race decided by either Independent voters and/or those Republicans who are so disillusioned by Bush's irresponsible fiscal policies, that they will sit this one out.

I am of the opinion, that the latter will happen and that will give the White House to the Democrat. However, I am confident that Congress will remain Republican and the Senate will be even moreso than now. Sixty Republican Senators would destroy a Democratic President.

Impenitent · Feb 4, 2004, 11:22 am

the country is not evenly divided... not even close...

sixty republican senators means a supreme court that will not legislate from the bench

eburchelli · Feb 4, 2004, 12:47 pm

<blockquote>Quote:<hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (Impenitent,)
the country is not evenly divided... not even close...

sixty republican senators means a supreme court that will not legislate from the bench<hr size="1" /></blockquote> Worst case scenario, a Democratic President, who only nominates extreme left wing judges and 60 Republican Senators, who won't give an inch.

If a Supreme Court Justice dies, and no replacement is made, is the reduced court's decisions valid? Can the President make an interim appointment? I can see all kinds of possiblities occuring.

But hopefully, it will be Bush working with 60 Republican Senators. Then ALL his nominations can be secured. Problem is, I have heard Orin Hatch's name as a possible nomination for the Supremes. I don't really care much for Senator Hatch.

Impenitent · Feb 4, 2004, 03:45 pm

I want to see BORK get it... followed by estrada and all the others that the democRATS have unconstitutionally fillibustered... I want one to come in and smile at the democRATS and whisper "I am going to overturn roe v wade" and watch all the democRATS piss themselves because they can't stop it...

Eulux · Feb 4, 2004, 06:58 pm

<blockquote>Quote:<hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (Impenitent)
happy ignorance from the left...

the economy is growing and the democRATS LIES about the economy are failing... there are more voters invested in the stock market now than not... they know how the economy works and they also know the tax and spend democRATS are the ones who screw up the economy...

bush will win re-election easily...

remember the landslide of 1984? here we go again...<hr size="1" /></blockquote>

You are one really dumb fuck...What's with the RATS thing? Damn man, could it not just as easily be said that those are lies from republicans? It's real nice and easy to pass the blame to some people who are not even in control of any of the branches of govt. How in hell can you blame the economy on the democratic party? Are you truely that ignorant?

As for Roe vs Wade, it'll never be overturned...there would be so much trouble from that.

Ahhh...I have one more final question for Impenitent: Do you believe our current govt is a democracy?

eburchelli · Feb 4, 2004, 09:22 pm

<blockquote>Quote:<hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (Impenitent,)
I want to see BORK get it... followed by estrada and all the others that the democRATS have unconstitutionally fillibustered... I want one to come in and smile at the democRATS and whisper "I am going to overturn roe v wade" and watch all the democRATS piss themselves because they can't stop it...<hr size="1" /></blockquote> Me too. I really like Robert Bork. Do you think he's still interested?

Impenitent · Feb 4, 2004, 11:34 pm

<blockquote>Quote:<hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (Eulux,)

You are one really dumb fuck...What's with the RATS thing? Damn man, could it not just as easily be said that those are lies from republicans? It's real nice and easy to pass the blame to some people who are not even in control of any of the branches of govt. How in hell can you blame the economy on the democratic party? Are you truely that ignorant?

As for Roe vs Wade, it'll never be overturned...there would be so much trouble from that.

Ahhh...I have one more final question for Impenitent: Do you believe our current govt is a democracy?<hr size="1" /></blockquote>

thanks for the ad hominem... it illustrates your intellect... rats is what they call themselves... I know history and I can blame the party of tax and spend for what they did...

roe may not be overturned, I just like seeing the democRATS piss themselves when they don't get they way, oh I can see the tantrums now...

a democracy? hell no... this is a representative republic...

Impenitent · Feb 4, 2004, 11:37 pm

I don't think Bork wants the gig... besides, there are candidates even further right to nominate...

hear the wailing and gnashing of teeth...

democRATS in hell...

LOL

Eulux · Feb 5, 2004, 02:58 am

Ad hominem my ass...I simply point out that your whole "the democRATS crippled our economy!" idea is crap. I also claim to have no great intellect, but it should be obvious to anyone that one who has a closed mind such as yourself does not posses one either.

RATS, eh? I've never known a democrat who has refered to themselves as rats, look at the shit-storm they raised in the campaign when dubya's ad fast-flashed RATS on the screen...yeah, they seemed to like it.

Nice to know you that don't believe we are a democracy...

Oh yeah, offer some info on how the democrats wrecked the economy, please.

i_am_a_n00bie · Feb 5, 2004, 04:12 am

Hah! You think you guys are safe, Australia even has anti-terrorist fridge magnets!

Oh, and to Impenitent, if you are a Republican, and you "know history", doesn't that make you a better candidate than the so-called Dubya? I mean, I don't know how your legislative branch's elections work, but here in Australia, the politicians have to go through preselection, which is meant to weed out all the laughable ones.

Impenitent · Feb 5, 2004, 09:51 am

<blockquote>Quote:<hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (Eulux,)
Ad hominem my ass...I simply point out that your whole "the democRATS crippled our economy!" idea is crap. I also claim to have no great intellect, but it should be obvious to anyone that one who has a closed mind such as yourself does not posses one either.

RATS, eh? I've never known a democrat who has refered to themselves as rats, look at the shit-storm they raised in the campaign when dubya's ad fast-flashed RATS on the screen...yeah, they seemed to like it.

Nice to know you that don't believe we are a democracy...

Oh yeah, offer some info on how the democrats wrecked the economy, please.<hr size="1" /></blockquote>

you were the one who called me a "dumb fuck", learn the definition of ad hominem

the democRATS spent us into the poor house since johnson and created all these stupid government social programs that do nothing but keep the "poor" stupid and poor so they will vote democRAT...
closed mind? LOL... right (and by the way that is another ad hominem :) )

Impenitent · Feb 5, 2004, 09:58 am

<blockquote>Quote:<hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (i_am_a_n00bie,)
Hah! You think you guys are safe, Australia even has anti-terrorist fridge magnets!

Oh, and to Impenitent, if you are a Republican, and you "know history", doesn't that make you a better candidate than the so-called Dubya? I mean, I don't know how your legislative branch's elections work, but here in Australia, the politicians have to go through preselection, which is meant to weed out all the laughable ones.<hr size="1" /></blockquote>

if you ever get anti-terrorist vegemite, run!

a better candidate? not really... I don't want the gig...

but the ironic thing is that the lefties will spend the next 6 months bashing and name calling and pissing and moaning and lying about bush, while offering no new ideas or suggestions about any of the "problems" that they have to imagine that bush caused and in the end, bush will wipe the floor with the democRATS... keep the house and get his necessary 60 seats in the senate...

yeah, we have primaries here too... dean got weeded out... but as far as the republican's primary, it is a moot point... bush is pres, bush is the party nominee

white rice · Feb 5, 2004, 03:08 pm

<blockquote>Quote:<hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (Impenitent,)

the democRATS spent us into the poor house since johnson and created all these stupid government social programs that do nothing but keep the "poor" stupid and poor so they will vote democRAT...
closed mind? LOL... right (and by the way that is another ad hominem :) )<hr size="1" /></blockquote>

You're sounding like a phonograph. Never replied in that fiscal conservative thread...

Bush has a 400 billion dollar budget, and his own accounting office is projecting ~3 trillion dollars in the next ten years added onto the existing debt if we continue the kind of spending we have today. Clinton balanced the budget where the past 4 Republican predecessors have failed. In his term, he also created an "untouchable" Social Security surplus that has vanished under the radar today because Congress has tapped into it to help defract costs from the balloning budget.

Impenitent · Feb 6, 2004, 12:38 am

clinton wasn't fighting a war that he had to supply... clinton blew the defenses and never rebuilt the military that he loathed ... bush is rebuilding it... clinton would not have balanced the budget without the republican congress... the untouchable social security was another lie just like permenant tax cut...

Jan 30, 2004, 01:23 am	#1 (permalink) (top)
JustinGilmore Molten Ash Location: US, California Posts: 44	Billions of dollers, the largest agency ever created (Homeland security) and are we really safer? No. It's that simple, we're only better prepared, a reactionary kind of responce. With poverty getting worse and worse, we must start paying attention to our citizens instead of our fears. It's overly sad when you see one of the richest countrys in the world in this state; basically helpless. The bush administration ought to stop neglecting it's middle class/poor citizens, at anyrate-if he is re-elected there wont be much middle class left. Bush has wasted billions of dollers, and now we're in an even worse situation. It's a sad day for America-and Americans havn't realized it yet. ...weird

Jan 30, 2004, 01:52 am	#2 (permalink) (top)
Eulux Molten Ash Location: houston Posts: 27	Hmmm...the dissemination of the middle class can hardly be blamed on bush...you can blame 25+ years for that. I do see your point on the bush administration, however, and am in full agreement. "Man acts as though he were the shaper and master of language, while in fact language remains the master of man." -Heidegger www.rorta.com -knowledge is power...

Feb 1, 2004, 03:56 pm	#4 (permalink) (top)
tusaki Playful Location: Groningen, the Netherlands Posts: 805	Basicly, I don't believe anyone is ever safe from religious zealots because they will always find a reason and a way to do it. [commit terrorist acts]. And I hardly believe warmongoring and imposing paranoia and xenophobia on a people [like Bush has done] will help. Hope & Dream

Feb 4, 2004, 04:11 am	#5 (permalink) (top)
Zeebadee Volcanic Erupter Posts: 3,799	Not only are we less safe from terrorists, but Bush's policies have made us much more vulnerable to an economic catastrophe unimagined since 1929. Under Bush, the national debt has gone up about 20%, from 5.8 to 7 TRILLION dollars, or about $24,000 for each and every citizen of the U.S. The current market boom being trumpeted by the administration is nothing more than imaginary money being pumped into the economy and added to the deficit! This is an election year, folks, so don't look for anything to happen to the economy before the elections. The politicians will use every trick and scheme they can think of to hide the true condition of the economy, like Gray Davis did in California before he got booted from office in disgrace. Come next fall, we won't need to be screening for terrorists on airline flights, there won't be enough flights to be worried about. The real crash is coming after the election, and it will be a bloodbath. Al Qaeda is soon to be the least of our worries. "Everybody knows that the boat is leaking Everybody knows that the captain lied." - Leonard Cohen

Feb 4, 2004, 10:57 am	#6 (permalink) (top)
Impenitent Hot Lava Posts: 1,859	happy ignorance from the left... the economy is growing and the democRATS LIES about the economy are failing... there are more voters invested in the stock market now than not... they know how the economy works and they also know the tax and spend democRATS are the ones who screw up the economy... bush will win re-election easily... remember the landslide of 1984? here we go again... "I really like this jacket, but the sleeves are much too long..." insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, but expecting different results...

Jan 31, 2004, 03:48 pm	#3 (permalink) (top)
eburchelli Molten Ash Posts: 106	Vote for Wesley Clark, then. He's promised there will be no terrorist attacks here, if he is President. Even John Kerry seems to think that it's George Bush, who is inviting terrorists to attack us. But I agree that Homeland Security, as an entity, is a colossal waste of money. It would have been better spent to update the computer systems of all law enforcement agencies, so the database of all suspected terrorists and other baddies, could be coordinated and dispersed as needed. I think Bush was determined to get his buddy Tom Ridge into his cabinet. I'll never understand that, except that Tom Ridge is very intelligent, but he manages to hide it very well. Why didn't they do something about the INS instead? That's where most of our problems with terrorists comes from. Putting it under the wing of Homeland Security has not improved it at all and it may be even worse now than ever.

Feb 4, 2004, 11:19 am	#7 (permalink) (top)
eburchelli Molten Ash Posts: 106	Bush will not do any better this time around than the last. The Democrats are determined to get rid of him and they'll stick together like bees on honey in order to accomplish it. Since the country is about equally divided between voters of both parties, it will be a race decided by either Independent voters and/or those Republicans who are so disillusioned by Bush's irresponsible fiscal policies, that they will sit this one out. I am of the opinion, that the latter will happen and that will give the White House to the Democrat. However, I am confident that Congress will remain Republican and the Senate will be even moreso than now. Sixty Republican Senators would destroy a Democratic President.

Feb 4, 2004, 11:22 am	#8 (permalink) (top)
Impenitent Hot Lava Posts: 1,859	the country is not evenly divided... not even close... sixty republican senators means a supreme court that will not legislate from the bench "I really like this jacket, but the sleeves are much too long..." insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, but expecting different results...

Feb 4, 2004, 12:47 pm	#9 (permalink) (top)
eburchelli Molten Ash Posts: 106	</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (Impenitent,) the country is not evenly divided... not even close... sixty republican senators means a supreme court that will not legislate from the bench<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'> Worst case scenario, a Democratic President, who only nominates extreme left wing judges and 60 Republican Senators, who won't give an inch. If a Supreme Court Justice dies, and no replacement is made, is the reduced court's decisions valid? Can the President make an interim appointment? I can see all kinds of possiblities occuring. But hopefully, it will be Bush working with 60 Republican Senators. Then ALL his nominations can be secured. Problem is, I have heard Orin Hatch's name as a possible nomination for the Supremes. I don't really care much for Senator Hatch.

Feb 4, 2004, 03:45 pm	#10 (permalink) (top)
Impenitent Hot Lava Posts: 1,859	I want to see BORK get it... followed by estrada and all the others that the democRATS have unconstitutionally fillibustered... I want one to come in and smile at the democRATS and whisper "I am going to overturn roe v wade" and watch all the democRATS piss themselves because they can't stop it... "I really like this jacket, but the sleeves are much too long..." insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, but expecting different results...

Feb 4, 2004, 06:58 pm	#11 (permalink) (top)
Eulux Molten Ash Location: houston Posts: 27	</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (Impenitent) happy ignorance from the left... the economy is growing and the democRATS LIES about the economy are failing... there are more voters invested in the stock market now than not... they know how the economy works and they also know the tax and spend democRATS are the ones who screw up the economy... bush will win re-election easily... remember the landslide of 1984? here we go again...<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'> You are one really dumb fuck...What's with the RATS thing? Damn man, could it not just as easily be said that those are lies from republicans? It's real nice and easy to pass the blame to some people who are not even in control of any of the branches of govt. How in hell can you blame the economy on the democratic party? Are you truely that ignorant? As for Roe vs Wade, it'll never be overturned...there would be so much trouble from that. Ahhh...I have one more final question for Impenitent: Do you believe our current govt is a democracy? "Man acts as though he were the shaper and master of language, while in fact language remains the master of man." -Heidegger www.rorta.com -knowledge is power...

Feb 4, 2004, 09:22 pm	#12 (permalink) (top)
eburchelli Molten Ash Posts: 106	</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (Impenitent,) I want to see BORK get it... followed by estrada and all the others that the democRATS have unconstitutionally fillibustered... I want one to come in and smile at the democRATS and whisper "I am going to overturn roe v wade" and watch all the democRATS piss themselves because they can't stop it...<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'> Me too. I really like Robert Bork. Do you think he's still interested?

Feb 4, 2004, 11:34 pm	#13 (permalink) (top)
Impenitent Hot Lava Posts: 1,859	</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (Eulux,) You are one really dumb fuck...What's with the RATS thing? Damn man, could it not just as easily be said that those are lies from republicans? It's real nice and easy to pass the blame to some people who are not even in control of any of the branches of govt. How in hell can you blame the economy on the democratic party? Are you truely that ignorant? As for Roe vs Wade, it'll never be overturned...there would be so much trouble from that. Ahhh...I have one more final question for Impenitent: Do you believe our current govt is a democracy?<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'> thanks for the ad hominem... it illustrates your intellect... rats is what they call themselves... I know history and I can blame the party of tax and spend for what they did... roe may not be overturned, I just like seeing the democRATS piss themselves when they don't get they way, oh I can see the tantrums now... a democracy? hell no... this is a representative republic... "I really like this jacket, but the sleeves are much too long..." insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, but expecting different results...

Feb 4, 2004, 11:37 pm	#14 (permalink) (top)
Impenitent Hot Lava Posts: 1,859	I don't think Bork wants the gig... besides, there are candidates even further right to nominate... hear the wailing and gnashing of teeth... democRATS in hell... LOL "I really like this jacket, but the sleeves are much too long..." insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, but expecting different results...

Feb 5, 2004, 02:58 am	#15 (permalink) (top)
Eulux Molten Ash Location: houston Posts: 27	Ad hominem my ass...I simply point out that your whole "the democRATS crippled our economy!" idea is crap. I also claim to have no great intellect, but it should be obvious to anyone that one who has a closed mind such as yourself does not posses one either. RATS, eh? I've never known a democrat who has refered to themselves as rats, look at the shit-storm they raised in the campaign when dubya's ad fast-flashed RATS on the screen...yeah, they seemed to like it. Nice to know you that don't believe we are a democracy... Oh yeah, offer some info on how the democrats wrecked the economy, please. "Man acts as though he were the shaper and master of language, while in fact language remains the master of man." -Heidegger www.rorta.com -knowledge is power...

Feb 5, 2004, 04:12 am	#16 (permalink) (top)
i_am_a_n00bie Sedimentary Rock Posts: 23	Hah! You think you guys are safe, Australia even has anti-terrorist fridge magnets! Oh, and to Impenitent, if you are a Republican, and you "know history", doesn't that make you a better candidate than the so-called Dubya? I mean, I don't know how your legislative branch's elections work, but here in Australia, the politicians have to go through preselection, which is meant to weed out all the laughable ones.

Feb 5, 2004, 09:51 am	#17 (permalink) (top)
Impenitent Hot Lava Posts: 1,859	</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (Eulux,) Ad hominem my ass...I simply point out that your whole "the democRATS crippled our economy!" idea is crap. I also claim to have no great intellect, but it should be obvious to anyone that one who has a closed mind such as yourself does not posses one either. RATS, eh? I've never known a democrat who has refered to themselves as rats, look at the shit-storm they raised in the campaign when dubya's ad fast-flashed RATS on the screen...yeah, they seemed to like it. Nice to know you that don't believe we are a democracy... Oh yeah, offer some info on how the democrats wrecked the economy, please.<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'> you were the one who called me a "dumb fuck", learn the definition of ad hominem the democRATS spent us into the poor house since johnson and created all these stupid government social programs that do nothing but keep the "poor" stupid and poor so they will vote democRAT... closed mind? LOL... right (and by the way that is another ad hominem :) ) "I really like this jacket, but the sleeves are much too long..." insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, but expecting different results...

Feb 5, 2004, 09:58 am	#18 (permalink) (top)
Impenitent Hot Lava Posts: 1,859	</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (i_am_a_n00bie,) Hah! You think you guys are safe, Australia even has anti-terrorist fridge magnets! Oh, and to Impenitent, if you are a Republican, and you "know history", doesn't that make you a better candidate than the so-called Dubya? I mean, I don't know how your legislative branch's elections work, but here in Australia, the politicians have to go through preselection, which is meant to weed out all the laughable ones.<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'> if you ever get anti-terrorist vegemite, run! a better candidate? not really... I don't want the gig... but the ironic thing is that the lefties will spend the next 6 months bashing and name calling and pissing and moaning and lying about bush, while offering no new ideas or suggestions about any of the "problems" that they have to imagine that bush caused and in the end, bush will wipe the floor with the democRATS... keep the house and get his necessary 60 seats in the senate... yeah, we have primaries here too... dean got weeded out... but as far as the republican's primary, it is a moot point... bush is pres, bush is the party nominee "I really like this jacket, but the sleeves are much too long..." insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, but expecting different results...

Feb 5, 2004, 03:08 pm	#19 (permalink) (top)
white rice Igneous Magma Posts: 372	</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (Impenitent,) the democRATS spent us into the poor house since johnson and created all these stupid government social programs that do nothing but keep the "poor" stupid and poor so they will vote democRAT... closed mind? LOL... right (and by the way that is another ad hominem :) )<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'> You're sounding like a phonograph. Never replied in that fiscal conservative thread... Bush has a 400 billion dollar budget, and his own accounting office is projecting ~3 trillion dollars in the next ten years added onto the existing debt if we continue the kind of spending we have today. Clinton balanced the budget where the past 4 Republican predecessors have failed. In his term, he also created an "untouchable" Social Security surplus that has vanished under the radar today because Congress has tapped into it to help defract costs from the balloning budget. Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups

Feb 6, 2004, 12:38 am	#20 (permalink) (top)
Impenitent Hot Lava Posts: 1,859	clinton wasn't fighting a war that he had to supply... clinton blew the defenses and never rebuilt the military that he loathed ... bush is rebuilding it... clinton would not have balanced the budget without the republican congress... the untouchable social security was another lie just like permenant tax cut... "I really like this jacket, but the sleeves are much too long..." insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, but expecting different results...