Is Syria being set-up?

[PatrickHenry]

Quote by: RickSp Observing recent events, I can't help but wonder whether Syria is being set-up or whether the Syrian government is just as dumb as a sack of hammers. The recent assassination of Rafiq Hariri of Lebanon was hardly in Syria's interest. I find it interesting that immediately following the assassination, the Syrian ambassador went to Hariri's family to express their condolences and deny any involvement. Also immediately afterwards the US pulled its ambassador and blamed Syria even while admitting that they had no evidence for doing so. A relatively few days latter Syria turned over to the Iraqis Saddam's half brother, Sabawi Ibrahim al-Hassan, in an atypical good will gesture. If Syria is being set-up by the US or by the US using Isreal as a proxy, it seems to be working. If Syria did indeed assassinate Harair, then perhaps Bashir Assad should have continued in his chosen field as an ophthalmologist, because as a political strategist he is not too swift.

Turns out it WAS a damn setup:
http://onlinejournal.com/artman/publ...cle_1087.shtml

The assassination of Lebanese businessman Rifik Hariri now looks like the hoax that many suspected from the very beginning. Israeli newspapers’ have already admitted that the current invasion had been planned for over a year, so how can anyone still believe that Syrian agents killed Hariri? Syria had nothing to gain by killing Hariri and everything to lose. Israel, on the other hand, could use the murder as an excuse to push Syrian troops out of Lebanon, invoke UN resolution 1559 to attack Hezbollah, and bomb the country into submission annexing the south according to a Zionist scheme that dates back more than 60 years. Game. Set. Match. The UN investigation, which was led by American-stooge Detlef Mehlis, was a pure, unalloyed fraud that never produced a shred of evidence despite the relentless media innuendo and the finger-pointing at Damascus.

Damn, RickSp. You sure called it...

[shrike]

The assassination of Lebanese businessman Rifik Hariri now looks like the hoax that many suspected from the very beginning. Israeli newspapers’ have already admitted that the current invasion had been planned for over a year, so how can anyone still believe that Syrian agents killed Hariri?

Do you have some proof that any attack was planed on Lebanon?

The UN investigation, which was led by American-stooge Detlef Mehlis, was a pure, unalloyed fraud that never produced a shred of evidence despite the relentless media innuendo and the finger-pointing at Damascus

It seem nice when leftist dont like the fact the just dismiss it just becouse they dont like Mehlis was German and appointed by Annan
And here is a proof

Lebanese Druze leader Walid Jumblatt, a recent recruit of the anti-Syrian opposition, alleged in the wake of the assassination that in August 2004 Syrian President Bashar al-Assad threatened Hariri, saying "Lahoud is me. ... If you and Chirac want me out of Lebanon, I will break Lebanon." [3 ... The United Nations Security Council adopted Resolution 1595 to send an investigative team to look into Hariri's assassination. This team was headed by German judge Detlev Mehlis and presented its initial report to the Security Council on 20 October 2005. The Mehlis Report implicated Syrian and Lebanese officials [6] [7], with special focus on Syria's military intelligence chief, Assef Shawkat, Syrian President Bashar al-Assad's brother-in-law. United States President George W. Bush has called for a special meeting of the UN to be convened to discuss international response "as quickly as possible to deal with this very serious matter." [8]. Detlev Mehlis has asked for more time to investigate all leads. Lebanese politicians have asked to extend the investigative team's duration and charter, to include assassinations of other prominent anti-Syrian Lebanese, such as Gebran Tueni. A second report, submitted on December 10, 2005, upholds the conclusions from the first report. On January 11, 2006, Mehlis was replaced by the Belgian Serge Brammertz. On 30 December, 2005, former Syrian vice-president Abdul Halim Khaddam in a televised interview implicated Assad in the assassination and said that Assad personally threatened Hariri in the months before his death [9]. This interview has caused Syrian MPs to demand treason charges against Khaddam [10].

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hariri#UN_Investigation

[Trotsky]

Quote by: shrike Do you have some proof that any attack was planed on Lebanon? It seem nice when leftist dont like the fact the just dismiss it just becouse they dont like Mehlis was German and appointed by Annan And here is a proof http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hariri#UN_Investigation

Shrike, Shimon Perez (sic?) I think has gone on record with Channel 4 (UK) and the BBC saying that the plans for the invasion were drawn up as early as 18 months ago due to information aquired by Shin Bet and Mossad. He called it an "emergency contingency" plan.

[PatrickHenry]

Quote by: shrike Do you have some proof that any attack was planed on Lebanon?

Sure do: http://globalresearch.ca/index.php?c...articleId=2926

The San Francisco Chronicle reports that "more than a year ago, a senior Israeli army officer began giving PowerPoint presentations, on an off-the-record basis, to US and other diplomats, journalists and thinktanks, setting out the plan for the current operation in revealing detail". The attack, he said, would last for three weeks. It would begin with bombing and culminate in a ground invasion. Gerald Steinberg, professor of political science at Bar-Ilan University, told the paper that "of all of Israel's wars since 1948, this was the one for which Israel was most prepared ... By 2004, the military campaign scheduled to last about three weeks that we're seeing now had already been blocked out and, in the last year or two, it's been simulated and rehearsed across the board". A "senior Israeli official" told the Washington Post that the raid by Hizbullah provided Israel with a "unique moment" for wiping out the organisation. The New Statesman's editor, John Kampfner, says he was told by more than one official source that the US government knew in advance of Israel's intention to take military action in Lebanon. The Bush administration told the British government. Israel's assault, then, was premeditated: it was simply waiting for an appropriate excuse. It was also unnecessary. It is true that Hizbullah had been building up munitions close to the border, as its current rocket attacks show. But so had Israel. Just as Israel could assert that it was seeking to deter incursions by Hizbullah, Hizbullah could claim - also with justification - that it was trying to deter incursions by Israel. The Lebanese army is certainly incapable of doing so. Yes, Hizbullah should have been pulled back from the Israeli border by the Lebanese government and disarmed. Yes, the raid and the rocket attack on July 12 were unjustified, stupid and provocative, like just about everything that has taken place around the border for the past six years. But the suggestion that Hizbullah could launch an invasion of Israel or that it constitutes an existential threat to the state is preposterous. Since the occupation ended, all its acts of war have been minor ones, and nearly all of them reactive.

[RickSp]

Quote by: PatrickHenry Turns out it WAS a damn setup: http://onlinejournal.com/artman/publ...cle_1087.shtml Damn, RickSp. You sure called it...

Even a broken clock is right twice a day. Well, maybe not a digital clock.

[shrike]

Quote by: Trotsky Shrike, Shimon Perez (sic?) I think has gone on record with Channel 4 (UK) and the BBC saying that the plans for the invasion were drawn up as early as 18 months ago due to information aquired by Shin Bet and Mossad. He called it an "emergency contingency" plan.

Every state have some back plan in case of....I am heard that even US such plan to attack Cannada.
Israel didnt kidnap the soldiers it foiled several pervoius atampets to do so.

Quote by: PH A "senior Israeli official" told the Washington Post that the raid by Hizbullah provided Israel with a "unique moment" for wiping out the organisation. The

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And what's wrong with that Hezbollah is terrorist organization that they whole goal is to destroy Israel.

[Mexican't]

I'm 1/2 Syrian and I really wish the country would go away.

[PatrickHenry]

Quote by: shrike And what's wrong with that Hezbollah is terrorist organization that they whole goal is to destroy Israel.

Says you. I think they are a homegrown attempt to protect their nation against a savage militaristic nation to their south.

Terrorist? Your nation is a terrorist state and always will be. By defending their terror you reveal yourself to be a terrorist, shrike. You just have the good fortune to have much of the US and Enlish speaking media controlled by Zionists with an aggressive bloodthirsty agenda llike yours. Consequently the defenders are labeled terrorists, while you wrap yourself in robes of defensive righteousness. Your disguise is disintegrating however...

[shrike]

Quote by: PH Says you. I think they are a homegrown attempt to protect their nation against a savage militaristic nation to their south.

Israel have no attention to destroy Lebanon and throw all the Lebanese to sea. Israel hasn't repeatedly attacked Lebanon with no real reason.Hezballah has and its stated goal.
Are you deny that?

Terrorist? Your nation is a terrorist state and always will be. By defending their terror you reveal yourself to be a terrorist, shrike. You just have the good fortune to have much of the US and Enlish speaking media controlled by Zionists with an aggressive bloodthirsty agenda llike yours. Consequently the defenders are labeled terrorists, while you wrap yourself in robes of defensive righteousness. Your disguise is disintegrating however

Yes because all the media concentrated on this conflict and on" poor" Arab that have 23 states that rich with oil.
But no one cares what happened around the world. No one care when there were massacre in Ruanda no one care that Chinese government murders each year thousands if not more people in the work camps. No one tried to impose cease fire when Russia attacked Chechnya and so on. The media is defiantly leftist and anti-Israeli.

[PatrickHenry]

Quote by: shrike Israel have no attention to destroy Lebanon and throw all the Lebanese to sea.

Well you're sure doing a good job of what you have no "attention" to do!

Quote by: shrike Israel hasn't repeatedly attacked Lebanon with no real reason.Hezballah has and its stated goal. Are you deny that?

You lie. Israel has repeatedly attacked Lebanon. Your "reasons" are pretexts. Similar to September 1, 1939. Your fascist, militaristic nation is facing a homegrown defensive force in Hizballah and has furiously destroyed the entire nation of Lebanon over the capture of two soldiers. Hizballah is NOT a threat to the existence of the Zionist State. Get real.

Quote by: shrike Yes because all the media concentrated on this conflict and on" poor" Arab that have 23 states that rich with oil. But no one cares what happened around the world. No one care when there were massacre in Ruanda no one care that Chinese government murders each year thousands if not more people in the work camps. No one tried to impose cease fire when Russia attacked Chechnya and so on.

Red herrings Я Us, huh, shrike?

Quote by: shrike The media is defiantly leftist and anti-Israeli.

The media is nearly uniformly pro-Zionist in America, but the flood of innocent blood in Lebanon is difficult to ignore.

[shrike]

Well you're sure doing a good job of what you have no "attention" to do

I mean to say intention
Israel has no intention to destroy Lebanon and throw all the Lebanese to sea.

You lie. Israel has repeatedly attacked Lebanon

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Israel withdrew from Lebanon in 2000 after that your Hezbollah terrorist heroes attacked Israel with no reason.

Hizballah is NOT a threat to the existence of the Zionist State. Get real

Hezbollah is only a proxy of Iran who is stated goal to destroy Israel.

Red herrings Я Us, huh, shrike?

Classical tactic of leftist and socialist like yoi when they dont like the facts presented they call you just disregard it.
Its not red herring you argument was about media and I presented how the media handles all other conflicts around the world .The concentration is on Israel i wonder why?

The media is nearly uniformly pro-Zionist in America, but the flood of innocent blood in Lebanon is difficult to ignore

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I proved otherwise no one cared when ten of thousands died in Darfur and in Ruanda

[shrike]

In the name of Allah By Riad Ali It tears one's heart and stills one's breath to see the images coming from Lebanon. The same goes But sorrow and grief over the war's victims shouldn't blur its prime objectives, both in Lebanon and in the Palestinian territories. When the Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza adopted suicide bombing as their strategy in fighting Israel, I concluded that their war against the occupation is over, and an indiscriminate war on Jews has begun. I was convinced then, as I am now, that at that moment, the Palestinians lost the war, at least in the moral sense. ... A Palestinian moral-ethical debate on the status of the suicide bomber never took place. The saboteur was and remained a shahid, with all of the positive attributes that the word carries in Islamic terminology. Palestinians who still opposed the bombings did so on tactical grounds; that is to say, if it had furthered their cause, they would have seen no wrong in it. A similar process happened with Hezbollah. If before 2000 the organization could have had the benefit of the doubt and claim it is fighting Israeli occupation of Lebanon, today it is clear to see that its war is against Jews wherever they may be. You have to be deaf in order not to hear the voice of Mahmoud Ahmadinejad as it emerges from Nasrallah's throat, and naive in order to believe that the purpose of the arsenal Nasrallah has accumulated is the release of prisoners and the liberation of the Shaba Farms. This is the time to address the Arab citizens of Israel, and tell them that the time has come for them to decide where they stand. And they should do so for their own sake, and not for the sake of the Jews. For the sake of the values they want to instill in their children. For the sake of retaining their intellectual dignity. It is clear to all that a Hamas-led Palestinian government and a Hezbollah-controlled Lebanon will not bring democratic societies with a flourishing political and social pluralism. It is clear that in regimes such as those, the rule of law, human rights, the freedom of religion and worship, women's rights, the freedom of creation, the freedom of movement, the freedom of expression and thought - all will be alien, ridiculed concepts, to say the least ...

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/747996.html

[PatrickHenry]

Quote by: shrike Israel has no intention to destroy Lebanon and throw all the Lebanese to sea.

Right. :rolleyes: Your nation's goal is to drive out the residents of all of South Lebanon, up to the Litani, set up an occupied Zone, establish rabid fascist Israeli "settlements", and a de facto annexation of another nation's territory, just as you have in Samaria and Judea. Do you think the world can't see this?

The Zionist State is an aggressor, a liar, a manufacturer of pretexts, a serial murderer, a vicious propagandist, and an ethnic cleanser. Your nation needs to be cast out of the company of civilized nations into the howling wilderness of the barbaric. You teach your children the same hate you decry from the Arab side.

The US is blinded by the Religious Right into supporting any atrocities your nation commits. You are complicit in US aggression across the entire Greater Middle East. Jews would be wise to emigrate from Israel to nations where they can live in peace and prosperity. Your nation has a faulty philosophical basis that knows no cure.

[shrike]

Quote by: PatrickHenry Right. :rolleyes: Your nation's goal is to drive out the residents of all of South Lebanon, up to the Litani, set up an occupied Zone, establish rabid fascist Israeli "settlements", and a de facto annexation of another nation's territory, just as you have in Samaria and Judea. Do you think the world can't see this?.

Even when there was an Israeli presence in South Lebanon. There was never an Israel community there. But I guess facts don't interest you. You interested in the pure hate without any foundation and here is as an example like you ancestors from Europe probably:

The Zionist State is an aggressor, a liar, a manufacturer of pretexts, a serial murderer, a vicious propagandist, and an ethnic cleanser. Your nation needs to be cast out of the company of civilized nations into the howling wilderness of the barbaric. You teach your children the same hate you decry from the Arab side.

Jews would be wise to emigrate from Israel to nations where they can live in peace and prosperity. Your nation has a faulty philosophical basis that knows no cure

Yes because Jews were never prosecuted along the history right?