Lockout Continues As Con Edison Workers Rally In Union Square

[grandpa]

"Utility company Con Edison imposed the lockout as part of its scheme to extract huge bargaining concessions from utility workers. The concessions included demands to eliminate the existing retirement plan for new employees and impose additional healthcare costs on all workers. The utility giant has made these demands despite posting $US1.1 billion in net profits last year."
8,500 utility workers locked-out in New York | Industriall

Can anyone say class warfare? What are your thoughts?

Grandpa h.

[Charlatan]

Someone is getting too greedy.

[Dan74]

I heard about this on the radio a few weeks back. I think it's quite clearly an act of class warfare. All of capitalism is class warfare, really. Funny how those Republican asses on TV talk about how tax increases, collective bargaining, union struggle, etc. are acts of class warfare, when, it reality, those are only defenses against the class war that's been going on for centuries.

[BobbyO]

The lockout ended. It was necessitated because the union would not agree to give 2 weeks notice should they decide to strike-- the contract had expired so the union had the right to call one at any point. Con Ed, having responsibility to people who use electricity, had to take their responsibility seriously, had to have plans in place should the union go out. Apparently Con Ed could not just pull something together at the last moment.
The union, since it does not have responsibility to people who use electricity (just to its members) declined to agree to give notice of a strike (which they, though irresponsible on their end, had absolutely no legal obligation to do) Hence, the responsible actions of Con Ed.
But the lockout is ended and a contract has been signed.

[Charlatan]

well, if you think about it, this could be left over from the old days? In those days the people could stop work and work when they felt like it and before the unions they could just jump jobs and stuff. the natural order calls for people that are entrepeneurs and they work when they feel like it, and people are free to buy goods from who they want.

But i still like unions.

[Dan74]

The lockout ended. It was necessitated because the union would not agree to give 2 weeks notice should they decide to strike-- the contract had expired so the union had the right to call one at any point. Con Ed, having responsibility to people who use electricity, had to take their responsibility seriously, had to have plans in place should the union go out. Apparently Con Ed could not just pull something together at the last moment.
The union, since it does not have responsibility to people who use electricity (just to its members) declined to agree to give notice of a strike (which they, though irresponsible on their end, had absolutely no legal obligation to do) Hence, the responsible actions of Con Ed.
But the lockout is ended and a contract has been signed.

The union is made up of the workers, therefore it does have a huge responsibility to the people who use electricity. Con Ed wouldn't function if its only workers were men in suits sitting in comfortable offices.

[Dieval]

"Utility company Con Edison imposed the lockout as part of its scheme to extract huge bargaining concessions from utility workers. The concessions included demands to eliminate the existing retirement plan for new employees and impose additional healthcare costs on all workers. The utility giant has made these demands despite posting $US1.1 billion in net profits last year."
8,500 utility workers locked-out in New York | Industriall

Can anyone say class warfare? What are your thoughts?

Grandpa h.

Jeeeez.....Is there anything that's NOT "class warfare" for you (and Dan)?

[grandpa]

Is there anything that's NOT "class warfare" for you (and*
Dan)?

Few things would qualify under the status quo. Labor should be an exploration of opportunity, of personal growth, more than a form of class subordination.

Grandpa h.

[Dan74]

Jeeeez.....Is there anything that's NOT "class warfare" for you (and Dan)?

Well, not really. Any class system has class warfare.

[Dieval]

Few things would qualify under the status quo. Labor should be an exploration of opportunity, of personal growth, more than a form of class subordination.

Grandpa h.

If it's not (as in, not "an exploration of opportunity, of personal growth") then you're doing it wrong.

[Dieval]

Well, not really. Any class system has class warfare.

Heh, so explain how this is "class warfare", rather than a business providing a product that EVERYONE needs trying to keep their product available to all...

[Darklordabc]

Heh, so explain how this is "class warfare", rather than a business providing a product that EVERYONE needs trying to keep their product available to all...

Dan does not care about economics or end results. He cares about his class. Period. Its identity politics for communists. He is not interested in the creation of wealth, and how Capitalism is the engine of wealth, he is only interested in splitting up the pre-existing wealth, so his class can get a big check. And after the communist system he advocates for plunders all the wealth and goes bankrupt, he will blame it's failure on it being "wrongly implemented" by men of "lesser vision and conviction", and will go straight back to advocating for it again.