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    What’s next….Will Obama grant himself a Presidential Pardon?

    Why would Democrats even think of voting for Obama? Members of his party in Washington are sending their invitations back and are not even going to show up for their own convention this year, “They don’t want to be seen with him”

    But anyway….Most people are aware of how Obama has reneged on promises that he ran on in 2008, but has anyone kept track? Do Democrats even keep track of such things….I think so, whether they admit it or not. So here is a starter of a list compiled by a Democrat, and we will just add to it as we get closer to election.

    Let’s start with stuff like he didn’t even propose the public option in healthcare that he campaigned on, or, his appointing numerous Wall Street executives to his economic team

    The ass bails out Wall Street while allowing bonuses for top execs

    He didn’t veto NDAA allowing for arresting and detaining without habeous corpus by the government that allows them to detain indefinitely

    Then he signs Executive order to close GITMO the day after being sworn in and then backtracks,

    He appoints Jeffrey Immelt (a major person in shipping jobs overseas) to head his JOBS Council, is in favor of SOPA and PIPA “so watch out what you say when responding”

    Then agrees to cut 2 Trillion from Social Security, Medicare, Medicade and other social safety net programs

    He hasn’t touched trade treaties like he promised where corporations are shipping labor to Asian countries for .25 cents per hour thus promoting slavery and not leveling the playing field for Americans

    Then he only proposed 248 billion in Infrastructure Jobs when he was told by economists that they predicted 1.5 trillion was needed for the economy to recover

    Obama praised the recent JOBS Act, which allows corporations to go public and raise capital without audited financial information in their public presentations for the first five years, allowing them to present fictitious numbers and defraud investors?

    Obama has failed to propose the return of Glass-Steagall, separating commercial and investment banking, which will soon plunge us back into another mega-bailout of Wall Street.

    He has failed to propose the break up of the big banks and corporations. What ever happened to the Sherman Anti-Trust Act?

    While campaigning, he promised to put on his walking shoes for labor, but failed to even show up in Wisconsin and walk the picket line against Governor Walker.

    For some reason he has arrested and raided more marijuana users in less than four years than George Bush did in eight years. Why is Obama proposing cuts to social security, medicare, and medicaid while spending more on marijuana arrests and raids, especially when a majority of Americans are for legalization of pot and for the open sale of marijuana for medical use?

    Time and time again Obama did not fight the good fight for working Americans, who are losing their jobs, health insurance, homes, dignity, etc…. but made promise after promise while holding his nose in the air as if thinking of his next lie. So how can anyone believe that Obama would not disappoint them again, over, and over? Along with all the broken promises….just what would you be voting for by allowing him to continue to run our beloved country to ruin?

    What allows you to have trust, faith, and confidence in whatever promises or statements that he makes? Well anywaysss….here is the rest of that list I promised earlier.

    1. Reneged on pledge to filibuster FISA Amendments Act (July 2008)
    2. Lobbied for $700 billion Paulson TARP bank bailout
    3. Pushed for no sanctions against Lieberman
    4. Nominated healthcare company lobbyist Tom Daschle as Secretary of HHS
    5. Had neoliberal Robert Rubin as his chief economics adviser
    6. Then had the equally neoliberal Larry Summers assume this role
    7. Chose the failing upwards Timothy Geithner to head Treasury
    8. AIG bonuses and money to Goldman under Obama
    9. Doubling down in Afghanistan
    10. Delay and reduction of withdrawal from Iraq
    11. Moving Guantanamo activities to Bagram
    12. Military commissions for some detainees
    13. Support for indefinite detention
    14. Refusal to release torture photos under FOIA
    15. Refusal to investigate and prosecute Bush era criminality
    16. Geithner’s DOA economic rescue programs: the PPIP and TALF
    17. Minimal help for homeowners and no cramdowns
    18. Treatment of Chrysler and GM with bankrupcy compared to bank no fail “stress tests”
    19. Kabuki of TARP repayment by banks while still dependent on government credit lines
    20. Extra-Constitutional use of the Fed by the Executive for fiscal policy
    21. Credit Card bill without usury caps and with 9 month delay for other reforms
    22. Business friendly Mary Schapiro named to head SEC
    23. Gary Gensler who helped deregulate derivatives named to head CFTC
    24. $787 billion stimulus: too little, too late, poorly structured
    25. Use of financial crisis to attack Social Security and Medicare
    26. The great healthcare non-debate
    27. Continued use of state secrets argument in ongoing Bush era cases
    28. Use of signing statements, including one to punish whistleblowers
    29. Vetting process problems, especially tax related ones
    30. Leaving Dawn Johnsen’s nomination to head OLC twisting in the wind
    31. Eric Holder, failure to reform DOJ
    32. Failure to move against new oil bubble
    33. Retention of Bush Defense team: Gates, Patraeus, and Odierno
    34. Continued missile strikes inside Pakistan
    35. Keeping Bush’s domestic spying programs and adding a new one, cybersecurity
    36. Choice of Elena Kagan who favors expansive Presidential powers as Sollicitor General, her subsequent nomination to the Supreme Court
    37. Leaving EFCA (to help counter anti-union companies) to wither in Congress
    38. Welcoming Arlen Specter who brings nothing to the Democrats into the party
    39. Weak ineffective proposals for financial reform
    40. Obama wanted John Brennan at CIA but settled for making him his counter- terrorism adviser
    41. Chas Freeman with broader Mideast perspective done in by AIPAC
    42. Dennis Blair made DNI; failed to act to stop atrocities in East Timor
    43. Choice of McChrystal involved in torture in Iraq to head Afghanistan command
    44. Obama threat to suspend intelligence cooperation with UK over Binyam Mohamed case
    45. Efforts to keep Bush and Obama White House logs secret
    46. Playing games with “Don’t ask, don’t tell”
    47. Filing a brief to overturn Jackson (access to lawyer) in the Montejo case
    48. Not withdrawing Bush brief in Osborne DNA case
    49. Egregious brief in challenge to Defense of Marriage Act
    50. The Supplemental which made Iraq and Afghanistan Democratic wars
    51. Choice of Rahm Emanuel as the President’s Chief of Staff
    52. Choice of Dennis Ross as Iran envoy and then his move to the White House
    53. Politically embarrassing processes to fill Obama and Clinton’s Senate seats
    54. Choice of Bill Richardson, then Judd Gregg to head Commerce Department
    55. Reneging on pledge to re-negotiate NAFTA
    56. Obama’s throwing his pastor Jeremiah Wright to the curb, then reaching out to religious conservative Rick Warren
    57. Continued challenges to habeas corpus petitions over indefinite detention, the Janko case
    58. The Obama White House website
    59. Continuing an ineffective program that Iran can exploit politically
    60. Going slow on climate change when there is no time to
    61. Not withdrawing a Bush-era amicus brief in the Ricci v. DeStefano reverse discrimination case and supporting a rollback of Title VII
    62. Appointment of a CIA General Counsel who doesn’t know if waterboarding is torture
    63. Appointment of a DNI General Counsel who doesn’t know if waterboarding is torture
    64. CIA delay in a FOIA request concerning torture
    65. The influence of Goldman Sachs in the Obama Administration
    66. Attempt to keep secret the Cheney interview on the Plame affair
    67. Mountaintop removal under Obama
    68. Attempt to restrict Congressional notification on intelligence matters
    69. Opposition to a second stimulus
    70. Another egregious attempt to fight a habeas corpus petition in the Jawad case
    71. Continuing charter schools and standardized tests
    72. Holder’s decision to support a weak, narrow review of torture
    73. Re-appointment of Ben Bernanke as Fed Chairman
    74. Continuing renditions
    75. Politically dubious company was used to vet reporters in Afghanistan
    76. Judge vetoes a too weak SEC plea bargain with Bank of America
    77. Justice’s argument for making Bagram a new Guantanamo, the al Maqaleh case
    78. Defense to turn over databases to poorly controlled fusion centers
    79. Obama changes but keeps Bush’s Star Wars program
    80. Failure to win an Israeli freeze on settlements
    81. White House refuses to back its own staffer environmentalist Van Jones
    82. Politicized US Attorney in the Siegelman case cleared by Office of Special Counsel
    83. Criticism of Iranian nuclear program; support of Israeli nuclear weapons
    84. Support for a weakened reporter’s shield law
    85. Use of the Zazi case to retain broad Patriot Act surveillance provisions
    86. Wilner v. NSA, continuing the coverup of warrantless surveillance of communications between attorneys and detainees
    87. Attempt to spike the Goldstone report on Israeli-Hamas war crimes in Gaza
    88. Slowness in filling federal judgeships
    89. Inadequate aid to overwhelmed state budgets
    90. Attempting to dodge the Supreme Court deciding whether innocent Guantanamo detainees can be resettled in the US
    91. Allowing drilling in the waters off the north coast of Alaska
    92. Keeping detainee accounts of CIA torture secret
    93. Current FBI manual allows for widespread domestic spying
    94. Securitization invalidates most foreclosures
    95. Geithner wanting unlimited powers to save large banks
    96. Another state secrets defense to conceal domestic spying
    97. Circuit Court dismissal of Maher Arar suit
    98. Weakening Sarbanes-Oxley and calling it financial reform
    99. Unemployment
    100. Inspector General for Fannie and Freddie ousted for investigating fraud
    101. Gaming courts to convict Guantanamo detainees
    102. White House counsel removed for his principled stands on torture and Guantanamo
    103. US seizes mosques claiming Iranian connection
    104. Howard Dean removed as head of the DNC
    105. Scientist with close ties to Monsanto put in charge of all governmental agricultural research
    106. Pesticide lobbyist nominated as Chief Agricultural Negotiator for trade
    107. Effort to let some government contractors avoid paying taxes
    108. A bad US Attorney nomination for Northern Iowa
    109. Hunger in America
    110. The breast cancer recommendations fiasco
    111. Ongoing confusion and disorganization in the military commissions process
    112. Phillip Carter another official in closing Guantanamo resigns
    113. Refusal to sign anti-land mine treaty
    114. The Ghizzawi case and the legal limbo of “cleared for release”
    115. Black prisons at Balad and Bagram
    116. Delay in declassifying historic documents
    117. Max Baucus’ conflicts of interest in healthcare and with his girlfriend
    118. Major security breach at a White House party and a ridiculous assertion of “executive privilege”
    119. Dana “Pig Missile” Perino nominated to the Broadcasting Board of Governors
    120. Cass Sunstein, an anti-regulator in a regulatory position
    121. Warrantless for profit electronic surveillance by telecoms and search engines
    122. The government sides with torture lawyer John Yoo and attacks Bevins actions again
    123. The TSA publishes its security manual online
    124. Toxic legal arguments in al Zahrani v. Rumsfeld, yet another Bevins action
    125. The Nobel Peace Prize and a neocon acceptance speech
    126. Blackwater’s involvement in military and CIA assassination and drone programs
    127. Congressional Research Service censorship in the firing of Morris Davis
    128. AIG writes off $25 billion in debt and sticks taxpayers with the bill
    129. The Administration plays hardball to kill an amendment that would lower drug costs
    130. A poorly considered blank check to Fannie and Freddie
    131. Continuing a Bush botch in the Nisoor Square massacre case
    132. Jonathan Gruber, a major defender of Obamacare was also a paid consultant for it
    133. A Geithner related cover up of the AIG at par payments on swaps
    134. Adoption of stealth signing statements
    135. al Bihani, more bad legal reasoning in another Guantanamo habeas case
    136. Cutting Medicare and Social Security by deficit commission proposed
    137. A 3 year non-freeze budget freeze proposed
    138. NASA flights privatized
    139. OPR report on Yoo and Bybee watered down and its relation to the Padilla case
    140. Government targeting of US citizens for assassination
    141. Abuse of informants by ICE agents
    142. Obama leaves Privacy and Civil Liberties Oversight Board empty
    143. Obama backs firing of teachers in Rhode Island
    144. Irish human rights advocate Edward Horgan has US visa pulled
    145. Threatened veto of 2010 Intelligence Authorization Act over Congressional notifications
    146. Obama Administration intimidation of whistleblowing site: wikileaks
    147. Fish and Wildlife Service continues to ignore science on endangered species
    148. Senate vacation more important than jobless benefits
    149. Government seeks to compel turnover of emails without a warrant
    150. Obama goes after an NSA whistleblower: the Thomas Drake case
    151. Obama goes after a CIA whistleblower: the James Risen case
    152. Weakening Miranda rights in national security cases
    153. Advocating the privatizing of public housing
    154. Another step in making Bagram the new Guantanamo, the al Maqaleh case, the appeals court edition
    155. Massey mining disaster, 29 die because of corporate greed and poor regulation
    156. Obama proposal for a line item veto
    157. A military commander allowed to use military forces for intelligence operations without Presidential approval
    158. Political pandering in sending 1200 National Guardsmen to the Southwest border
    159. A sad record on resisting Guantanamo habeas petitions
    160. Israel attacks an aid convoy for Gaza; Obama punts
    161. A further erosion of Miranda: Berghius v. Thompkins
    162. Naming James Clapper, a Bush appointee, to be the next DNI
    163. DOJ seeks to protect Vatican in sex abuse scandal
    164. Yahya Wehelie, an American exiled without charge
    165. Failure to replace National Labor Relations Board members means hundreds of decisions must be reviewed
    166. SCOTUS opts for overly broad definition of material support to terrorist groups
    167. Speaker Pelosi backstabs Social Security
    168. Complaints by government scientists of political interference at Bush era levels
    169. Flip flop on free trade agreement with Colombia
    170. SEC declares major victory but lets Goldman off easy
    171. Private contracting of intelligence continues under Obama
    172. Two Guantanamo prisoners to be deported back to Algeria against their will
    173. The Shirley Sherrod affair: trumped up charges of racism and a bungled response 174. Whitewash report on Bush era US Attorney firings
    175. Despite its record, Blackwater still gets big US government contracts
    176. Wikileaks releases government files showing Pakistan involvement with Taliban and admission that things are going poorly in Afghanistan
    177. Obama seeks to get access to everyone’s web histories without a court order
    178. Teacher funding sacrificed to keep Education Secretary Arne Duncan happy
    179. State’s top Iran hand resigns over Obama’s Iran policy
    180. Citizens United: validation of unlimited corporate political funding
    181. Push to expand US arms sales around the world
    182. Project Vigilant, Infragard and “volunteer” corporate spying for the government
    183. Obama’s approval hits Bush levels in Arab world
    184. Effort to pre-empt state environmental lawsuits involving green house gases
    185. Justice’s Anti-trust division asleep at the wheel
    186. Kagan’s recusals render her even more ineffective on the Supreme Court
    187. Poverty level highest since 1994
    188. Courts run interference for corporate violators of international law
    189. Warren named to set up but not to run Consumer Financial Protection Board
    190. Chief economic adviser Larry Summers leaves; Obama looks for someone even more pro-business to replace him
    191. DOJ IG report goes soft on Bush era surveillance against peace groups and other activists; meanwhile the Obama Administration conducts raids against similar groups
    192. Move to put backdoors in the internet to facilitate spying and more requirements on banks on international money transfers of any size
    193. HHS Secretary Sebelius delays for at least two years required insurance coverage for contraception
    194. Americans on Medicaid increased to 48.5 million in 2009
    195. Big home lenders suspend foreclosures as their documentation gets challenged in court
    196. HR 3808, a bill passed by Congress, to facilitate the acceptance of false documentation by banks in foreclosure proceedings
    197. ICE raids and deportations increase under Obama
    198. Social Security COLA frozen for second straight year; no action taken
    199. Waivers for military aid to countries with child soldiers
    200. Big and deserved losses in the 2010 elections
    201. 42 million Americans on food stamps at the end of FY 2010
    202. No indictments for those involved in the CIA destruction of the torture tapes
    203. The Bowles-Simpson Cat Food Commission proposals
    204. $3 billion in aid for Israel for a 90 day settlement freeze
    205. No change in Democratic Congressional leadership after 2010 election disaster
    206. Forced proselytizing still prevalent at US Air Force Academy
    207. TSA harassment and violation of the 4th Amendment
    208. More TSA idiocy: full body scans and invasive pat downs
    209. The response to the 2009 coup in Honduras
    210. Use of diplomatic personnel to spy at the UN
    211. Fed proposes rule change to Truth in Lending Act to protect bank fraud
    212. FCC head Genachowski takes an axe to net neutrality
    213. Lieberman and Amazon.com seek to censor wikileaks
    214. Pressuring the Spanish government into dropping torture prosecutions against 6 high level Bush officials
    215. Neoliberal free trade deal with South Korea at a time of high unemployment
    216. Hamfisted banning access to wikileaks by government departments
    217. Massive screwup in printing $100 bills
    218. Extending tax cuts for the rich in a poor compromise on jobless benefits
    219. Dancing boys of Afghanistan paid for by US contractor Dyncorp
    220. EPA backtracks on smog standards
    221. Former OMB director Peter Orszag goes to Citigroup
    222. Obama breaks the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty to supply Israel with nuclear fuel
    223. DREAM Act for children of illegal immigrants done in by Senate Democrats
    224. DOJ drops investigations of corrupt members of Congress
    225. The FBI’s Guardian database, another useless, intrusive surveillance program
    226. Pentagon weakens rules on contractor conflicts of interest
    227. Investigation by state Attorney Generals into foreclosuregate: no criminal charges
    228. Obama names Mr. NAFTA Bill Daley as his new Chief of Staff
    229. Obama names neoliberal free trader Gene Sperling to replace Larry Summers
    230. Executive Order to make regulations more business-friendly
    231. Gulet Mohamed: Detention and torture of US citizens by proxy
    232. Nelson v. NASA: government can demand intrusive, unnecessary information about its employees
    233. Choice of GE’s outsourcing CEO Jeffrey Immelt as Obama’s Jobs Czar
    234. Failure to weaken or eliminate the filibuster
    235. Corporate targeting of Wikileaks and liberal organizations
    236. Reaction to the popular revolution in Egypt
    237. HHS Secretary Sebelius helps states cut Medicaid rolls and funding
    238. Petraeus accuses parents not US attacks for burns to children in Afghanistan
    239. US general in Afghanistan sets up illegal propaganda program targeting Americans
    240. Obama plans to devastate small block grants program for the poor
    241. Silence on the Wisconsin labor protests
    242. Former Senator Christopher Dodd quickly becomes lobbyist after promising not to
    243. Obama reinstitutes sham review tribunals at Guantanamo
    244. DOJ colludes with Bush era official Scott Bloch to keep him out of jail
    245. The treatment of Bradley Manning
    246. State Department spokesman PJ Crowley forced to resign over Manning comments
    247. Massive conflicts of interest in David Stevens at HUD and soon to be head of main lobbying group for the mortgage industry
    248. Mild reaction to bloody anti-democratic repression in Bahrain and Yemen
    249. Torture psychologist appointed to White House task force
    250. FBI program which allows them to investigate anyone who doesn’t work (surprise)
    251. In his Libya war, Obama has completed the unconstitutional process of Presidents’ usurpation of Congress’ power to make war
    252. Obama accepts award for transparency in secret
    253. Democrats create PACs to receive unlimited contributions from anonymous donors 254. 2011 government shutdown threat as Shock Doctrine
    254. The 2011 “great” biprtisan budget deal
    255. The OCC deal to cover for banks in foreclosuregate
    256. Reshuffling neocons at DOD and the CIA
    257. Leak of Detainee Assessments shines light on the weakness of cases against many Guantanamo inmates
    258. Geithner shields foreign exchange derivatives from Dodd-Frank regulation
    259. Crazy new application for some US passports
    260. DOJ wants SCOTUS to allow for GPS tracking without a warrant
    261. An industry stacked panel to study fracking
    262. SCOTUS attacks small claim class actions
    263. SCOTUS okays fraud in financial presentations
    264. SCOTUS attacks large class actions and Title VII
    265. DOJ’s non-investigation of torture produces few results
    266. Department of State threatens participants of Gaza flotilla with terrorism charges
    267. Detainees now held on ships to avoid judicial scrutiny
    268. CIA operating a black site prison in Somalia
    269. SCOTUS and DC Appeals Court torpedoing detainee habeas petitions
    270. SCOTUS greatly expands warrantless searches; Obama DOJ approves
    271. Tapping the Strategic Petroleum Reserve after the 2011 spike in gasoline prices
    272. Christine Varney, head of DOJ Anti-Trust Division, goes to law firm that had case before her
    273. Senseless 2011 debt ceiling crisis, budget cutting, and attacks on Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid
    274. TSA closes US airspace to Mexican human rights activist
    275. DHS guts its unit monitoring right wing terrorism in US
    276. “Recovery” benefited corporations, not workers
    277. Harassment of a government scientist Charles Monett because his work clashes with drilling in the Arctic
    278. African Americans and Hispanic wealth took hardest hit from financial crises
    279. Cass Sunstein sitting on labor rules to protect child workers
    280. Oil leasing in Gulf resumes
    281. Administration pressures NY AG Schneiderman to go along with bogus mortgage settlement
    282. DOJ dumps responsibility for its bungled gun running sting on handy US Attorney
    283. US ranks 41st in the world in infant mortality
    284. White House engages in selective prosecution of Dan Choi over DADT protest
    285. COBRA extension ditched
    286. Obama spikes EPA ozone limits
    287. 2011 Obama fictional jobs plan
    288. Contractors cost twice as much as unionized federal workers doing the same work
    289. New EPA greenhouse gas limits also being drawn out
    290. CFTC proposes ineffectual limits on commodity speculation
    291. State Department targets career officer Peter Van Buren for writing critical book
    292. Secret Law and the OLC legal justification for killing a US citizen abroad
    293. US incomes fall more after recession than during it
    294. Another Afghanistan fail: torture rampant in Afghan prisons
    295. Bank of America dumps derivative exposure on to the FDIC with Fed approval
    296. New rule to legitimize government lying in response to FOIA requests
    297. Cronyism and the Keystone XL pipeline
    298. Despite pledge, Obama still taking money from lobbyists
    299. Secure Communities and deportation as a business
    300. The Occupy movement and the attacks upon it
    301. DOJ prosecuting financial fraud at the lowest rate in 20 years
    302. US stops funding of UNESCO
    303. 42% of Americans living paycheck to paycheck
    304. The Post Office facing cuts because of unnecessary prefunding mandates

    He might have to sign another Executive order…..maybe use Executive privilege…or even pardon his own ass to make this all go away. He is starting to get good at it. LOL

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    And if I had voted for McCain, I would have gotten all of that? Who could I have voted for who would have created the perfect country by the very fact of his occupying the office?

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    If the Republicans could nominate a candidate who was not an irrational extremist, beholden to the people who can barely comprehend the notion that the earth is not flat, they'd win in a heart beat. As it is the choice is between two people who serve corporate interests and little else. One is, at least, rational, and the other is a serial liar who serves religious fanatics. What a choice. It's a choice between the lesser of evils.

    At any rate, I doubt that it matters who wins as corporate interests and the wealthy decide public policy regardless of who is in the White House.

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    Quote Quote by: barts View Post
    If the Republicans could nominate a candidate who was not an irrational extremist, beholden to the people who can barely comprehend the notion that the earth is not flat, they'd win in a heart beat. As it is the choice is between two people who serve corporate interests and little else. One is, at least, rational, and the other is a serial liar who serves religious fanatics. What a choice. It's a choice between the lesser of evils.

    At any rate, I doubt that it matters who wins as corporate interests and the wealthy decide public policy regardless of who is in the White House.
    Well I wouldn't go as far as saying Obama is "serving religious fanatics" but he has shown us that he is a "serial liar".

    At any rate, I doubt that it matters who wins as corporate interests and the wealthy decide public policy regardless of who is in the White House
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    Have to agree somewhat with that statement barts. Now if we could just get them to not make promises and just "tell it like it is". I think most would appreciate that whether it's what they want to hear, or not.

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    Have to agree somewhat with that statement barts. Now if we could just get them to not make promises and just "tell it like it is". I think most would appreciate that whether it's what they want to hear, or not.
    Totally agree here TR. People should have the right to sack their president no matter when.

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    Seriously...who is it that we need to vote for who is going to make the power of money disappear from the system simply by taking office? If you oppose regulations on business, you effectively vote for business writing all the rules for themselves. If you oppose the "nanny-state" protections for individuals, you vote for the power that is concentrated in the hands of a few staying right where it is. I didn't vote for Obama expecting that his ideals would then gain the force of law, because...contrary to what some right wing pundits like to preach, I wasn't wowed by Obama's rhetoric. I know how the game works. The left, at best, chips away at the institutional walls of priveledge and injustice. Between the Blue Dog Dems and the Republicans who would oppose Jesus if he was elected as a Democrat, the walls are strong. At no time did the Democrats have a fillibuster proof majority. There was always Joe Leiberman, thrawrting any effort when it came to Gitmo or "national security" issues and Ben Campbell and Blanche Lincoln, trying to play both sides of the fence. I would also submit that a major difference between Democrats and Republicans is the fact that Democrats suck it up and attempt to govern, while Republicans prefer to play the power game and refuse to negotiate and compromise. That big list of "failures" is proof positive that Obama is not the ideologue, dictatorial ass that many like to portray him as being. If he had refused to sign into law any measure that did not perfectly conform to his desired policies, absolutely nothing would have been done and you would all be saying he was more interested in satisfying his ego than in being the president of the whole counrty. Why is it that Republicans are allowed to be inflexible ideologues and it is seen as "principle" and Democrats get all the shit for the failures that causes? Is it because Republicans start off from the position of claiming government sucks and when they absolutely make it so, nobody expects any different?

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    Wow. I know some right wingers who would love to meet you.

    Anyways, the reason why it just doen't matter to me is the cry wolf effect. The right just kept attacking him so much, it just doesn't have the same weight anymore.


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    Seriously...who is it that we need to vote for who is going to make the power of money disappear from the system simply by taking office? If you oppose regulations on business, you effectively vote for business writing all the rules for themselves. If you oppose the "nanny-state" protections for individuals, you vote for the power that is concentrated in the hands of a few staying right where it is. I didn't vote for Obama expecting that his ideals would then gain the force of law, because...contrary to what some right wing pundits like to preach, I wasn't wowed by Obama's rhetoric. I know how the game works. The left, at best, chips away at the institutional walls of priveledge and injustice. Between the Blue Dog Dems and the Republicans who would oppose Jesus if he was elected as a Democrat, the walls are strong. At no time did the Democrats have a fillibuster proof majority. There was always Joe Leiberman, thrawrting any effort when it came to Gitmo or "national security" issues and Ben Campbell and Blanche Lincoln, trying to play both sides of the fence. I would also submit that a major difference between Democrats and Republicans is the fact that Democrats suck it up and attempt to govern, while Republicans prefer to play the power game and refuse to negotiate and compromise. That big list of "failures" is proof positive that Obama is not the ideologue, dictatorial ass that many like to portray him as being. If he had refused to sign into law any measure that did not perfectly conform to his desired policies, absolutely nothing would have been done and you would all be saying he was more interested in satisfying his ego than in being the president of the whole counrty. Why is it that Republicans are allowed to be inflexible ideologues and it is seen as "principle" and Democrats get all the shit for the failures that causes? Is it because Republicans start off from the position of claiming government sucks and when they absolutely make it so, nobody expects any different?
    I agree here too. This is all true. The populace should hold their congressmen accountable at anytime also.

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    Seriously...who is it that we need to vote for who is going to make the power of money disappear from the system simply by taking office? If you oppose regulations on business, you effectively vote for business writing all the rules for themselves. If you oppose the "nanny-state" protections for individuals, you vote for the power that is concentrated in the hands of a few staying right where it is. I didn't vote for Obama expecting that his ideals would then gain the force of law, because...contrary to what some right wing pundits like to preach, I wasn't wowed by Obama's rhetoric. I know how the game works. The left, at best, chips away at the institutional walls of priveledge and injustice. Between the Blue Dog Dems and the Republicans who would oppose Jesus if he was elected as a Democrat, the walls are strong. At no time did the Democrats have a fillibuster proof majority. There was always Joe Leiberman, thrawrting any effort when it came to Gitmo or "national security" issues and Ben Campbell and Blanche Lincoln, trying to play both sides of the fence. I would also submit that a major difference between Democrats and Republicans is the fact that Democrats suck it up and attempt to govern, while Republicans prefer to play the power game and refuse to negotiate and compromise. That big list of "failures" is proof positive that Obama is not the ideologue, dictatorial ass that many like to portray him as being. If he had refused to sign into law any measure that did not perfectly conform to his desired policies, absolutely nothing would have been done and you would all be saying he was more interested in satisfying his ego than in being the president of the whole counrty. Why is it that Republicans are allowed to be inflexible ideologues and it is seen as "principle" and Democrats get all the shit for the failures that causes? Is it because Republicans start off from the position of claiming government sucks and when they absolutely make it so, nobody expects any different?
    Really unhappy that the "like" button isn't there.

    Oh, and to answer the very first question in the OP the alternative to Obama is much, much, much, much, much, much, worse than Obama could ever dream of being.

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    155. Massey mining disaster, 29 die because of corporate greed and poor regulation
    I was semi-dozing through the first hundred Obama Felonies when I stopped at #155: the Massey mining disaster in West Virginia. Obama snuffed out 29 miners too! The Cretan. I could understand Dana “Pig Missile” Perino and the bad US Attorney nomination for Northern Iowa (poor Northern Iowa!) but killing innocent West Virginians is one massacre too far, even for a Democrat born in Kenya.

    I'm shocked. I'm mortified. And I'm still voting for Obama over that lying piece of jellied spine called Mitt Romney. Mittens is THAT bad.

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    109. Hunger in America
    I missed the memo where the president became directly responsible for hunger in America. Pretty sure that's been around for a while now.


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    I was semi-dozing through the first hundred Obama Felonies when I stopped at #155: the Massey mining disaster in West Virginia. Obama snuffed out 29 miners too! The Cretan. I could understand Dana “Pig Missile” Perino and the bad US Attorney nomination for Northern Iowa (poor Northern Iowa!) but killing innocent West Virginians is one massacre too far, even for a Democrat born in Kenya.

    I'm shocked. I'm mortified. And I'm still voting for Obama over that lying piece of jellied spine called Mitt Romney. Mittens is THAT bad.
    Sorry to hear about your semi-dozing Decider. I’m sure there is a tax paid free government program that can help with all different type ailments like narcolepsy. Maybe you’ll get the chance to read through the other 150 on the list and it will inspire even more love for Obama….and something worth you commenting on.

    Also, thanks for bringing crucial new evidence that I’m sure all of us were not aware of, “and thought was a waste of time …which it seems is not for you”…of Obama being born in Kenya. Maybe you can take the time between cute mitten style cat-naps and inform us of all the wrong things quoted on the list. I have you down for 1 out of 155 so far, so keep us informed about the rest of the list? Thanks.

    Here is your answer to the one you listed so far and there are plenty more, it was the first one at the top of the page.

    http://opinion.latimes.com/opinionla...er-plants.html

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