Lose Lose Economy

[Void Serpent]

This isnt about the gap between the poor and the rich. I did the math for my own life and this is what i came up with.
America's economy is arranged to keep you poor and uneducated unless you can work the system in your favor and even then you're left with debt to pay off. If i worked full time (40hrs/week) the most I would expect to make (max) in one year is $12,000. After $9,000 to school (pre-books) and $1,800 for half rent I would be left with $1,200 for the entire year for food, insurances, bills, gas and other necessities. $100 a month to live on isn't enough. One solution is sure to work more, but being a full time student (18hrs/wk) and one full time job (40hrs/wk) with normal sleep (8hrs/day) I am left with the equivalent of 7hrs/day to study outside of class, work a second job, eat, shower, grocery shop(if i had the money), or anything demanding such as those. The education system suggests 3hrs out of class study for every hour in class to achieve high standing. That eliminates all the time left. So it seems like there is no "right" way to approach this problem, get more money now do terrible in school and work those two jobs your whole life. Place precedents on school and you will not have enough money to survive unless you bury yourself in debt. Worse for wear you can loose your job because you cannot work a flexible schedule due to your classes , like I have, so that even the loans wont cover living... It makes no sense to have a lose lose system.

[Dodds]

What would you do to rectify this situation? Also I do sympathize with your situation.

[Dan74]

It makes no sense to have a lose lose system.

Such is capitalism, my friend.

[Void Serpent]

My solution is a work on Communism.
Communism is an economic system built around a classless society in which private ownership has been abolished and the means of production and subsistence belong to the community. Communism is where each person works according to his abilities and gets according to his needs. Today we work hard just to survive and we can barely do that. Many people work multiple jobs to do just that, while others whose work is regarded as important contribute little to the whole. When we think of disease prevention we only give credit to the doctors, what of the garbage workers and waste disposal units? Without the later would we not have streets filled with rotting food, sewers overflowing with feces and waste? The doctor would then be of little use as everyone would be sick and dying at higher rates than even now. However a doctor is paid even more than these unsung heroes. Why? One commonly given answer is that the doctor paid a lot of money for school and spent a lot of time to get when they are. There is that thing hinders us all, money. What if the doctor did not need to pay money to get where they are? Someone would say no one would want to do such a job without payment. Surely this is not emotionally true, someone has to desire the knowledge and satisfaction the job brings. Though in a communistic society, without currency, being a doctor, doing what you are capable of doing guarantees you all your needs. Home, food, and the same luxuries as everyone else, so long as you put into the society it will give back. When you break it down to the essential variables that affect everyone, no one is more or less important than another. This does not lead to a loss of individuality that is built as you grow. Without currency education is free for as long as you seek it and give labor into society. All the people who would not be able to afford an education and reach their full potential in the current world society could reach the stars. Some think in a communistic society everyone would be in cookie cutter houses wearing grey prison garb. This would be untrue housing would be based on the need of the person(s) and there is plenty of clothing to pick from. There are many routed for these needs, one person merely needs a studio apartment or single bedroom, and I am sure the math is easy to follow from there. There are homeless that wish to work to obtain housing, in a communist society the employer is not bound by a status quo and can hire without limit. In this economic world all things are centered on the almighty dollar, but in a communist economy the center is the people. Sure production will change within a company from one thing to another to keep up with the demand, but nobody would be without. Children (14-16 by state) would not need to work and the age 18 could be a possibility to start putting into the whole. Since everyone would be working somewhere the overall quality of life would be improved. This is however something that could only be acquired if done worldwide. There are materials only certain regions have and others need everyone works together giving without currency exchanged and receiving what they need in return. Everyone and everything is of equal importance, there is no pound per pound exchange no bartering. Everyone benefits when everyone works whether it be as a doctor, teacher, driver, stocker, manager or anything else. People can do the jobs they desire and while contributing to society. You will want nothing, it’s all provided. Some think luxuries like televisions and games would not count to the "need" mentioned, and they don’t but when everyone is working, such luxuries can be provided to everyone. As I said however either everyone is in or no one is, sure a few that don’t want to work would need to be excluded from the whole. With this economy the entire human race would prosper and not just lucky individuals, is that not what we strive for? It does no good to place all power and wealth in one place or on one person, but when all people are equal it takes more to conquer us than when there are fewer beacons to take. Many look at how communism has played out in the world and have disdain for it and i will tell you why. in the world communism is used as a government when it is not. communism is the idea of the people for the people where the only thing is the people. communism is just this, the abolition of currency and the building off of the premise; from each according to their ability to each according to their need.

[Dan74]

This is however something that could only be acquired if done worldwide.

This is true, but it is important to realize that world revolution won't happen all at once. Things have to start somewhere. Interestingly enough, this seemed to be the case at one point in the earth 20th century. However, capitalism quickly crept into the minds of the rulers and the revolution was stopped.

[Dieval]

This isnt about the gap between the poor and the rich. I did the math for my own life and this is what i came up with.
America's economy is arranged to keep you poor and uneducated unless you can work the system in your favor and even then you're left with debt to pay off. If i worked full time (40hrs/week) the most I would expect to make (max) in one year is $12,000. After $9,000 to school (pre-books) and $1,800 for half rent I would be left with $1,200 for the entire year for food, insurances, bills, gas and other necessities. $100 a month to live on isn't enough. One solution is sure to work more, but being a full time student (18hrs/wk) and one full time job (40hrs/wk) with normal sleep (8hrs/day) I am left with the equivalent of 7hrs/day to study outside of class, work a second job, eat, shower, grocery shop(if i had the money), or anything demanding such as those. The education system suggests 3hrs out of class study for every hour in class to achieve high standing. That eliminates all the time left. So it seems like there is no "right" way to approach this problem, get more money now do terrible in school and work those two jobs your whole life. Place precedents on school and you will not have enough money to survive unless you bury yourself in debt. Worse for wear you can loose your job because you cannot work a flexible schedule due to your classes , like I have, so that even the loans wont cover living... It makes no sense to have a lose lose system.

How did you come up with the $12,000/year number?
Why do you have to be a full time student now?
Have you looked in to a trade school?
How about starting your own business?
Grants? Loans?
Why not join the military and get life experience, job training, and college paid for?

[Dieval]

You will want nothing, it’s all provided.

I'm sure your communist/socialist supporters here will be thrilled that another one has joined their ranks, but this is such a stupidly naive belief..

[Dan74]

I'm sure your communist/socialist supporters here will be thrilled that another one has joined their ranks, but this is such a stupidly naive belief..

Coming from a capitalist.....

[Dodds]

how did you come up with the $12,000/year number?
Why do you have to be a full time student now?
Have you looked in to a trade school?
How about starting your own business?
Grants? Loans?
why not join the military and get life experience, job training, and college paid for?

bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

Hypocritical much?

[Dan74]

bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

Hypocritical much?

Wasn't Dieval the one a few weeks ago talking about how poor people should go to college?

[Dodds]

Wasn't Dieval the one a few weeks ago talking about how poor people should go to college?

He still is. Anyways whats funny about his post is he is suggesting that someone should join the worlds largest and most wasteful government organisation to not only be taught how to think, how to act as a selfless team member and lose their individuality while gaining the advantages of UHC, but best of all, he advocates that others pay for it. Fucking priceless.

[lsbskins1]

How did you come up with the $12,000/year number?
Why do you have to be a full time student now?
Have you looked in to a trade school?
How about starting your own business?
Grants? Loans?
Why not join the military and get life experience, job training, and college paid for?

1) 52 weeks work, 40 hours a week at 7.25 for minimum wage = 15,080.00 a year. His calculation was not that far off.

2) If he goes part time, he has to live for 6 or 8 years (or more) working for lower wages, accruing earning potential losses. Just like you end up maximzing advantages by paying a house or a car off faster, you maximixe advantage by finishing school faster.

3) Most associates/technical degrees have become close to useless. You pay someone to train you to do jobs that get classified as "para-professional", and their pay rates suck. He would pay someone to NOT significantly increase his own earning potential. I literally know at least 10 people who paid for medical certifications who make pretty much the same wages as people who didn't bother.

4) Good luck getting the necessary loans to start a business if you don't already make more than a living wage. Banks don't tend to loan money to people because they are smart and charming.

5) Nothing wrong with joining the military to serve, learn a trade or whatever, but it isn't like it is a plan that the multitudes can take advantage of...the military does not need THAT many folks.
3) Do you think trade school is free?