Yes, seriously. How can you not see this?
Yes, seriously. How can you not see this?
Doesn't that mean most people are trolls?
No, it means most people on forums are called trolls at one point or another for stating their opinion honestly.
True, many times, we don't know what the worse situation is or even if it will occur. Also, we can't infringe on freedom just to prevent what may or may not be a worse situation. It's not enough to defend freedoms when it's convenient or easy. You have to do it when it's dangerous. Otherwise we aren't defending freedoms, we're just defending our own asses.Quote by: Dieval
I do not find it outside the realm of plausibility that a terrorist organization is able to recruit someone who's white. Neither do I find it crazy that a terrorist organization bent on hijacking or attacking an airplane would be predominately white. We have just as many crazy people here as they have over there.Quote by: Dieval
Lester: Boy, you need something else outside of this.
McNulty: Like what?
Lester: A life, Jimmy. You know what that is? It's the stuff that happens while you're waiting for moments that never come.
This subject is a tough one for me...I come from a family where all of the males have served, including myself...Of course I was young and wanted money for college...It was peace time...As I said I was young then...As I have aged my view of life has grown and I now look at things a little differently...
I still respect the Idea of serving the country...However I some real issues with what our Military has become...And what it does...Some here have mentioned Vietnam and describe the actions of Jane Fonda and the Protestors as Traitors...But now we can look back with some clarity...and see...The protestors were RIGHT! The protestors said the war served no purpose, They said we should not be in that fight...they were RIGHT...They said the KILLING was unnecessary....they were RIGHT...They said the war was about Money...They were RIGHT....and Iraq was again another VIETNAM...totally unnecessary and not about the Security of America...no it was about MONEY...and the People of Iraq and our Soldiers were used as pawns for Corporate America to make a buck...It may bancrupt our country and kill thousands of our Young but what they hey we'll make a buck....Disgusting...
Some here have mentioned the Military Propaganda Machine that makes it to where the Young actually think joining is good for them and the Country...It is not...The military is bancrupting America...the actions of our Government make us less safe...A person is more likely to get shot working at 7-eleven than as a US Soldier in IRAQ during the War...So who is the Brave one...The soldier who has all the gear and intelligence backing him up as he goes to fight or the young girl who defends herself with only a smile...I get so upset when I hear Career Military people rant about the evils of Socialism and how Obama is trying to ruin our country by making it a Socialist Nation....To have a Career in the Military is to denounce our Free markets and Capitalism...and to choose to join the militaries Socialist System...Do not misunderstand what I am saying...Pat Tillman...He was a HERO...He did not join for the Money...He did not join to have a career...He joined solely to do his part during a time of war...That is what our military should be about...and what did he get for it...He got killed by fellow soldiers....Sickening...Our service is our final act to prevent our Government from taking unnecessary actions...If we had not volunteered to fight in IRAQ and AFGHANISTAN we would not have all the Maimed and dead...WE would not have the huge Debt...We need to reduce our military expenditures by at least 50%...that money would be much better used on education for our citizens...The Navy is not as the commercial says "A Global Force for GOOD"....I do love the Orwellian nature of that commercial...almost as good as Department of Homeland Security....sounds a lot like the Ministry of Peace...lol
In the past recent years more military members have committed suicide then died in combat. That doesn't sound heroic to me.
"Suicide totals have exceeded U.S. combat deaths in Afghanistan in earlier periods, including for the full years 2008 and 2009."
"The statistics reported by The Associated Press show that military deaths from suicide outweighed combat deaths by a two-to-one ratio"
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Census of Fatal Occupational Injuries:
"The preliminary count of fatal work injuries in the U.S. in 2010 was 4,547, about the same as the final total of 4,551 in 2009."
But to address the issue you raise here, it is a strange quandry. If, instead of sending your father to face the flak of German guns, we had been able to fly unmanned drones over Germany and save Allied lives, would you have refused your father that personal protection? The technology is a double edged sword. It creates both an advantage and an increased moral obligation. I would suggest that the problem is not that we CAN fly drones from a safe haven, it is how and when we choose to do it. And the guy pushing the joy stick does not make that decision. The moral fault is with the decision makers. And, it is easy to take the purist view that any civilian death caused by the use of technology is a moral failure, but if you take that view, and your father did fly missions over Germany, you must condemn him as well because it is an almost statistical certainty that civilians we killed by bombs he dropped. That someone shot at him in the process does not make the dead civilians any less dead, or any less civillian. I don't think your father was without morals, and I doubt you do, so he obeyed orders that led to deaths of innocents while not being a damn immoral pig war criminal. I don't think we can condemn the guy today anymore than we can condemn your father. The ugly truth is that civillians will die in war. It is pretty much unavoidable. What is avoidable is callous disregard for this reality. And therein lays the danger of the drone technology. It becomes easier to disregard useless death when you are immune to the inherent danger of war. It is a rationl aim during war time to minimize your own casualties and maximize your opponent's. Drones serve that purpose. I would suggest that the thing we are "screwing up" is not that we use the technology, it is that we refuse to accept that having it means we have to be tremendously dilligent in making sure we only employ it when the costs of not using it are a greater moral failure.
All I see when I look down, something jumpin' on the ground, Scratchin' dirt, cluckin' in the barnyard -
Tell me, could that be you?