Mainstream media reports Obama's birth certificate a fraudulent document

[Zel]

I also love me a great conspiracy theory, they are fun *but cant be dangerous*. I actually watch and have watched a ton of them, they are all over the internet. After I watch a particularly persuasive one, i usually do myself a favor and fact check it.

First i use logic, it almost always makes me chuckle at the theory in question. In this particular one ALL the "devastating" evidence is through themselves *cold case posse* and a lot they "cant release" so you have to just trust them completely, already that sounds peculiar. They also associate with the tea party, which means they may have a heavy bias towards Obama, which is a pretty heavy strike against them. Another good point is that this has been looked at a lot *and that is being modest*, you would think the best have already verified that it is legitimate. It is a pretty big deal after all.

Finally I go through and find people who have debunked this *if its popular enough you will find plenty*. This stops me from foolishly believing a conspiracy theory and ranting to everyone about it. I would post what i found but i can't post links until i hit a post count of 10 =p

[Jack]

The White House and the media (in the pocket of the White House/Progressive movement) is counting on the fact that this will slip by without notice since the media was successful calling the birthers crazy.

And, I quess it is working since no one seems to be aware of the latest findings and keeps shoving this off as old news.

Bottom line.......amidst all the silver spoon, dog hating, GSA Secret Service crap, we have a government that is breaking the laws they are sworn to uphold and believe me will see that they are enforced on you.

If the Obama administration is violating the law, or even the spirit of the law (and a growing number of people among the liberal/Democratic/progressive camp are beginning to suspect this is the case), the conservative conspiracy theorists are their best cover. By lumping looney-tunes worries over Obama's birth certificate with legitimate questions of policy the administration is able to convincingly dismiss all their arguments. Who's going to take birthers seriously even if they had real concerns about real issues?

I am concerned about this administrations actions that intrude on and in some cases violate the freedoms we've come to expect in the U.S. and our Constitution. The legitimacy of Obama's birth certificate is a red herring. It's a pointless and worthless distraction from real issues.

[linda_mary_13]

The reason nobody cares is because these forgery claims have been brought up before, got attention, and we're dismissed. This is old news. So what, someone is just re-presenting the same ole forged document argument as was presented two years ago, do we have to keep rehashing this every single time someone brings it up with new conviction?

And maybe the news media saw the story, saw the same "proof" as you, and realized it was bunk that's not worth reporting on. Do you at least accept the possibility that your "experts" are wrong, biased, frauds, ect? I'm not saying that they are, but I'm saying it's possible, and experience has taught us that the birthers of the past were quacks, so there is a good chance these are too, especially since its a lot of the same people as last time, just with a slightly different spin on their story.


Should we open up an hour on MSNBC cause some new co sluracy theory on the Kennedy Assassination surfaces? That's just silly.

So, with your line of thinking, no one should care that GSA is ripping us off, that the secret service is breaking laws. So what, that the US Justice Dept broke laws through Fast and Furious. So what that the writers of the tax laws break those laws but will put YOU in jail if you do. So what that that document put out by the White House was a proven forgery. So what, old news, that our financial system is on the brink of failure, Greece,Spain and Italy are going down, so what. So what, that you can't find a job, so what that you have no gas to get to work., So what!

Well, your line of thinking has obviously won out. MSNBC doesn't report news in their nightly news hour, they spend it trashing their opponent and pushing their agenda. You can't find any factual news data there because their audience doesn't ask for it or expect it. They have blurred the line between right and wrong successfully, in as much as when forged documents are handed to us to prove a point we accept it and call anyone who challenges it crazy conspiritists. (don't know if that word is correct, but you get the point). What proof do you have that birthers are quacks other than MSNBC said they were. Look at the quacks and not the issue. Perfect diversion.

We are silly to fall for such obvious manipulation.

[linda_mary_13]

Jack, the forged birth certificate is "hard copy" proof of the total disregard for the laws you say they have no regard for. You see how difficult it is to rid GSA of the corruption. It's like chasing smoke. This is "hard copy" that even the simple minded could grasp.

[hensatri]

So, with your line of thinking, no one should care that GSA is ripping us off, that the secret service is breaking laws. So what, that the US Justice Dept broke laws through Fast and Furious. So what that the writers of the tax laws break those laws but will put YOU in jail if you do. So what that that document put out by the White House was a proven forgery. So what, old news, that our financial system is on the brink of failure, Greece,Spain and Italy are going down, so what. So what, that you can't find a job, so what that you have no gas to get to work., So what!

Well, your line of thinking has obviously won out. MSNBC doesn't report news in their nightly news hour, they spend it trashing their opponent and pushing their agenda. You can't find any factual news data there because their audience doesn't ask for it or expect it. They have blurred the line between right and wrong successfully, in as much as when forged documents are handed to us to prove a point we accept it and call anyone who challenges it crazy conspiritists. (don't know if that word is correct, but you get the point). What proof do you have that birthers are quacks other than MSNBC said they were. Look at the quacks and not the issue. Perfect diversion.

We are silly to fall for such obvious manipulation.

You still keep saying its a forgery as if it's a fact. That has yet to be even remotely demonstrated. Look, I address this nonsense in my blog and I'm tired of repeating myself, so just look there:

Barry Obama and the Half-Blood Principle « A Point of Contention

[Jack]

...the forged birth certificate is "hard copy" proof of the total disregard for the laws you say they have no regard for.

Yet oddly enough, considering all the far right enemies Obama has, it's only a few wing-nuts who take this whole birther issue seriously any more. It was nonsense when it started and hasn't improved a bit since then.

[linda_mary_13]

You still keep saying its a forgery as if it's a fact. That has yet to be even remotely demonstrated. Look, I address this nonsense in my blog and I'm tired of repeating myself, so just look there:

Barry Obama and the Half-Blood Principle « A Point of Contention

In response to the dust up in 2008 when the birthers rejected the original "hospital record of birth" a few people got to see the long form, confirmed it was there and that was to be the end of it.

Then Obama's White House decided to place the long form birth certificate on line for all to see.

Tea Party requested Arpaio to verify. Thus, Cold Case Possee, made up of professional lawyers and law enforcement. They hired experts to look at electronic long form birth certificate and their finding was that it was not a photo of the long form birth cert, but it was constructed in layers.

The layer that was of most concern was the state seal and stamp. This layer came from unknown origin. These steps were brought to experts in the field of photo shop and the conclusion was the document was forged and fraudulant.

WHY would the White House give us a constructed, layered produced document rather than just photograph the long form birth certificate in Hawaii that the "elite few" got to see?

Maybe they just want to perpetuate the conspiracy. That however, does not absolve them from the fact that what they provided was a forgery of the so called existing long form birth certificate in Hawaii.

The reconstruction and plugging in of data is not an original document. What would you call that if not a forgery? A substitute? Counterfeit?

What part of this do you have a problem with or are sick of hearing about?
Do you have some other information you can add? Provide it.

[linda_mary_13]

Yet oddly enough, considering all the far right enemies Obama has, it's only a few wing-nuts who take this whole birther issue seriously any more. It was nonsense when it started and hasn't improved a bit since then.

Maybe Jack, it's God's way of showing he was a fraud from birth.......or maybe not. Maybe it just depends on what "is" "is" as Clinton has reminded all those wing nuts from the past. Oh what a tangled web we weave, when we practice to deceive.

[hensatri]

In response to the dust up in 2008 when the birthers rejected the original "hospital record of birth" a few people got to see the long form, confirmed it was there and that was to be the end of it.

Then Obama's White House decided to place the long form birth certificate on line for all to see.

Tea Party requested Arpaio to verify. Thus, Cold Case Possee, made up of professional lawyers and law enforcement. They hired experts to look at electronic long form birth certificate and their finding was that it was not a photo of the long form birth cert, but it was constructed in layers.

The layer that was of most concern was the state seal and stamp. This layer came from unknown origin. These steps were brought to experts in the field of photo shop and the conclusion was the document was forged and fraudulant.

WHY would the White House give us a constructed, layered produced document rather than just photograph the long form birth certificate in Hawaii that the "elite few" got to see?

Maybe they just want to perpetuate the conspiracy. That however, does not absolve them from the fact that what they provided was a forgery of the so called existing long form birth certificate in Hawaii.

The reconstruction and plugging in of data is not an original document. What would you call that if not a forgery? A substitute? Counterfeit?

What part of this do you have a problem with or are sick of hearing about?
Do you have some other information you can add? Provide it.

OMG, this photoshop layers thing was brought up two years ago, investigated, and dismissed, like I said, we've been over this. If you are buying this you must be deliberately avoiding contrary evidence. You can google "Obama birth certificate photoshop" and get a dozen explanations of how scanning a document, cleaning up the scan in photoshop, and then converting into a PDF will create the same artifacts in virtually any image. This is not a mystery, this has been addressed.

Furthermore, do you think that if the White House wanted to engage in such a forgery they would high some college kid just out of graphic design class to just copy and paste a photoshop seal into an image, leaving some sort of obvious evidence open to a simple decompression of the image?


You apparently have an aching, manic, nearly orgasmic longing to be privillaged to a special truth, and you are engaging is stupendous feats of mental gymnastics to preserve that quivering feeling of "special" way down in your core.

Just let it go man....

[Jack]

Maybe Jack, it's God's way of showing he was a fraud from birth

But of course, that must be it!

[linda_mary_13]

OMG, this photoshop layers thing was brought up two years ago, investigated, and dismissed, like I said, we've been over this. If you are buying this you must be deliberately avoiding contrary evidence. You can google "Obama birth certificate photoshop" and get a dozen explanations of how scanning a document, cleaning up the scan in photoshop, and then converting into a PDF will create the same artifacts in virtually any image. This is not a mystery, this has been addressed.

Furthermore, do you think that if the White House wanted to engage in such a forgery they would high some college kid just out of graphic design class to just copy and paste a photoshop seal into an image, leaving some sort of obvious evidence open to a simple decompression of the image?


You apparently have an aching, manic, nearly orgasmic longing to be privillaged to a special truth, and you are engaging is stupendous feats of mental gymnastics to preserve that quivering feeling of "special" way down in your core.

Just let it go man....

Excuse me.......you are saying that I have an aching, manic, nearly orgasmic longing for a special truth. Who do you think you are? Is this your approach to rebutting a position in a debate? To transfer your own emotions, and overactive imagination and pretend that you know me?

This news conference occurred March 2012. These findings are not the same as 2008. Why is it the only data you bring to this debate is YOUR theory that the White House hired some kid out of college?

Your graphic choice of words tells me you must write paperback novels for a living. You can direct them to others, but I will NOT accept that interaction as a substitute for a reasoned discussion.

[Jack]

You've been asked twice for the source of the claims in the OP. None has been provided. Without knowing the source I see no reason to take those claims as credible in any way. Beating a dead horse will never bring it back to life.