Mainstream media reports Obama's birth certificate a fraudulent document

[Yarn]

your bias to accept factcheck.org over current findings of law enforcement professionals says it all!

Factcheck.org attacks both parties, so of course I trust it over tea partiers.

[linda_mary_13]

Factcheck.org is a one man operation. I saw the guy interviewed by Brian Lamb on CSpan and he left even Brian scratching his head.

[Yarn]

Actually, it has 10 permanent staff.
FactCheck.org : About Us

[hensatri]

The mainstream media has reported the findings of a special task force that the long form birth certificate of Barak Obama, presented by the White House, is a fraud.


Why then, is this revelation not being discussed by the mainstream media, especially in this election year. Are we to assume the American press, the watch "dogs" accept fraudulent documents, lawlessness, feloneous behavior in order to advance "their" ideology aka "vomit"?


This is not put forth to debate whether Obama is a citizen, but rather is the mainstream media relevant today? Was and is their only purpose to dance with the devil and spin the facts?


I might add, the silence comes from both sides of the political spectrum, and the revelation of the fraud comes from "the people". Dems and Repubs are two wings of the same bird!


Before commenting, ask yourself why you didn't know for certain this document was a fraud, especially if you think of yourself as "informed", and why haven't you screamed to the high heaven that this is unacceptable!

Look, Linda, I don't know what country you live in, but there was like a 6 month period back just prior to and after the last election where you couldn't stop hearing about this birth certificate fraud stuff. It was ALL OVER the news, constantly. Hardly a person the USA hasn't at least heard something about this, from major news networks down to local papers.


So....what are you talking about "no coverage" this subject has been talked to death. It was talked to death two years ago. It got plenty of coverage, hell there were cases brought to the Supreme Court on this issue....what more attention do you want than that?



This is like saying, “OMG! JFK was assassinated! Why isn’t the media covering this! Why are they lying to you and deliberately avoiding this big story?!”



The answer is simple….they did give it a lot of attention, it’s just old news now so they stopped talking about it. There are always going to be new conspiracy theories, conspiracy theories never die, we can’t dedicate an hour of the evening news to every new beating of a long-dead horse.

[linda_mary_13]

Well, look again, Hensrati, the White House, in response to the 2008 inquiry to whether a hospital "record of birth" qualified as a "birth certificate" PLACED a FORGED copy of a form that is being identified as Obama's birth certificate.

This debate is not over Obama's citizenship. IT IS about whether we the American people are so dumbed down as to accept forged documents coming from OUR White House as acceptable answers to our legitimate questions.

You obviously are okay with the corruption. Fine. I'm NOT. This is not a conspiracy theory now. This is a concrete piece of data that is proven to be a forgery.

I quess you're okay dedicating an hour of the evening news discussing Romney taking his dog on vacation in a kennel on top of his car AND Obama admitting he eats dog. BUT, proof of corruption within the White House just doesn't capture your attention.

[linda_mary_13]

Yarn, how effective is factcheck.org when the last information they have on this issue is 2008.The findings of the Cold Case Possee, with devastating findings, are recent, through a news conference where all the networks were present, and not one check on the facts released? Where is their "PANTS ON FIRE" response?

Factcheck.org is conveniently SILENT. I have posed the question to them today. Let's see what their response is.

[hensatri]

Well, look again, Hensrati, the White House, in response to the 2008 inquiry to whether a hospital "record of birth" qualified as a "birth certificate" PLACED a FORGED copy of a form that is being identified as Obama's birth certificate.

This debate is not over Obama's citizenship. IT IS about whether we the American people are so dumbed down as to accept forged documents coming from OUR White House as acceptable answers to our legitimate questions.

You obviously are okay with the corruption. Fine. I'm NOT. This is not a conspiracy theory now. This is a concrete piece of data that is proven to be a forgery.

I quess you're okay dedicating an hour of the evening news discussing Romney taking his dog on vacation in a kennel on top of his car AND Obama admitting he eats dog. BUT, proof of corruption within the White House just doesn't capture your attention.

Linda, whew, ok….let’s back up.

You were complaining that this story did not get enough media attention right? That was your complaint:

linda_mary_13 : “Why then, is this revelation not being discussed by the mainstream media”

As I said, this has gotten LOTS of media coverage. Hours upon hours upon hours of media discussion about Obama’s birth certificate being fake has already happened. This exact same discussion already went down years ago. It was all over the media, and the forged document was one piece of evidence brought to the level of the Supreme Court. Is that not enough media attention? How much more do you want?

And as far as this FORGERY, FACT checked by EXPERTS goes….you really need to cite a source. You just can’t start saying things are proven facts if you don’t give sources. On this thread I see other people citing sources, but I have yet to see you cite one.

Please cite a source.

[linda_mary_13]

The source is the news conference held by the Cold Case Possee, convened by Sherriff Arpaio (not sure of spelling), who despite some opinion, IS a representative of the United States law enforcment. This is activity that went beyond the initial "birther"discussion. This has NOT gone before the Supreme court.

The findings are that the long form birth certificate put out by the White House in response to the birther controversy is a forged document. This data was received and published by the news media. The issue I have is why isn't it news worthy in an election year, in light of all the controversy of corruption in government, that forged documents are being given to the public as acceptable documentation to prove the birth controversy.

Would you accept a forged document from Romney or Biden or a congressman or a future president, supreme court justice as proof of an inquiry we might have of them?
What if Romney provides forged tax returns to the public,is that okay? Would you expect the media to inform US that this has occurred so that we could make an informed decision before election?

This is not so much an issue with Obama as it is with the staff person who comitted such an act. Although, the buck stops with Obama.

Google on you tube Arpaio cold case possee and watch the news conference. That is the source. The news media saw the proof offered in the news conference and never followed up on the forgery aspect. Is this what you expect from the media? Forgery at the White House level and not one followup report? No wonder GSA felt no sense of quilt or wrong while wasting our HARD EARNED money. If the White House can forge documents why not party away the tax payer dollar. THEY KNOW, that NO ONE is watching the store!!!!!

[el ايمان]

why isn't it news worthy in an election year

Because most reasonable people have already dismissed it. It's a weak smear tactic against Obama by those who are convinced that he is a white-hating Muslim Kenyan-born left-wing radicalist socialist communist fascist anti-Christian terrorist.

[linda_mary_13]

The White House and the media (in the pocket of the White House/Progressive movement) is counting on the fact that this will slip by without notice since the media was successful calling the birthers crazy.

And, I quess it is working since no one seems to be aware of the latest findings and keeps shoving this off as old news.

Bottom line.......amidst all the silver spoon, dog hating, GSA Secret Service crap, we have a government that is breaking the laws they are sworn to uphold and believe me will see that they are enforced on you.

[linda_mary_13]

Because most reasonable people have already dismissed it. It's a weak smear tactic against Obama by those who are convinced that he is a white-hating Muslim Kenyan-born left-wing radicalist socialist communist fascist anti-Christian terrorist.

Reasonable people make up both sides of this issue. There are reasons to support the debate and reasons to let it go. Those reasons are irrelevant in a court of law.Your actions are placed up to the law and ignorance of the law, expecially by our constitutional lawyer, president is not excuse.

And your description of our president, as accurate as it is in many respects, is also irrelevant. He is what he is.

And those who worship Saturn are what they are......dust!

[hensatri]

Reasonable people make up both sides of this issue. There are reasons to support the debate and reasons to let it go. Those reasons are irrelevant in a court of law.Your actions are placed up to the law and ignorance of the law, expecially by our constitutional lawyer, president is not excuse.

And your description of our president, as accurate as it is in many respects, is also irrelevant. He is what he is.

And those who worship Saturn are what they are......dust!

The reason nobody cares is because these forgery claims have been brought up before, got attention, and we're dismissed. This is old news. So what, someone is just re-presenting the same ole forged document argument as was presented two years ago, do we have to keep rehashing this every single time someone brings it up with new conviction?

And maybe the news media saw the story, saw the same "proof" as you, and realized it was bunk that's not worth reporting on. Do you at least accept the possibility that your "experts" are wrong, biased, frauds, ect? I'm not saying that they are, but I'm saying it's possible, and experience has taught us that the birthers of the past were quacks, so there is a good chance these are too, especially since its a lot of the same people as last time, just with a slightly different spin on their story.


Should we open up an hour on MSNBC cause some new co sluracy theory on the Kennedy Assassination surfaces? That's just silly.