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castille · Jan 27, 2004, 11:04 am

In the US today, there is approximately 20 million small businesses.

In Australia, where the population is less than 20 million, there are over 1 million (small) businesses (check businessaccess.vic.gov.au).

That means out of every 10 people, 1 will be a business owner.

And out of every 10 people, 4 will be a shareholder of a major corporation.

74% of small businesses are run from home, with no employees. That means the boss does all the work (therefor the fear of having allnobody to do the work is invalid).

There you go: If you don't like to work for a [insert random leftist term here] boss, then start your own business.

If you dont like your labour being "stolen" by a boss, then take the risk and be a boss yourself.

Remember one thing. When you are working in that factory of yours (I assume everyone here is a factory worker, since they seem to know so much about the workers), remember: you didn't buy that machine. You didn't risk bankruptcy to open the business. Your boss did. And he's sweating over every dollar made and lost while you work.

suijurisfreeman · Jan 27, 2004, 11:51 am

I owned and operated my own business from 1974 until the fall of 2001. I worked for myself most of my adult life, now at 55 I don't have to do jack-shit unless I want to! I live a very simple life which helps to contribute to my success of living free.

Bayou · Jan 28, 2004, 03:19 am

Suiji, who owns or runs your business now?
Oh and your business owner to pop calculations are wrong, 1 out of 20 people are a business owner in Australia.
I dont know how you got the statistics for stock ownage, they could be correct.

Statistics change.
Especially when said country recently writes up a free trade agremment with the U.S......
Hope your govenrment has some socialist protections in place for your small businesses.

G. Adams · Jan 28, 2004, 10:38 am

Castille, the leftists on this board are not complaining about the lifestyles of those in the West, but that of the general population of the world. So statistics for just Australia or the USA is useless, give us statistics for small business's started world wide, how many of them fail in the first five years, how many people world wide own shares etc

<blockquote>Quote:<hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (castille,)

There you go: If you don't like to work for a [insert random leftist term here] boss, then start your own business.
<hr size="1" /></blockquote>

Grow up.

PeterAngelo · Jan 28, 2004, 11:41 am

I laughed the other day when one of the neocon talking heads said that the three million people layed off during the bushie years have started their own businesses ( raking leaves) - so they have really created three million jobs.

At least the people working odd jobs by themselves don't pay taxes - and therefore don't support the war machine.

I retired at forty five and live in a beach front condo with no mortgage. I own my car with no payments. I do not let credit card companies sucker me out of my money.

I have made millions under the table - and am proud to have done so.

The IRS and the fed criminals can you-know-what.

Prove it. A IRS agent told me they have an impossible time convicting any one because every juror hates them. Without a perfect paper trail they have no case. Stay away from bank accounts, credit cards, or any trace of your money.

My maintenance fee (includes cable and water), taxes, car insurance, food and reefer only cost me $125.00 per/week.

I can make that (if I needed to) in one day at my sons law office typing complaints and shooting the bull with him.

Life is great if you are smart enough to understand that you are a wage slave - or worse - if you believe in the crap you are taught by liars, criminals, and fools.

My grandparents, and parents were none of the above.

I was taught from birth that banks and the government were evil institutions to be feared and beaten at every opportunity.

Robin Hood, and the Sheriff of Nottingham are alive and well.

Ride brothers.

If you think that the Kennedy's, Rockefellers, or Bush's made their fortunes honestly, I have a bridge in Brooklyn for sale.

castille · Jan 29, 2004, 07:45 am

G Adams, if I actually spent my time researching the exact business ownership all over the world, I would be pretty sad. (Or a liberal)

However, I do know that all around the world, people are beginning to take control of their destinities. In China alone, business ownership have risen by over 400% since 1990.

Of course, a small minority derive a satisfaction from pulling down successful people. Its a bit like socialism; everyone has to be exactly the same, and nobody is allowed to suceed.

Sorry, but progress depends on rapid advancement. If people get left behind, its their own fault.

Catch 22 · Jan 29, 2004, 02:13 pm

castille- good for you that you looked up small business ownership albeit dubiously. However it doesn't somehow fix any of these facts.

http://www.inequality.org/factsfr.html

G. Adams · Jan 29, 2004, 02:18 pm

Progress is pointless if it's only available for a few.

And under socialism everyone is encouraged to suceed, because any success of individuals benefit everyone.

PeterAngelo · Jan 29, 2004, 04:55 pm

Technologically we have progressed enough for a while. Human behavior has not kept pace with that "progress".

What is wrong with maintaining a level, calm, deliberate lifestyle that uses technology to enhance life instead of controlling and destroying it?

Life on a farm would not be as punishing today as even fifty years ago with modern technology. In fact - it could be fun.

House repairs, haircuts, food, etc., are recurring commercial opportunities that can provide a living for a lifetime.

We do not all have to be - or want to be - super rich professionals or "stars".

Some of us (too many) have been brainwashed into thinking progress has to be fantastic growth, invention, and lust for the newest material wonder.

BULL.

That is what the Unibomber was trying to tell us in his manifesto. He has a valid point - albeit a perverted way of responding. We can live a simple, even old fashioned lifestyle without feeling like losers.

Socialism and communism have been given a diry name deliberately because the "capitalist" bankers want to control, enslave, and exploit workers with a false promise of freedom. It is only freedom to starve without a job if the bankers decide to can you.

The Soviet people were promised a job for life for building the infrastructure for the last 60 years as slaves. When the job was done the government decided it was out of business and everyone was on their own.

That is not really much different than "freeing" the slaves in America.

The landowners and bankers were freed from having to support slaves no matter what cotton was selling for, or how bad the crop was (weather, bugs, etc.).

Now Americans, Chinese, Japanese, and Russians are all wage slaves, and the multi-national corporations are the shadow government of all four nations.

We are the wage-slaves, and the way things are going - we may return to pure slaves.

Impenitent · Jan 29, 2004, 06:12 pm

<blockquote>Quote:<hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (G. Adams,)
Progress is pointless if it's only available for a few.

And under socialism everyone is encouraged to suceed, because any success of individuals benefit everyone.<hr size="1" /></blockquote>

bullshit

under socialism everyone is encouraged to sit on their ass because they don't have to work for survival

**Pooeypants** · Jan 29, 2004, 06:32 pm

<blockquote>Quote:<hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (Impenitent,)
<blockquote>Quote:<hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (G. Adams,)
Progress is pointless if it's only available for a few.

And under socialism everyone is encouraged to suceed, because any success of individuals benefit everyone.<hr size="1" /></blockquote>

bullshit

under socialism everyone is encouraged to sit on their ass because they don't have to work for survival<hr size="1" /></blockquote>
Do you have such a low opinion of human nature? Is everything for you driven by greed? By exploitation of others to gain your resources?

PeterAngelo · Jan 29, 2004, 08:07 pm

Pooeypants:

People who "have a low opinion" of humanity are revealing their own character.

Everyone believes that everyone feels the same way they do deep down inside.

Not true.

It is also a common trait for people to assume that other people have similar education, life experience, and reactions to things.

Not so.

When we realize that there are people who like evil - we will be able to deal with reality.

They always reveal themselves - watch them closely.

Patriot Act!!!!!

Impenitent · Jan 30, 2004, 01:48 am

<blockquote>Quote:<hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (Pooeypants,)

Do you have such a low opinion of human nature? Is everything for you driven by greed? By exploitation of others to gain your resources?<hr size="1" /></blockquote>

low opinion? not at all... humans are greedy selfish animals who exploit each other as all animals do...

nothing low about it, simply being honest...

Eulux · Jan 30, 2004, 02:50 am

<blockquote>Quote:<hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (Impenitent)
<blockquote>Quote:<hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (G. Adams,)
Progress is pointless if it's only available for a few.

And under socialism everyone is encouraged to suceed, because any success of individuals benefit everyone.<hr size="1" /></blockquote>

bullshit

under socialism everyone is encouraged to sit on their ass because they don't have to work for survival<hr size="1" /></blockquote>

bullshit. Your understanding of socialism equals my understanding of japanese; absolutely nothing. If socialism is to work, everyone has to work. It is a very strenuous(sp?) system, much more than capitalism. Many rich guys have gotten that way with simple exploitation and inheritance.

PeterAngelo · Jan 30, 2004, 06:08 am

Impenitent:

I am sorry to admit that I agree. We are nothing but animals - talking worms.

I complain for the sake of complaining. I don't believe anything will ever change. We will just find better technological ways to torture each other and kill.

A law firm I am affiliated with may bring down a local Chief Judge who has been part of a fifty year organized=crime gang running Pinellas County, FL.

I am doing what I can to KILL these criminals with their own weapon - the law.

It is puny in the big scheme of things - but it feels so good it is better than sex.

I understand human nature and the desire for revenge.

Love dies - hate grows.

Socialism? You may be right. If the majority of the human race are lazy, useless trash.

It seems that has been the case since day one or we would not be in this fix.

Either that or the human condition was caused by tyrants who have always killed the "Bravehearts". Only the idiot cowards have been allowed to breed. Those with intelligence and courage have been slaughtered. Only an odd one pops up now and then, but is immediately identified and slaughtered ( Jesus, Ghandi, King, etc.)

We have been artificially bred over the millenia into a herd of dumb wage-slaves.

I think I might be on to something.

Impenitent · Jan 30, 2004, 01:59 pm

<blockquote>Quote:<hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (Eulux,)
<blockquote>Quote:<hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (Impenitent)
<blockquote>Quote:<hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (G. Adams,)
Progress is pointless if it's only available for a few.

And under socialism everyone is encouraged to suceed, because any success of individuals benefit everyone.<hr size="1" /></blockquote>

bullshit

under socialism everyone is encouraged to sit on their ass because they don't have to work for survival<hr size="1" /></blockquote>

bullshit. Your understanding of socialism equals my understanding of japanese; absolutely nothing. If socialism is to work, everyone has to work. It is a very strenuous(sp?) system, much more than capitalism. Many rich guys have gotten that way with simple exploitation and inheritance.<hr size="1" /></blockquote>

would you work if you didn't have to work?
path of least resistance...

your understanding of human nature is laughable

castille · Jan 31, 2004, 11:10 am

If socialism is such a paradise, why hasn't it worked before?

Yes now the liberals will come up with 4 billion reasons why it didn't work....well, most of those reasons happen to be connected to human nature.

PeterAngelo · Jan 31, 2004, 04:53 pm

Socialism has never ben tried. It is the opposite of rule by war machine, terror, and manipulation by a few party members.

America should embrace socialism if the words of the Constitution mean anything to anybody.

Humans are animals that are bred, like all animals, to eat the weak, not share and help them grow strong.

It is unatural. We hate socialism because we naturally hate and fear each other - and that is gods way.

Eulux · Feb 4, 2004, 08:22 pm

Hmmm...if my understanding of human nature is laughable, then your's is deplorable. Would I work? Hell yeah I would. I almost got an opportunity to truely make an impact in a society, but it fell through...and I wouldn't have made one single penny. As for the path of least resistance, leave that to conductors and such, it isn't applicable in this circumstance...

As peter said, it has never been tried...but there are some aspects of it in other governments accross the world...in fact, we are behind in that area compared to other countries. It is true that any attempt at socialism right now would fail right now, but that isn't due to any fallacies in the system...it is due to our nature...we aren't ready. We should, however, strive for it.

Impenitent · Feb 5, 2004, 12:27 am

no, mine is honest... humans are greedy selfish bastards... path of least resistance is especially applicable in this instance... occam's razor as well

socialism not tried? move to the ussr

Jan 27, 2004, 11:04 am	#1 (permalink) (top)
castille Citizen #21521 Posts: 2,599	In the US today, there is approximately 20 million small businesses. In Australia, where the population is less than 20 million, there are over 1 million (small) businesses (check businessaccess.vic.gov.au). That means out of every 10 people, 1 will be a business owner. And out of every 10 people, 4 will be a shareholder of a major corporation. 74% of small businesses are run from home, with no employees. That means the boss does all the work (therefor the fear of having allnobody to do the work is invalid). There you go: If you don't like to work for a [insert random leftist term here] boss, then start your own business. If you dont like your labour being "stolen" by a boss, then take the risk and be a boss yourself. Remember one thing. When you are working in that factory of yours (I assume everyone here is a factory worker, since they seem to know so much about the workers), remember: you didn't buy that machine. You didn't risk bankruptcy to open the business. Your boss did. And he's sweating over every dollar made and lost while you work. Ideological loyalty is the act of giving your soul to a vague concept, to be manipulated by people smarter than you.

Jan 27, 2004, 11:51 am	#2 (permalink) (top)
suijurisfreeman Molten Ash Posts: 91	I owned and operated my own business from 1974 until the fall of 2001. I worked for myself most of my adult life, now at 55 I don't have to do jack-shit unless I want to! I live a very simple life which helps to contribute to my success of living free. I am a free Human Being and I have the right to ignore the State. I know my rights, I declare my rights, I exercise my rights and I damn well will defend my rights! Freedom is contagious, knowledge is the source of infection. Infect knowledge! Long live individualist-anarchism!

Jan 28, 2004, 03:19 am	#3 (permalink) (top)
Bayou Igneous Magma Location: Calgary Alberta Canada Posts: 154	Suiji, who owns or runs your business now? Oh and your business owner to pop calculations are wrong, 1 out of 20 people are a business owner in Australia. I dont know how you got the statistics for stock ownage, they could be correct. Statistics change. Especially when said country recently writes up a free trade agremment with the U.S...... Hope your govenrment has some socialist protections in place for your small businesses. <span style='font-size:16pt;line-height:100%'><span style='font-family:Impact'><span style='color:green'>Vote NDP "The independence of art for the revolution. "The revolution for the complete liberation of art!"</span></span></span>

Jan 28, 2004, 10:38 am	#4 (permalink) (top)
G. Adams Fyrdman Location: Middlesbrough UK Posts: 4,174	Castille, the leftists on this board are not complaining about the lifestyles of those in the West, but that of the general population of the world. So statistics for just Australia or the USA is useless, give us statistics for small business's started world wide, how many of them fail in the first five years, how many people world wide own shares etc </span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (castille,) There you go: If you don't like to work for a [insert random leftist term here] boss, then start your own business. <hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'> Grow up. Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery. Winston Churchill

Jan 29, 2004, 07:45 am	#6 (permalink) (top)
castille Citizen #21521 Posts: 2,599	G Adams, if I actually spent my time researching the exact business ownership all over the world, I would be pretty sad. (Or a liberal) However, I do know that all around the world, people are beginning to take control of their destinities. In China alone, business ownership have risen by over 400% since 1990. Of course, a small minority derive a satisfaction from pulling down successful people. Its a bit like socialism; everyone has to be exactly the same, and nobody is allowed to suceed. Sorry, but progress depends on rapid advancement. If people get left behind, its their own fault. Ideological loyalty is the act of giving your soul to a vague concept, to be manipulated by people smarter than you.

Jan 28, 2004, 11:41 am	#5 (permalink) (top)
PeterAngelo Igneous Magma Posts: 169	I laughed the other day when one of the neocon talking heads said that the three million people layed off during the bushie years have started their own businesses ( raking leaves) - so they have really created three million jobs. At least the people working odd jobs by themselves don't pay taxes - and therefore don't support the war machine. I retired at forty five and live in a beach front condo with no mortgage. I own my car with no payments. I do not let credit card companies sucker me out of my money. I have made millions under the table - and am proud to have done so. The IRS and the fed criminals can you-know-what. Prove it. A IRS agent told me they have an impossible time convicting any one because every juror hates them. Without a perfect paper trail they have no case. Stay away from bank accounts, credit cards, or any trace of your money. My maintenance fee (includes cable and water), taxes, car insurance, food and reefer only cost me $125.00 per/week. I can make that (if I needed to) in one day at my sons law office typing complaints and shooting the bull with him. Life is great if you are smart enough to understand that you are a wage slave - or worse - if you believe in the crap you are taught by liars, criminals, and fools. My grandparents, and parents were none of the above. I was taught from birth that banks and the government were evil institutions to be feared and beaten at every opportunity. Robin Hood, and the Sheriff of Nottingham are alive and well. Ride brothers. If you think that the Kennedy's, Rockefellers, or Bush's made their fortunes honestly, I have a bridge in Brooklyn for sale.

Jan 29, 2004, 02:13 pm	#7 (permalink) (top)
Catch 22 Igneous Magma Posts: 374	castille- good for you that you looked up small business ownership albeit dubiously. However it doesn't somehow fix any of these facts. http://www.inequality.org/factsfr.html When machines and computers, profit motives and property rights are considered more important than people, the giant triplets of racism, militarism and economic exploitation are incapable of being conquered Martin Luther King Jr.

Jan 29, 2004, 02:18 pm	#8 (permalink) (top)
G. Adams Fyrdman Location: Middlesbrough UK Posts: 4,174	Progress is pointless if it's only available for a few. And under socialism everyone is encouraged to suceed, because any success of individuals benefit everyone. Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery. Winston Churchill

Jan 29, 2004, 04:55 pm	#9 (permalink) (top)
PeterAngelo Igneous Magma Posts: 169	Technologically we have progressed enough for a while. Human behavior has not kept pace with that "progress". What is wrong with maintaining a level, calm, deliberate lifestyle that uses technology to enhance life instead of controlling and destroying it? Life on a farm would not be as punishing today as even fifty years ago with modern technology. In fact - it could be fun. House repairs, haircuts, food, etc., are recurring commercial opportunities that can provide a living for a lifetime. We do not all have to be - or want to be - super rich professionals or "stars". Some of us (too many) have been brainwashed into thinking progress has to be fantastic growth, invention, and lust for the newest material wonder. BULL. That is what the Unibomber was trying to tell us in his manifesto. He has a valid point - albeit a perverted way of responding. We can live a simple, even old fashioned lifestyle without feeling like losers. Socialism and communism have been given a diry name deliberately because the "capitalist" bankers want to control, enslave, and exploit workers with a false promise of freedom. It is only freedom to starve without a job if the bankers decide to can you. The Soviet people were promised a job for life for building the infrastructure for the last 60 years as slaves. When the job was done the government decided it was out of business and everyone was on their own. That is not really much different than "freeing" the slaves in America. The landowners and bankers were freed from having to support slaves no matter what cotton was selling for, or how bad the crop was (weather, bugs, etc.). Now Americans, Chinese, Japanese, and Russians are all wage slaves, and the multi-national corporations are the shadow government of all four nations. We are the wage-slaves, and the way things are going - we may return to pure slaves.

Jan 29, 2004, 06:12 pm	#10 (permalink) (top)
Impenitent Hot Lava Posts: 1,859	</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (G. Adams,) Progress is pointless if it's only available for a few. And under socialism everyone is encouraged to suceed, because any success of individuals benefit everyone.<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'> bullshit under socialism everyone is encouraged to sit on their ass because they don't have to work for survival "I really like this jacket, but the sleeves are much too long..." insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, but expecting different results...

Jan 29, 2004, 06:32 pm	#11 (permalink) (top)
Pooeypants Neo Moderator Location: England Posts: 5,609	</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (Impenitent,) </span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (G. Adams,) Progress is pointless if it's only available for a few. And under socialism everyone is encouraged to suceed, because any success of individuals benefit everyone.<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'> bullshit under socialism everyone is encouraged to sit on their ass because they don't have to work for survival<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'> Do you have such a low opinion of human nature? Is everything for you driven by greed? By exploitation of others to gain your resources? War is Peace Freedom is Slavery Ignorance is strength Harness the power of Ingsoc, then you can capture someone killed the year before

Jan 29, 2004, 08:07 pm	#12 (permalink) (top)
PeterAngelo Igneous Magma Posts: 169	Pooeypants: People who "have a low opinion" of humanity are revealing their own character. Everyone believes that everyone feels the same way they do deep down inside. Not true. It is also a common trait for people to assume that other people have similar education, life experience, and reactions to things. Not so. When we realize that there are people who like evil - we will be able to deal with reality. They always reveal themselves - watch them closely. Patriot Act!!!!!

Jan 30, 2004, 01:48 am	#13 (permalink) (top)
Impenitent Hot Lava Posts: 1,859	</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (Pooeypants,) Do you have such a low opinion of human nature? Is everything for you driven by greed? By exploitation of others to gain your resources?<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'> low opinion? not at all... humans are greedy selfish animals who exploit each other as all animals do... nothing low about it, simply being honest... "I really like this jacket, but the sleeves are much too long..." insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, but expecting different results...

Jan 30, 2004, 02:50 am	#14 (permalink) (top)
Eulux Molten Ash Location: houston Posts: 27	</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (Impenitent) </span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (G. Adams,) Progress is pointless if it's only available for a few. And under socialism everyone is encouraged to suceed, because any success of individuals benefit everyone.<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'> bullshit under socialism everyone is encouraged to sit on their ass because they don't have to work for survival<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'> bullshit. Your understanding of socialism equals my understanding of japanese; absolutely nothing. If socialism is to work, everyone has to work. It is a very strenuous(sp?) system, much more than capitalism. Many rich guys have gotten that way with simple exploitation and inheritance. "Man acts as though he were the shaper and master of language, while in fact language remains the master of man." -Heidegger www.rorta.com -knowledge is power...

Jan 30, 2004, 06:08 am	#15 (permalink) (top)
PeterAngelo Igneous Magma Posts: 169	Impenitent: I am sorry to admit that I agree. We are nothing but animals - talking worms. I complain for the sake of complaining. I don't believe anything will ever change. We will just find better technological ways to torture each other and kill. A law firm I am affiliated with may bring down a local Chief Judge who has been part of a fifty year organized=crime gang running Pinellas County, FL. I am doing what I can to KILL these criminals with their own weapon - the law. It is puny in the big scheme of things - but it feels so good it is better than sex. I understand human nature and the desire for revenge. Love dies - hate grows. Socialism? You may be right. If the majority of the human race are lazy, useless trash. It seems that has been the case since day one or we would not be in this fix. Either that or the human condition was caused by tyrants who have always killed the "Bravehearts". Only the idiot cowards have been allowed to breed. Those with intelligence and courage have been slaughtered. Only an odd one pops up now and then, but is immediately identified and slaughtered ( Jesus, Ghandi, King, etc.) We have been artificially bred over the millenia into a herd of dumb wage-slaves. I think I might be on to something.

Jan 30, 2004, 01:59 pm	#16 (permalink) (top)
Impenitent Hot Lava Posts: 1,859	</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (Eulux,) </span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (Impenitent) </span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (G. Adams,) Progress is pointless if it's only available for a few. And under socialism everyone is encouraged to suceed, because any success of individuals benefit everyone.<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'> bullshit under socialism everyone is encouraged to sit on their ass because they don't have to work for survival<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'> bullshit. Your understanding of socialism equals my understanding of japanese; absolutely nothing. If socialism is to work, everyone has to work. It is a very strenuous(sp?) system, much more than capitalism. Many rich guys have gotten that way with simple exploitation and inheritance.<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'> would you work if you didn't have to work? path of least resistance... your understanding of human nature is laughable "I really like this jacket, but the sleeves are much too long..." insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, but expecting different results...

Jan 31, 2004, 11:10 am	#17 (permalink) (top)
castille Citizen #21521 Posts: 2,599	If socialism is such a paradise, why hasn't it worked before? Yes now the liberals will come up with 4 billion reasons why it didn't work....well, most of those reasons happen to be connected to human nature. Ideological loyalty is the act of giving your soul to a vague concept, to be manipulated by people smarter than you.

Jan 31, 2004, 04:53 pm	#18 (permalink) (top)
PeterAngelo Igneous Magma Posts: 169	Socialism has never ben tried. It is the opposite of rule by war machine, terror, and manipulation by a few party members. America should embrace socialism if the words of the Constitution mean anything to anybody. Humans are animals that are bred, like all animals, to eat the weak, not share and help them grow strong. It is unatural. We hate socialism because we naturally hate and fear each other - and that is gods way.

Feb 4, 2004, 08:22 pm	#19 (permalink) (top)
Eulux Molten Ash Location: houston Posts: 27	Hmmm...if my understanding of human nature is laughable, then your's is deplorable. Would I work? Hell yeah I would. I almost got an opportunity to truely make an impact in a society, but it fell through...and I wouldn't have made one single penny. As for the path of least resistance, leave that to conductors and such, it isn't applicable in this circumstance... As peter said, it has never been tried...but there are some aspects of it in other governments accross the world...in fact, we are behind in that area compared to other countries. It is true that any attempt at socialism right now would fail right now, but that isn't due to any fallacies in the system...it is due to our nature...we aren't ready. We should, however, strive for it. "Man acts as though he were the shaper and master of language, while in fact language remains the master of man." -Heidegger www.rorta.com -knowledge is power...

Feb 5, 2004, 12:27 am	#20 (permalink) (top)
Impenitent Hot Lava Posts: 1,859	no, mine is honest... humans are greedy selfish bastards... path of least resistance is especially applicable in this instance... occam's razor as well socialism not tried? move to the ussr "I really like this jacket, but the sleeves are much too long..." insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, but expecting different results...