Worker Ownership For the 21st Century?

[Dieval]

Prove it. Links and quotes please. Otherwise what you are saying is complete and utter fabrication.

Prove what? That people are responsible for themselves?

[Dodds]

Prove what? That people are responsible for themselves?

Yes. Prove that people are responsible for who their parents are. While you are at it show a link that disproves that social mobility is low in America. Unless you can back up any of your assertions then they shall be treated as mindless claptrap.

[Dieval]

Yes. Prove that people are responsible for who their parents are.

I never said they're responsible for who their parents are. I said their responsible for themselves and there there life goes. No one is responsible for who their parents are...don't be silly.

While you are at it show a link that disproves that social mobility is low in America.

See what happens when you push the entitlement society? People forget how to fend for themselves.

Unless you can back up any of your assertions then they shall be treated as mindless claptrap.

The only "mindless claptrap" is the point you're trying to make. Sorry.

[The]

Union owned corporations...... uhhh...... that is stupid. Employee ownership works as follows.... I work for BNSF Railway... I buy shares of Berkshire .... I own a portion of the company that I work for. My Union is the UTU... I do not own stock in the UTU... it is not a public owned company. If the UTU owned BNSF then I would own nothing... since the UTU is not a public owned company... it is a union. So WTF is the point of this semantically decieving bullsh*#?

[Dodds]

In other words you cant. Once more when the typical right winger is asked to back up his or her position, they tuck tail and run. You cannot prove any of your assertions. You ignore the link between a persons parents income and their chances in life. All in order to what? Cry about personal responsibility? Awesome argument. You total changed my mind. Hats off to you sir.(in case you cant tell thats sarcasm)

And just to let you know the USA has one of the least generous social safety nets in the developed world. Seems the entitlement argument fails also. But keep believing in the crap you post. Its entertaining at least. It is good to know that ignorance knows no bounds.

[Dieval]

In other words you cant. Once more when the typical right winger is asked to back up his or her position, they tuck tail and run. You cannot prove any of your assertions. You ignore the link between a persons parents income and their chances in life. All in order to what? Cry about personal responsibility? Awesome argument. You total changed my mind. Hats off to you sir.(in case you cant tell thats sarcasm)

"In other words" you didn't understand my point and took it to a different and unintended level. I never made the assertion you claimed.

[The]

Prove what? That people are responsible for themselves?

Yes. Prove that people are responsible for who their parents are. While you are at it show a link that disproves that social mobility is low in America. Unless you can back up any of your assertions then they shall be treated as mindless claptrap.

Sir you have left logic aside and let feelings rule over you... tsk tsk. People are responsible for themselves. Maybe if people were not brought up expecting others to lend a tit... then the parents of these poor folks would have provided for themselves. And if they didn't... what difference does it make.. are you bound by the umbilical cord?

[Dodds]

This is nothing more than a ploy to avoid personal responsibility.

Quote by: Dieval
Unless you're completely helpless then personal responsibility is still applicable.

It seems you did.

Once more I ask you to back up your assertions. You wont of course. No surprise.

[Dieval]

It seems you did.

Once more I ask you to back up your assertions. You wont of course. No surprise.

There's nothing to prove. You're responsible for yourself and your actions. Period. End of story.

[The]

Dodds you are surely not this.... well... :(

[Dodds]

Prove what? That people are responsible for themselves?

Yes. Prove that people are responsible for who their parents are. While you are at it show a link that disproves that social mobility is low in America. Unless you can back up any of your assertions then they shall be treated as mindless claptrap.

Sir you have left logic aside and let feelings rule over you... tsk tsk. People are responsible for themselves. Maybe if people were not brought up expecting others to lend a tit... then the parents of these poor folks would have provided for themselves. And if they didn't... what difference does it make.. are you bound by the umbilical cord?

Well this should be fun. Ok the USA has one of the least generous social welfare programs in the developed world. (I can prove this) yet has one of the lowest rates of social mobility in the developed world too. (I can prove this too) Seems your arguments don't stand up to the facts. Not very logical.

[Dodds]

There's nothing to prove. You're responsible for yourself and your actions. Period. End of story.

Wow I am blown away by this convincing, well thought out and flawless argument. (thats sarcasm too)

In other words you cant back up any of your positions. End of, full stop.