I don't know why he keeps pushing capital. During the time of Adam and Eve there was no such thing as money and everyone was living in a utopian society.Quote by: Dan74
I don't know why he keeps pushing capital. During the time of Adam and Eve there was no such thing as money and everyone was living in a utopian society.
Yes, and we've seen how wonderfuly that ended. Suffice to say, they don't anymore.
The issue isn't necessarily 'fucking around', rather it is the issue of intellectual maturation, substandard teaching, high classes sizes and undiagnosed learning difficulties.
So your notion of 'personal responsibility' is in fact living off charity of others. I see. Well, funnily enough, not everybody is in the position to enjoy such generosity. I note you also suggested that these people could take advantage of grants - well, where do you suppose the money for that comes from? It comes from the universities, who set a little money aside and from the State coffers. So really, you clearly don't actually believe the horse shit you are trying to shovel here about 'personal responsibility', and instead are advocating joint responsbility - on three different levels, no less, including the level of the family/education establishments/the state - in increasing adult education.
So, your next solution to progressing beyond the minimum wage is, in fact, living on the minimum wage - doing back breaking labour for, say, 50 hours a week for about a decade, trying to save up the money to pay tuition fees. Do you genuinely believe that this is a practical to achieving greater social mobility? I think we have the full flavour of your contradictory notion of common sense. I do, however, partially agree with you. I would suggest that a better system would be the complete state funding of adult education.
Yes, because you manifestly do not comprehend the subject upon which you are labouring.
I worked in a university department offering programmes with the aim of widening participation and making the university more socially inclusive. Thus I understand the problems, policies, and moreover, lack of serious funding that hinders progress.
They are, the problem however, for mature students wishing to return to education, is that the vast bulk of work and funding typically dedicated to widening access is spent on encouraging teenagers - not wouldbe mature students.
I guess impersonal discussion is challenging for you. I don't insult you as an individual, why do you not extend the same, as it happens rule mandated, curtesy?
And, actually, I didn't get fired. Rather I moved sideways. I left the position because I prioritised the writing of my PhD thesis and because I had the opportunity to gain more teaching experience.
Society may be formed so as to exist without crime, without poverty, […] no obstacle whatsoever intervenes at this moment except ignorance to prevent such a state of society.
Robert Owen
Not to mention the almost standard low SAT scores for low-income students.The issue isn't necessarily 'fucking around', rather it is the issue of intellectual maturation, substandard teaching, high classes sizes and undiagnosed learning difficulties.
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Last edited by Dan74; 24th May 2012 at 05:01 PM. Reason: double post
Cared for and watched over by God?
And just who is God in your scenario
The tree of liberty is hungry. Let's feed it well in the next election.
And without capital, how do you obtain the required materials, land, employees to start a business?
Remember, thread deals with the 21st Century. Thus you cannot magically institute a new economy without dealing with the existing one
The tree of liberty is hungry. Let's feed it well in the next election.
You are right. I forgot God is dead. Money has replaced God.
So your original statement was designed to add no value to the conversation?
The tree of liberty is hungry. Let's feed it well in the next election.
No. I was pointing to a perfect time and period when everything was great without capital. Then you corrected me. Thank you.
I see the return of the situation you describe. It follows the second coming of Christ. Hope to see you there.
You are welcome
The tree of liberty is hungry. Let's feed it well in the next election.
Socialism deals with production for use, not for profit. Within socialism the criteria for productions is economic demands and human needs. The production of socialism directly serves individual and social needs. It eliminates the middle man which is money. Under a socialist economy goods and services are produced with no aim for profit directly, but to free contribution. An example is open source software.
Do you know what capital means? There are all sorts of capital: human capital, natural capital, working capital, social capital l and so on. All the previous would still exist in a socialist economy. Capital is not limited to money.
That is the theory.
And yes, capital comes in many forms.
So let's apply the capital. One person has some seed to grow food. Another has control of arable land. Another has skills for farming. Another can build the necessary equipment to plow the fields, and dozens more are excellent laborers, especially at harvest.
What do they all eat while they wait for the harvest? How do they provide shelter and amenities? What level of sophistication of society do you plan on achieving and maintaining? Will there be electrical power to each dwelling?
Before we can actually discuss the efficacy of one economic structure to provide, we need to identify what is to be provided
The tree of liberty is hungry. Let's feed it well in the next election.
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