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Mr.Vicchio · Feb 10, 2005, 06:20 pm

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WASHINGTON (AP) - The Senate approved a measure to help shield businesses from major class action lawsuits on Thursday, giving President Bush the first legislative victory of his second term.

Under the legislation, long sought by big business, large multistate class action lawsuits like the ones that have been brought against tobacco companies could no longer be heard in small state courts. Such courts have handed out multimillion-dollar verdicts.

Instead, the cases would be heard by federal judges, who have not proven as open to those type of lawsuits.

The Senate passed the bill 72-26. The House is expected to take it up next week and send it to President Bush for his signature.

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20050210/D885SUU01.html

What wonderful news. A first REAL step in stopping jackpot seeking crooked lawyers, and hurting the rest of us in the process!

I am almsot, ALMOST giddy over this.

Lets see if it makes it into law first. (I can almost bet there will be a legal challenge to this by the lawyers).

bishop · Feb 10, 2005, 06:23 pm

this one will easily pass. society has been asking for some sort of tort reform for a long time now.

ericsp23 · Feb 10, 2005, 06:24 pm

Members of both parties supported this legislation, so I don't know if it is really accurate to say it is a victory for Bush and the Republicans.

Mr.Vicchio · Feb 10, 2005, 06:25 pm

8 Dem senators helped sponsor the bill, there was no way to stop it. BUT, it's still just a first step, but a good one :)

Mr.Vicchio · Feb 10, 2005, 06:26 pm

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Members of both parties supported this legislation, so I don't know if it is really accurate to say it is a victory for Bush and the Republicans.

Bush has been psuhing for such for the last 6 years.

He finally got it. That's one of the perks of the White House. You push for something, you get credit when it happens.

Lou Minotti · Feb 10, 2005, 06:35 pm

If I got sued as many times as the Bush family, I would think this was a great idea too. I'm sure he has the best interests of all Americans in mind (As usual. Bush is certainly no silver spoon liberal parading as a so-called conservative...gun bans and open borders are all part of the evolved, Republican platform, didn't you get the memo?) Bush hasn't been pushing anything. The criminals hiding under his skirt are the ones pushing it. Hey Mr. Vicchio....why did Dudya block Dan Burton's investigation into Pardongate? Do you think the allegations against Mark Rich were "frivolous"?

Mr.Vicchio · Feb 10, 2005, 07:08 pm

Can you please list the lawsuits against the Bush Family proper?

Perhaps your alligations might have something close to being understable if I understood your point of reference. If in fact it is based in reality.

gr8fuldaniel · Feb 10, 2005, 07:10 pm

Hooray for the mega corporations who wont have to be accountable for their malpractice and pollution and poisoning of the many for the profit of the few. Hooray!

ericsp23 · Feb 10, 2005, 07:25 pm

I find it curious that you claim this as a victory for Bush rather than as a victory for America in general.
I guess that shows where your loyalties really are.

Mr.Vicchio · Feb 10, 2005, 10:58 pm

Ooooh, Eric, really deep.

Has it MAYBE entered you noggin that perhaps on MOST issues I feel Bush and the GOP ARE doing what's best for the country?

Damn, shows where you sit, "bash anything Bush, anyone backing Bush.. attack"

Nice.

Gr8, I know you hate Corperations, even though, because of them you live the good life. But I didn't knwo you were for the ripping off of the litte guy by Lawyers.

Zeebadee · Feb 10, 2005, 11:57 pm

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Quote by: Mr.Vicchio

You push for something, you get credit when it happens.

Yeah, let's give him credit also for:

1. A war based on fictitious WMD's

2. Abu Ghraib

3. Another amnesty program for illegal aliens

4. A multi-trillion dollar national debt

5. The continuing erosion of Constitutional rights

6. The on-going practice of off-shoring jobs

7. The declining standards of a clean environment

ericsp23 · Feb 11, 2005, 12:27 am

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Has it MAYBE entered you noggin that perhaps on MOST issues I feel Bush and the GOP ARE doing what's best for the country?

Then why not talk abouit how this legislation is what is best for the country instead of using at as an opportunity for more divisive, partisan rhetoric.

And I haven't bashed Bush on this particular issue, I was just questioning your motives for starting this thread. Honestly, I haven't really been following this in the news so I don't know any specifics of what the legislation entails, but I do think that some kind of tort reform is necessary. I'm not necessarily against this particular part of Bush's agenda.

leftcider · Feb 11, 2005, 12:50 am

"Make sure when companies are called on the carpet, when they are involved in a class action litigation, they're in a court, in a courthouse with a judge where the companies have a fair shake, where the odds, the decks aren't stacked against them" (D-Delaware)

Wow, those poor victimized corporations :rolleyes: can finally begin the healing process.

The whole issue of "tort reform" has been well used politically by the republicans to scapegoat some major problems in our economic system. Health care costs rising quickly? It must be the lawyers fault, even though litigation costs account for less than 1% of health costs. Tort reform takes the real issues about problems consumers are facing and empowers corporations towards less accountability. Politically brilliant.

Lawsuits are the best way to make corporations accountable for their actions. State level lawsuits are what forced tobacco companies to stop targetting youths and making a serious effort to educate the public about what their product does. It forced them to finally admit the dangers of smoking. Maybe the system needs some tweaking, but this is going damn far in weakening a major protection we have from companies. It will not benefit the vast majority of us, I don't see why supporters of this are getting so excited.

Scribbler1 · Feb 11, 2005, 01:03 am

Who is (D-Delaware) ?

Mr.Vicchio · Feb 11, 2005, 10:58 am

Lawsuits line the pockets of lawyers, hurt consumers and cost jobs.

Yes, really helping to protect consumers. This legislation will nto stop lawsuits, it will stop frivilous lawsuits and set the bar of proof where it belongs, high.

kingjust · Feb 11, 2005, 11:07 am

Let's just hope that if anyone of your family members get hurt or even yourself and the medical costs are outrageous, and it's the fault of the other party, I don't think 250000 dollars will cover much. If i'm not mistaken, that is the cap they want to put. So if my daughter is killed by a UPS driver, because he was high off of something, I will only get 250k for her death. I know my daughter is priceless but god damnit, I should have some type of compensation. Now the bitch who was stupid enough to spill hot coffee on her got away with highway robbery. See, stupid people like that shouldn't get shit. If you didn't use commen sense or a little logic, tuff titty!! A provision that they need to make on certain suits that I just described, once the food leaves the counter, the workers nor the business is liable, not unless an employee through some shit at you. IMO

leftcider · Feb 12, 2005, 04:47 am

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Quote by: Scribbler1

Who is (D-Delaware) ?

D-Delaware is Sen. Tom Carper.

leftcider · Feb 12, 2005, 04:53 am

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Now the bitch who was stupid enough to spill hot coffee on her got away with highway robbery. See, stupid people like that shouldn't get shit. If you didn't use commen sense or a little logic, tuff titty!! A provision that they need to make on certain suits that I just described, once the food leaves the counter, the workers nor the business is liable, not unless an employee through some shit at you. IMO

Ah, the famous McDonalds case. It has been spun as a massive propaganda victory for those advocating judicial reform. It is widely mentioned but rarely are the full facts of the case correctly considered. Read them here:
http://www.lectlaw.com/files/cur78.htm

After reading the case, I am much more convinced of this woman's argument.

Mr.Vicchio · Feb 12, 2005, 10:50 am

You are easily swayed if you felt that McD's somehow was responsible for "hot" coffee. I dunno about you, but when I purchase coffee, it best be hot damn it. Now you're lucky if its still warm ten minutes down the road.

Consumers, will not be left "protectionless" by this legislation. Speaking of overblown and spun, every time there is attempted tort reform, we hear about how corperations are going to be free to screw over the little guy who now has no recrouse, "it's buyer beware all over again in America because of this!"

If my family member is injured by a product, whose fault is it? Why is it assumed immediatly that the product was faulty, and not the manner it was being used, check out the wacky warning label awards to kinda see what I am talking about.

When I was at sea a few years back, my Chief got an email from his wife, she had slipped and fallen in the local walmart parking lot and had to be taken to the hospital for bruises and her hip.

Do you know what his very first question was? "How much can we get? 100 or 200k? What'd the lawyer say?" Not, hey hun how are you, or hey hun I miss you.....

They never sued because she didn't believe in stupid lawsuits, which this would have been. She tripped on a crack in the pavement, and fell.

Scribbler1 · Feb 12, 2005, 11:27 am

Since the government is infested with lawyers, the only "tort reform" you're likely to see if that which doesn't lay a finger on the lawyers but penalizes the people they represent. Considering most of the tegislators are lawyers themselves, this is just another example of an indistry supposedly "policing itself" and I for one don't trust them.

Feb 10, 2005, 06:24 pm	#3 (permalink) (top)
ericsp23 Pragmatic liberal Posts: 421	Members of both parties supported this legislation, so I don't know if it is really accurate to say it is a victory for Bush and the Republicans. Economic Left/Right -5.38 Social Libertarian/Authoritarion -4.41

Feb 10, 2005, 06:25 pm	#4 (permalink) (top)
Mr.Vicchio Navy Veteran Location: Texas Posts: 6,335	8 Dem senators helped sponsor the bill, there was no way to stop it. BUT, it's still just a first step, but a good one :) Einstein's "Theory of Relativity" is still being challenged to this day, but by consensus Global Warming is a fact... that's REAL science at work, why didn't Albert just go that route?

Feb 10, 2005, 07:08 pm	#7 (permalink) (top)
Mr.Vicchio Navy Veteran Location: Texas Posts: 6,335	Can you please list the lawsuits against the Bush Family proper? Perhaps your alligations might have something close to being understable if I understood your point of reference. If in fact it is based in reality. Einstein's "Theory of Relativity" is still being challenged to this day, but by consensus Global Warming is a fact... that's REAL science at work, why didn't Albert just go that route?

Feb 10, 2005, 07:10 pm	#8 (permalink) (top)
gr8fuldaniel Fire the Liars Location: California Posts: 7,090	Hooray for the mega corporations who wont have to be accountable for their malpractice and pollution and poisoning of the many for the profit of the few. Hooray! ~~ Helpful Linx * Huff Post * WRH * RAW STORY ~~

Feb 10, 2005, 07:25 pm	#9 (permalink) (top)
ericsp23 Pragmatic liberal Posts: 421	I find it curious that you claim this as a victory for Bush rather than as a victory for America in general. I guess that shows where your loyalties really are. Economic Left/Right -5.38 Social Libertarian/Authoritarion -4.41

Feb 10, 2005, 06:23 pm	#2 (permalink) (top)
bishop moderat-e/o-r Location: boston Posts: 11,184	this one will easily pass. society has been asking for some sort of tort reform for a long time now.

Feb 10, 2005, 06:35 pm	#6 (permalink) (top)
Lou Minotti BANNED (Multiple usernames after another ban) Posts: 1,337	If I got sued as many times as the Bush family, I would think this was a great idea too. I'm sure he has the best interests of all Americans in mind (As usual. Bush is certainly no silver spoon liberal parading as a so-called conservative...gun bans and open borders are all part of the evolved, Republican platform, didn't you get the memo?) Bush hasn't been pushing anything. The criminals hiding under his skirt are the ones pushing it. Hey Mr. Vicchio....why did Dudya block Dan Burton's investigation into Pardongate? Do you think the allegations against Mark Rich were "frivolous"?

Feb 10, 2005, 10:58 pm	#10 (permalink) (top)
Mr.Vicchio Navy Veteran Location: Texas Posts: 6,335	Ooooh, Eric, really deep. Has it MAYBE entered you noggin that perhaps on MOST issues I feel Bush and the GOP ARE doing what's best for the country? Damn, shows where you sit, "bash anything Bush, anyone backing Bush.. attack" Nice. Gr8, I know you hate Corperations, even though, because of them you live the good life. But I didn't knwo you were for the ripping off of the litte guy by Lawyers. Einstein's "Theory of Relativity" is still being challenged to this day, but by consensus Global Warming is a fact... that's REAL science at work, why didn't Albert just go that route?

Feb 11, 2005, 12:50 am	#13 (permalink) (top)
leftcider Lord Teh Location: Seattlul, WA Posts: 486	"Make sure when companies are called on the carpet, when they are involved in a class action litigation, they're in a court, in a courthouse with a judge where the companies have a fair shake, where the odds, the decks aren't stacked against them" (D-Delaware) Wow, those poor victimized corporations :rolleyes: can finally begin the healing process. The whole issue of "tort reform" has been well used politically by the republicans to scapegoat some major problems in our economic system. Health care costs rising quickly? It must be the lawyers fault, even though litigation costs account for less than 1% of health costs. Tort reform takes the real issues about problems consumers are facing and empowers corporations towards less accountability. Politically brilliant. Lawsuits are the best way to make corporations accountable for their actions. State level lawsuits are what forced tobacco companies to stop targetting youths and making a serious effort to educate the public about what their product does. It forced them to finally admit the dangers of smoking. Maybe the system needs some tweaking, but this is going damn far in weakening a major protection we have from companies. It will not benefit the vast majority of us, I don't see why supporters of this are getting so excited.

Feb 11, 2005, 01:03 am	#14 (permalink) (top)
Scribbler1 Skeptical Patriot Posts: 7,836	Who is (D-Delaware) ?

Feb 11, 2005, 10:58 am	#15 (permalink) (top)
Mr.Vicchio Navy Veteran Location: Texas Posts: 6,335	Lawsuits line the pockets of lawyers, hurt consumers and cost jobs. Yes, really helping to protect consumers. This legislation will nto stop lawsuits, it will stop frivilous lawsuits and set the bar of proof where it belongs, high. Einstein's "Theory of Relativity" is still being challenged to this day, but by consensus Global Warming is a fact... that's REAL science at work, why didn't Albert just go that route?

Feb 11, 2005, 11:07 am	#16 (permalink) (top)
kingjust Igneous Magma Posts: 347	Let's just hope that if anyone of your family members get hurt or even yourself and the medical costs are outrageous, and it's the fault of the other party, I don't think 250000 dollars will cover much. If i'm not mistaken, that is the cap they want to put. So if my daughter is killed by a UPS driver, because he was high off of something, I will only get 250k for her death. I know my daughter is priceless but god damnit, I should have some type of compensation. Now the bitch who was stupid enough to spill hot coffee on her got away with highway robbery. See, stupid people like that shouldn't get shit. If you didn't use commen sense or a little logic, tuff titty!! A provision that they need to make on certain suits that I just described, once the food leaves the counter, the workers nor the business is liable, not unless an employee through some shit at you. IMO

Feb 12, 2005, 10:50 am	#19 (permalink) (top)
Mr.Vicchio Navy Veteran Location: Texas Posts: 6,335	You are easily swayed if you felt that McD's somehow was responsible for "hot" coffee. I dunno about you, but when I purchase coffee, it best be hot damn it. Now you're lucky if its still warm ten minutes down the road. Consumers, will not be left "protectionless" by this legislation. Speaking of overblown and spun, every time there is attempted tort reform, we hear about how corperations are going to be free to screw over the little guy who now has no recrouse, "it's buyer beware all over again in America because of this!" If my family member is injured by a product, whose fault is it? Why is it assumed immediatly that the product was faulty, and not the manner it was being used, check out the wacky warning label awards to kinda see what I am talking about. When I was at sea a few years back, my Chief got an email from his wife, she had slipped and fallen in the local walmart parking lot and had to be taken to the hospital for bruises and her hip. Do you know what his very first question was? "How much can we get? 100 or 200k? What'd the lawyer say?" Not, hey hun how are you, or hey hun I miss you..... They never sued because she didn't believe in stupid lawsuits, which this would have been. She tripped on a crack in the pavement, and fell. Einstein's "Theory of Relativity" is still being challenged to this day, but by consensus Global Warming is a fact... that's REAL science at work, why didn't Albert just go that route?

Feb 12, 2005, 11:27 am	#20 (permalink) (top)
Scribbler1 Skeptical Patriot Posts: 7,836	Since the government is infested with lawyers, the only "tort reform" you're likely to see if that which doesn't lay a finger on the lawyers but penalizes the people they represent. Considering most of the tegislators are lawyers themselves, this is just another example of an indistry supposedly "policing itself" and I for one don't trust them.