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**Chris the Chees** · Feb 8, 2005, 10:00 am

Well, I just seen a desk placed in my halls of residence placed for the rather tedious/laborious task of filling in my registration form, giving me the right to vote.

A rather pointless affair, considering that New Labour are going to win, like it or not. The parties I would like too see win, have absolutely no hope.

Which begs the question, who should I vote for?

A. Should I go with my heart, and vote for a bunch of no hopers?

B(1). Should I vote tactically (forgoing all moral principals) and attempt to elect the conservative party, a group of sycophantic wankers (do forgive me this transgression), in a desperate bid to oust Tony Blair, a liar of the first degree, or at least reduce his monopoly of backbenchers in parliament.

B(2). Should I vote tactically and attempt to elect the Liberal Democrats, a group of sickeningly centralist pliticians who are the only party who are even remotely near the left.

C. Should I take the path of apathy and not vote? Doing this will further guarantee the collapse of democracy in the UK, where parties can be elected by a tiny portion of the population, who aren't totally disgusted by the filth we see standing for election.

D. Should I display my distaste and vote for the Monster Raving Loony party (if they are even still going)?

E. Should I vote for Plaid Cymru, in an attempt to get more money for the Welsh assembly, and promote a language I don't even speak?

Shocking as it may sound, I think I'm going to go for E.

Samildanach · Feb 8, 2005, 10:05 am

I am going for the tactical vote, Lib dems. Blairs support for the war put me right off labour.
Tories are no hopers with no viable leadership. I am going to give the lib dems a chance to see what they can do, after all they havent had one yet.

Scribbler1 · Feb 8, 2005, 10:07 am

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D. Should I display my distaste and vote for the Monster Raving Loony party (if they are even still going)?

Does that have anything to do with Lord Such? I have a vague, distant memory of him and a political party which sounded a lot like that.
He's also dead too, I believe.

**Chris the Chees** · Feb 8, 2005, 10:08 am

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Does that have anything to do with Lord Such? I have a vague, distant memory of him and a political party which sounded a lot like that.
He's also dead too, I believe.

Indeed, and your right he is dead.

**Matt W** · Feb 8, 2005, 10:09 am

Lib Dems. That way, if they gain more seats than the Conservatives, you gain solace in actually knowing there's a genuine clash of ideas at the top, rather than posturing over how far right you can go and still remain 'central'.

**Pooeypants** · Feb 8, 2005, 10:13 am

Yes, Lib dems are the way forward. I've been helping out on delivery of newsletter and leaflets to help us gain a seat in Leeds NorthWest.

Nono · Feb 8, 2005, 10:14 am

C the C, is there nobody you'd truly support, no matter what their electoral chances? It doesn't sound like it.

One reason to vote against Labour is that nobody doubts they'll win, so you don't have to fear changing the result, but by increasing the anti-Labour vote you'll discourage Tony from succumbing to temptation and trying to hang on, while reminding New Labour that not everybody is with the Blairite programme.

Both voting Monster Raving Loony and abstention are grist to the NL mill.

**Chris the Chees** · Feb 8, 2005, 10:20 am

C the C, is there nobody you'd truly support, no matter what their electoral chances? It doesn't sound like it.

See A, unfortunately, "Respect", aren't standing in my constituency.

As for the rest of them, what’s the difference between one bunch of lying politicians standing for a slightly off centre ideology, and another? I'll tell you, nothing.

I may as well not vote, for all the difference it will make, even if by some miracle labour doesn’t get in power. They are all exactly the same.

Oh and I forgot to mention Green, I seriously may consider voting Green.

**Matt W** · Feb 8, 2005, 10:22 am

*sigh*

People had that same attitude during the Tories, Chris - how else do you think John Major got re-elected? Vote. It makes a difference. It always does.

**Chris the Chees** · Feb 8, 2005, 10:25 am

People had that same attitude during the Tories, Chris - how else do you think John Major got re-elected? Vote. It makes a difference. It always does.

----

Look who we got instead of the tories, when people did vote? Bloody Blair, who turned out to be exacly the same as what we ousted.

So much for inspired change.

I probably will vote, I like Welsh, even though I don't speak it.

G. Adams · Feb 8, 2005, 10:31 am

Argh, I hate Respect, god damned SWP vehicle and prop for Galloway, when everyone should have been working to keep the Socialist Alliance alive. Respect may not be as diluted as Labour or the Lib Dem's, but they are hardly socialist. The fact that Galloway came out publicly as anti-abortion yet the party would not release a statement declaring those views to be his and not the party's demonstates how it's just pandering to MAB.

Chris, I urge you to vote Lib Dem. If by some beautiful moment of genius the majority of the British public does the same and we get Lib Dem's, even if they don't do much brilliant for the country, they will at least introduce proportional representation, and then your vote for alternative parties will really start to count.

Think of it this way, how many people do you know that like Blair and are actually gonna vote Labour? I don't know a single one, and I'm from Middlesbrough, as Labour heartlandish as you can get. So why should everyone assume Labour will get in? And even if they do, the more Lib Dem support that is shown the more Labour will see that going further to the right is not what the country wants.

**Matt W** · Feb 8, 2005, 10:33 am

*laughs*

You are but young, sir. Trust me, Blair's in no way the same. He's more slimy and insiduous, I grant you, but he's in no way comparable to the horrors of the Tories in their later years.

G. Adams · Feb 8, 2005, 10:45 am

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*laughs*

You are but young, sir. Trust me, Blair's in no way the same. He's more slimy and insiduous, I grant you, but he's in no way comparable to the horrors of the Tories in their later years.

Amen to that. Jonathen Aitkin, anyone? John Gummer trying to feed his daughter a burger during the BSE crisis as a political stunt? There is no excuse, we cannot let the Tories in. If you think Tony Blair's arse kissing of Bush and following him by the nose into illegal wars is bad wait till you see the Tories do it.

Samildanach · Feb 8, 2005, 10:57 am

Well most of the people I know are voting lib dem generally because they are pissed off at Blair following Bush into the war against their wishes. I actually give Lib dems a 30% chance of taking the election.

**Matt W** · Feb 8, 2005, 11:20 am

Indeed. If a general election had been held just pre-war, Tony would've struggled mightily. I was in NZ at the time, but my folks kept me informed. As it is, the Lib Dems are about the only remotely left-wing mainstream party left.

**Chris the Chees** · Feb 8, 2005, 12:08 pm

Sorry, but I am forced to disagree. Comparison between Thatcherism and new labour policy, especially on industrial actions and foreign policy in particular, are near identical.

Unfortunatly, I dont have the right to be called "sir", I am a humble student not a peer of the realm.

**Matt W** · Feb 8, 2005, 01:11 pm

Maybe so, Chris, but the atmosphere is completely different. Trust me on this.

G. Adams · Feb 8, 2005, 06:32 pm

Well for a start Thatcher was no lap dog of the US. When she felt the US was out of line she made it known, as it was during the US invasion of Panama.

Economically, are you forgetting the minimum wage? I am glad that Labour got in, if they hadn't my wage as a barman would be much less than £4.70.

blibbka · Feb 9, 2005, 09:51 am

For me it's either Labour or the Lib Dems at the moment. For the last 2 years it's been the Lib Dems, but I have to say Labour are managing to get some of my interest back again. It'll be an interesting few months.

Samildanach · Feb 9, 2005, 10:23 am

How can you honestly say that after the Iraq blunder?

Feb 8, 2005, 10:00 am	#1 (permalink) (top)
Chris the Chees Moderator Location: Wales Posts: 2,225	UK general election Well, I just seen a desk placed in my halls of residence placed for the rather tedious/laborious task of filling in my registration form, giving me the right to vote. A rather pointless affair, considering that New Labour are going to win, like it or not. The parties I would like too see win, have absolutely no hope. Which begs the question, who should I vote for? A. Should I go with my heart, and vote for a bunch of no hopers? B(1). Should I vote tactically (forgoing all moral principals) and attempt to elect the conservative party, a group of sycophantic wankers (do forgive me this transgression), in a desperate bid to oust Tony Blair, a liar of the first degree, or at least reduce his monopoly of backbenchers in parliament. B(2). Should I vote tactically and attempt to elect the Liberal Democrats, a group of sickeningly centralist pliticians who are the only party who are even remotely near the left. C. Should I take the path of apathy and not vote? Doing this will further guarantee the collapse of democracy in the UK, where parties can be elected by a tiny portion of the population, who aren't totally disgusted by the filth we see standing for election. D. Should I display my distaste and vote for the Monster Raving Loony party (if they are even still going)? E. Should I vote for Plaid Cymru, in an attempt to get more money for the Welsh assembly, and promote a language I don't even speak? Shocking as it may sound, I think I'm going to go for E. Society may be formed so as to exist without crime, without poverty, […] no obstacle whatsoever intervenes at this moment except ignorance to prevent such a state of society. Robert Owen Last edited by Chris the Chees; Feb 8, 2005 at 10:11 am.

Feb 8, 2005, 10:05 am	#2 (permalink) (top)
Samildanach Pragmatist Location: UK London Posts: 1,979	I am going for the tactical vote, Lib dems. Blairs support for the war put me right off labour. Tories are no hopers with no viable leadership. I am going to give the lib dems a chance to see what they can do, after all they havent had one yet. I wouldn't recommend sex, drugs and insanity for everyone, but its always worked for me. Never think that war, no matter how necessary, nor how justified, is not a crime." (Ernest Hemingway)

Feb 8, 2005, 10:09 am	#5 (permalink) (top)
Matt W Moderator Location: Reading, UK. Posts: 6,384	Lib Dems. That way, if they gain more seats than the Conservatives, you gain solace in actually knowing there's a genuine clash of ideas at the top, rather than posturing over how far right you can go and still remain 'central'. I spent a lot of money on booze, birds and fast cars. The rest I just squandered. -George Best, on being asked what he did with his footballing fortunes.

Feb 8, 2005, 10:13 am	#6 (permalink) (top)
Pooeypants Neo Moderator Location: England Posts: 5,602	Yes, Lib dems are the way forward. I've been helping out on delivery of newsletter and leaflets to help us gain a seat in Leeds NorthWest. War is Peace Freedom is Slavery Ignorance is strength Harness the power of Ingsoc, then you can capture someone killed the year before

Feb 8, 2005, 10:14 am	#7 (permalink) (top)
Nono Throbbing Member Location: Old Europe Posts: 6,930	C the C, is there nobody you'd truly support, no matter what their electoral chances? It doesn't sound like it. One reason to vote against Labour is that nobody doubts they'll win, so you don't have to fear changing the result, but by increasing the anti-Labour vote you'll discourage Tony from succumbing to temptation and trying to hang on, while reminding New Labour that not everybody is with the Blairite programme. Both voting Monster Raving Loony and abstention are grist to the NL mill. "I wish I was as cocksure of anything as Tom Macaulay is of everything." -- Viscount Melbourne

Feb 8, 2005, 10:20 am	#8 (permalink) (top)
Chris the Chees Moderator Location: Wales Posts: 2,225	C the C, is there nobody you'd truly support, no matter what their electoral chances? It doesn't sound like it. See A, unfortunately, "Respect", aren't standing in my constituency. As for the rest of them, what’s the difference between one bunch of lying politicians standing for a slightly off centre ideology, and another? I'll tell you, nothing. I may as well not vote, for all the difference it will make, even if by some miracle labour doesn’t get in power. They are all exactly the same. Oh and I forgot to mention Green, I seriously may consider voting Green. Society may be formed so as to exist without crime, without poverty, […] no obstacle whatsoever intervenes at this moment except ignorance to prevent such a state of society. Robert Owen

Feb 8, 2005, 10:22 am	#9 (permalink) (top)
Matt W Moderator Location: Reading, UK. Posts: 6,384	sigh People had that same attitude during the Tories, Chris - how else do you think John Major got re-elected? Vote. It makes a difference. It always does. I spent a lot of money on booze, birds and fast cars. The rest I just squandered. -George Best, on being asked what he did with his footballing fortunes.

Feb 8, 2005, 10:25 am	#10 (permalink) (top)
Chris the Chees Moderator Location: Wales Posts: 2,225	People had that same attitude during the Tories, Chris - how else do you think John Major got re-elected? Vote. It makes a difference. It always does. ---- Look who we got instead of the tories, when people did vote? Bloody Blair, who turned out to be exacly the same as what we ousted. So much for inspired change. I probably will vote, I like Welsh, even though I don't speak it. Society may be formed so as to exist without crime, without poverty, […] no obstacle whatsoever intervenes at this moment except ignorance to prevent such a state of society. Robert Owen

Feb 8, 2005, 10:31 am	#11 (permalink) (top)
G. Adams Fyrdman Location: Middlesbrough UK Posts: 4,152	Argh, I hate Respect, god damned SWP vehicle and prop for Galloway, when everyone should have been working to keep the Socialist Alliance alive. Respect may not be as diluted as Labour or the Lib Dem's, but they are hardly socialist. The fact that Galloway came out publicly as anti-abortion yet the party would not release a statement declaring those views to be his and not the party's demonstates how it's just pandering to MAB. Chris, I urge you to vote Lib Dem. If by some beautiful moment of genius the majority of the British public does the same and we get Lib Dem's, even if they don't do much brilliant for the country, they will at least introduce proportional representation, and then your vote for alternative parties will really start to count. Think of it this way, how many people do you know that like Blair and are actually gonna vote Labour? I don't know a single one, and I'm from Middlesbrough, as Labour heartlandish as you can get. So why should everyone assume Labour will get in? And even if they do, the more Lib Dem support that is shown the more Labour will see that going further to the right is not what the country wants. Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery. Winston Churchill

Feb 8, 2005, 10:33 am	#12 (permalink) (top)
Matt W Moderator Location: Reading, UK. Posts: 6,384	laughs You are but young, sir. Trust me, Blair's in no way the same. He's more slimy and insiduous, I grant you, but he's in no way comparable to the horrors of the Tories in their later years. I spent a lot of money on booze, birds and fast cars. The rest I just squandered. -George Best, on being asked what he did with his footballing fortunes.

Feb 8, 2005, 10:57 am	#14 (permalink) (top)
Samildanach Pragmatist Location: UK London Posts: 1,979	Well most of the people I know are voting lib dem generally because they are pissed off at Blair following Bush into the war against their wishes. I actually give Lib dems a 30% chance of taking the election. I wouldn't recommend sex, drugs and insanity for everyone, but its always worked for me. Never think that war, no matter how necessary, nor how justified, is not a crime." (Ernest Hemingway)

Feb 8, 2005, 11:20 am	#15 (permalink) (top)
Matt W Moderator Location: Reading, UK. Posts: 6,384	Indeed. If a general election had been held just pre-war, Tony would've struggled mightily. I was in NZ at the time, but my folks kept me informed. As it is, the Lib Dems are about the only remotely left-wing mainstream party left. I spent a lot of money on booze, birds and fast cars. The rest I just squandered. -George Best, on being asked what he did with his footballing fortunes.

Feb 8, 2005, 12:08 pm	#16 (permalink) (top)
Chris the Chees Moderator Location: Wales Posts: 2,225	Sorry, but I am forced to disagree. Comparison between Thatcherism and new labour policy, especially on industrial actions and foreign policy in particular, are near identical. Unfortunatly, I dont have the right to be called "sir", I am a humble student not a peer of the realm. Society may be formed so as to exist without crime, without poverty, […] no obstacle whatsoever intervenes at this moment except ignorance to prevent such a state of society. Robert Owen Last edited by Chris the Chees; Feb 8, 2005 at 01:01 pm.

Feb 8, 2005, 01:11 pm	#17 (permalink) (top)
Matt W Moderator Location: Reading, UK. Posts: 6,384	Maybe so, Chris, but the atmosphere is completely different. Trust me on this. I spent a lot of money on booze, birds and fast cars. The rest I just squandered. -George Best, on being asked what he did with his footballing fortunes.

Feb 8, 2005, 06:32 pm	#18 (permalink) (top)
G. Adams Fyrdman Location: Middlesbrough UK Posts: 4,152	Well for a start Thatcher was no lap dog of the US. When she felt the US was out of line she made it known, as it was during the US invasion of Panama. Economically, are you forgetting the minimum wage? I am glad that Labour got in, if they hadn't my wage as a barman would be much less than £4.70. Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery. Winston Churchill

Feb 9, 2005, 09:51 am	#19 (permalink) (top)
blibbka Molten Ash Location: UK Posts: 130	For me it's either Labour or the Lib Dems at the moment. For the last 2 years it's been the Lib Dems, but I have to say Labour are managing to get some of my interest back again. It'll be an interesting few months.

Feb 9, 2005, 10:23 am	#20 (permalink) (top)
Samildanach Pragmatist Location: UK London Posts: 1,979	How can you honestly say that after the Iraq blunder? I wouldn't recommend sex, drugs and insanity for everyone, but its always worked for me. Never think that war, no matter how necessary, nor how justified, is not a crime." (Ernest Hemingway)