Allies did nothing to stop Holocaust

[Suburbanite]

God damn these Israelis are so fucking stupid! They just keep saying shit to get themselves in trouble. Horrible 'networking' skills. And they are going to fuck it up for Jews everywhere, too. This Sharon guy is just a douche bag, no way around it.

[RickSp]

I don't care to argue what did or did not happen 60 years ago. What really pisses me off are Sharon's comments on Israeli self reliance:

Sharon said Jews learned a lesson from the genocide that they can only rely on themselves.

Israel is about as self reliant as your average welfare queen. Since 1973, Israel has cost the United States about $1.6 trillion. Wonderful being lectured on self reliance by a parasitic thug like Sharon. It makes just about as much sense as King George talking about spreading democracy.

[tinybear]

Why on earth did we give away that kind of money to Israel? The ingrates!

[Milton Bradley]

Quote by: Plegmund However, the real point is not whether he's right, but what he means by it. He seems to be saying that Israel can't rely on the Americans to sort out its enemies for it. A veiled threat of unilateral Israeli action against Iran or Syria? A jerk on Bush's lead to make sure he doesn't stop with Iraq? What do you think?

This is, in my opinion, a very astute observation. I think Plegmund is exactly correct on this point.


I also think we are not doing enough to help the people in Africa at this very moment. I am not advocating attacking anybody with our Army, but perhaps sanctions might have an effect on the guilty parties.

[giuliano]

sharon is right we did nothing to help prevent the genocide of jews in ww2.

it's just very ironic that a certifiable mass murderer is lecturing on how to prevent genocide.

[tinybear]

Ironic indeed. Here's my question: Why do we keep supporting Israel? It was a mistake to start in the first place. Let's end it now. It's costly and it affects our credibility (or what's left of it).

[giuliano]

1. because the US was majorly responsible for its creation.
2. if the US - it's only real ally - stopped supporting it, it would eventually be overrun by arab armies. whatever the result, at present israel are vastly superior in military terms, but their power would wane slowly if support was withdrawn, it would be a disaster.
3. there's some handy bits in the Old Testament that state helping israel is a ticket to heaven. you can laugh, but particularly in 1948, that sort of thing was *very* influential. it still is today, conservative christianity is a powerful force in US politics.
4. israel are a strategic ally in the region, relatively speaking.

that's my take.

[Panagiotes Bazi]

Quote by: tinybear So said Israeli PM, Ariel Sharon. Do you agree with him? http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6870400/

Ariel Sharon is unfortunately a leader who does not differ at all from those who instigated Nazism... He is, by a moron mistake of nature, the Prime minister of Israel... Yet the damage he is making to his country (People) is greater that the Holocaust itself!!!

One never wins by replacing the tactics of his enemies... Israel will gain immensely YES IMMENSELY by turning the page of hatred, read AMOS Oz and you will understand.

[giuliano]

while we were busy mourning the deaths of millions of jews in the holocaust, we didn't notice them grabbing that club from under the bed and taking their anger out on palestinians. oops.

luckily we don't like arabs..

[tinybear]

No we don't and something tells me they don't like us.

[giuliano]

call it human instinct but after dropping so many bombs on top of their heads, i suspect you're right

[tinybear]

I suspect they didn't like us way before that. Just a hunch.

[giuliano]

i don't think most of them had heard of us before then

[Rainbow]

Quote by: giuliano 1. because the US was majorly responsible for its creation. 2. if the US - it's only real ally - stopped supporting it, it would eventually be overrun by arab armies. whatever the result, at present israel are vastly superior in military terms, but their power would wane slowly if support was withdrawn, it would be a disaster. 3. there's some handy bits in the Old Testament that state helping israel is a ticket to heaven. you can laugh, but particularly in 1948, that sort of thing was *very* influential. it still is today, conservative christianity is a powerful force in US politics. 4. israel are a strategic ally in the region, relatively speaking.

Since #3 carries religious aspects it can be taken as questionable. Not all the people follow religious path. #4 is the most important. I agree with your points. It seems to complete the Israel's key role in the Middle-East region, today.

However it would change with Iraq's new political fundaments. Iraq will become the major U.S.'s ally in the Middle-East region, later. Iraq has all the potentials needed to keep that region under control and would influence all the countries around, including eastern Africa's states along with Asia's western ones.

[Suburbanite]

If America stopped supporting Israel then a lot more people would die. Israel would have no allies and no reason to not do what its always wanted to do... full scale warfare on the middle east.

[Pooeypants]

Erm, Israel has nuclear weapons...they're untouchable even if the US withdrew support.

[Rainbow]

Quote by: Pooeypants Erm, Israel has nuclear weapons...they're untouchable even if the US withdrew support.

WMD is not enough what it takes to make a state safe. It serves as a destructive weapon against others, but can not used as a defensive one.

[tinybear]

No matter whether Israel is touchable or untouchable, why should the USA continue supporting and condoning what she is doing? We made a mistake. Let's not compound the mistake by continuing to support Israel. It does us no good.

[Rainbow]

Quote by: Suburbanite If America stopped supporting Israel then a lot more people would die. Israel would have no allies and no reason to not do what its always wanted to do... full scale warfare on the middle east.

Full scale warfare ?
:-)))

Seriously, Iraq will handle it on its own. The rest of Arabic countries will have not much of a choice but to follow the political changes. Countries around the globe must watch those events very carefully. It would take time. Some decades, I say.

[Pooeypants]

Quote by: Rainbow WMD is not enough what it takes to make a state safe. It serves as a destructive weapon against others, but can not used as a defensive one.

I was thinking about the concept of M.A.D, after all, it stopped USSR and USA from annihilating each other.