Biden can't say that

[Young]

I hope someone can find us the transcript, cause i looked and couldn't dig it up. The part i heard that caught my full attention, was Biden making a fool of Condi. I may not get the words right, but here's what i remember. Biden - "Ms. Rice, i will not allow you to lie to the people of our nation, when you report that 112,000 Iraqi soldiers are trained. The real number is closer to 4200 and then thats a stretch because the definition of a trained unit, would be one capable of replacing an American unit. I'm gonna go ahead & Vote for you, (looks around himself) because you'll be confirmed, but from now on when you come before me......It'd better not be with whatever Rumsfeld has said, because we all know that Rumsfeld doesn't know anything."

Now basically what Biden has just said is......

1- Condi is a puppet

2- Rumsfeld's a joke

3- Biden expects Condi to do & say whatever Bush or Dick or Rummy want

4- Condi's conformation vote was stacked in her favor

5- The Military is not being truthful with the public about Iraq numbers


When you add all this up, other World leaders surely took notice.

Can a Senator call the Head of Defense an Idiot & proclaim the Sec. of State to be a puppet?

You know those people who say, "I support Bush because He's Our President" even in some cases where they didn't like him & voted against him? They Honor POTUS, not the person that bought the position.......

Well i don't stand with them, and i consider them Cowards........but if Men like Biden will not move this Nation to Impeach Bush, then i don't want Him on TV running His mouth about two Key people, People we need others to think highly of.

[Zeebadee]

"Biden asked Rice to tell him how many, in her opinion, have been fully trained. "Tell us how many of those folks you think -- you think," Biden said. "And for God's sake, don't listen to (Defense Secretary Donald) Rumsfeld, he doesn't know what in the hell he's talking about in this." - http://www.cnn.com/2005/ALLPOLITICS/....confirmation/

"Rice estimated the number of Iraqi security forces at more than 120,000. "We think that, among those people, there clearly continue to be questions about on-duty time, that is, people who don't report for duty. And so this is being looked at," she said. Sen. Joe Biden, D-Del., who asked her about the Iraqi security forces, said that from his trips there he sensed the number was much lower. "If you speak to the folks on the ground, they don't think there's more than 4,000 actually trained Iraqi forces," he said. " - http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...532EST0640.DTL

The Bush administration used up Powell and threw the carcass away, now they have a full fledged liar as a team member. Sounds like Biden knows that Condi is nothing more than a Bush shill with no integrity, but will vote for her confirmation anyway. With senators like this, the future of the Republic is in serious doubt. It just gets worse and worse.

[bishop]

yeah... i had some respect for biden. but when i heard that he decided to vote for rice, i took a step back. if he's going to talk tough, he better the hell act tough.

of course, on the other hand, maybe he feels she's competent to do the job - so long as she doesn't let rummy and company feed information into her hole.

[Young]

Biden's vote didn't matter either way.....Condi will be confirmed.

Bishop - I hear ya'll are looking for Dem Sum.....better take to the streets and fill ur Redsox up with Nickels........I don't know if the gas mask will help you if they set off a dirty bomb. Just cause Mit Romny isn't skerred to sleep in Boston......doesn't mean the rest of you should sleep easy. If Mit could leave he prolly would, but how'd that look? Kinda like Bush making a big circle around half the nation in airforce one on 9/11.

I went to bed early, and i woke up hoping my Nation would show me something. Now i'm gonna go to sleep and i'll know that half the nation is hopelessly brainwashed and that the other half are weaklings......Let us Pray for the next 13 days & if by then we can't form a resistance (other than FringeLibs) then we'd better just move to Canada....because either Terrorists, Bush, or Illegal Immigrants.

[RickSp]

Quote by: Young IWell i don't stand with them, and i consider them Cowards........but if Men like Biden will not move this Nation to Impeach Bush, then i don't want Him on TV running His mouth about two Key people, People we need others to think highly of.

Excuse me? Biden tells the truth and you want to kill the messenger? You seem to think that mindless hero worship of dishonest and dangerous political leaders is a goood thing. That is not what America should be about.

[bishop]

Biden's vote didn't matter either way.....Condi will be confirmed. Bishop - I hear ya'll are looking for Dem Sum.....better take to the streets and fill ur Redsox up with Nickels........I don't know if the gas mask will help you if they set off a dirty bomb. Just cause Mit Romny isn't skerred to sleep in Boston......doesn't mean the rest of you should sleep easy. If Mit could leave he prolly would, but how'd that look? Kinda like Bush making a big circle around half the nation in airforce one on 9/11.

yeah... i was just stunned that he still voted for her after highlighting her inadequacies. i guess that's the reality of having full GOP control - the opposition can't do much more than pay lip service.

heh, and i'm not really scared about that terror threat.. dunno if i'm feeling the effects of the government who cried wolf, or what, but it hasn't bothered me at all. they caught some suspects anyway - the real threats are the ones that aren't caught.

I went to bed early, and i woke up hoping my Nation would show me something. Now i'm gonna go to sleep and i'll know that half the nation is hopelessly brainwashed and that the other half are weaklings......Let us Pray for the next 13 days & if by then we can't form a resistance (other than FringeLibs) then we'd better just move to Canada....because either Terrorists, Bush, or Illegal Immigrants.

i pray for bush's death almost daily.. i have definitely been murmuring "why can't he just die?" every time i hear his jackass on tv.

[ericsp23]

i pray for bush's death almost daily.. i have definitely been murmuring "why can't he just die?" every time i hear his jackass on tv.

Bush is just a figurehead and his death would probably not change much. It would probably make things worse actually. Cheney would be president, which is hardly an improvement, and all of the sudden it would not be PC to speak of Bush's inadequacies as a leader, thereby lending him instant credibility. Plus, his assassination would be used as an excuse to further erode our rights in the name of national security.
I agree, he is an embarassment though. I get the urge to kick in the picture tube every time I hear him speak on TV. And not because I disagree with his policies, I can handle disagreement. I just find it hard to believe that so many Americans are so gullible to actually believe that Bush deserved to be reelected.

[bishop]

cheney wouldn't be president for 4 years though. and, i see the republicans as being less ready to stand behind cheney who is thoroughly distrusted by the public.

i definitely agree with you on that last bit though. it's a crying shame what's happening to our country. we need some divine intervention - like a lightning bolt shooting down air force one.

[Young]

Cheney & Hastert botched up Cheney's swear in. Cheney isn't the VP, not right now anyway. also, Condi isn't Sec. of State yet, and Gonzales hasn't been confirmed yet either.

Bush is the only person sworn in.

RickSP - ask around, the GOP thought I was the Head of the anti Bush Internet Propaganda. I was just telling the Truth too. Thats over now.........Bush won and He's our leader and we should shut our mouths about him and his Admin, because they are our Admin. If we will not remove them, then we shouldn't hinder them either. Doing so only makes Us weaker.

[bishop]

If we will not remove them, then we shouldn't hinder them either. Doing so only makes Us weaker.

so they should just let bush do whatever he wants, and let the congress act as nothing more than a rubber stamp?

[Spartacus]

Quote by: ericsp23 Bush is just a figurehead and his death would probably not change much. ... Plus, his assassination would be used as an excuse to further erode our rights in the name of national security.

And the Republican fruit cakes who run Congress will want to put Bush's face on the $20 bill to "honor" him. Better the devil you know, as the old saying goes...

[bishop]

i'll take his face on our currency over 4 more years to be honest. it's not his face that i hate, its his policies.

[Lou Minotti]

Quote by: bishop so they should just let bush do whatever he wants, and let the congress act as nothing more than a rubber stamp?

Why not? They've been just that for at least 50 years now, it seems. Why buck the trend?

[bishop]

i disagree with that generalized and simplistic statement.. judges have been fillibustered, proposed legislation has been axed by congress, etc.. plus, acts like the mccain-feingold act were generated from congress and backed up with popular support from the public - not because bush favored it.

[Lou Minotti]

The agenda is clear to those who choose to ignore the rhetoric and judge the fruits. While some asshole judge gets what he deserves, the dems and the reps are busy making wars together and colluding to write draconian legislation like the Patriot, Victory, and Domestic Security Enhancement Acts. Phony victory parties for issues of little or no importance don't impress me

[Scribbler1]

Quote by: RickSp Excuse me? Biden tells the truth and you want to kill the messenger? You seem to think that mindless hero worship of dishonest and dangerous political leaders is a goood thing. That is not what America should be about.

Biden is my state's Senator and as such we get to see a lot more of him than the rest of the country. Around here he is highly respected for saying what he thinks and being pretty accurate in his judgement. Realize though, that Biden IS a politician and a very canny pragmatist. He knows when to fight, when to run and when to stop pushing. If you have an opinion and you present it to the country, which just continues to idolize Bush for no discernable reason, you don't want to put your head on the chopping block practically ALONE!
I believe Biden still has presidential ambitions and I don't blame him for not wanting to screw up his chances. A lot of us wanted him to run again but in his wisdom he didn't jump at what looked like a perfect opening to unseat Bush. Bush was so bad, it DID look like he was giving the White House to the Democrats.
Kerry, however, DID jump and look where it got him. Nuff said?

[bishop]

of course, biden and kerry are two VERY different men. one thing i doubt anyone could accuse biden of being limp wristed and confused like they did kerry. maybe he can run in the next election.. i'd take him over hillary, that's for sure.

[Scribbler1]

Agreed. What small chance Kerry may have had to beat Bush he blew at every opportunity. I don't think Biden would have screwed up this way, and he has one thing going for him Kerry didn't.
Biden doesn't LOOK like a Democrat.

[bishop]

heh.. he sure as hell doesn't..

biden's without question an incredibly intelligent and insightful man. you can't rise to his position without having that natural ability. he gave a speech a couple months before the election - i believe i even started a thread based on what he said.. basically, he was hypothesizing on what the situation in iraq would look like when the elections in iraq took place. would there be any fundamental difference there? i.e. would iraqis wake up and still see u.s. troops patrolling their streets? would they still lack the ability to protect themselves? would the elections even be seen as something legitimate/powerful enough to give the iraqi government the respect of the public, rather than the current state of distrust and skeptisim? seems that all of biden's worst fears have come true. of course, when we're talking about bush's policies, the worst is the norm.

i still don't quite understand why he voted for rice, although it was clearly a pragmatic decision.

[Young]

Biden is a good man. Gentlemen, Ladies, I find myself in a perplexed situation mentally. As you know, i support the Christian Right, and I'm a Republican. The Truth about Bush is that he has an Ego. If MCcain would have been President & 9/11 occured, MCcain could have made the same moves that Bush has and it would have been ok, as far as the Wars and Homeland security go. The problem would have still been visible, Patriot act, tax breaks for the rich during the previously mentioned two wars, while running up the largest defecit ever, and while not using a Veto on any legislation........under funding pretty much all of what was passed and having it all turn to shit. That would have remained, our borders would could have still been open, and Illegal immigration could have been running rampant....under the America couldn't survive without people willing to work "Trick" which allows companies to pay less money to get the job done, which leads to far less Quality American products on the market, which is overflowing with cheaper foreign goods.

The problem the democrats had, was Rove tricked them into riding Kerry. Bush made enuendos as to him thinking he'd face Kerry....while the democrats were having Primaries as early as SC. Democrats kept hearing (Bush-War leader) and they had found a candidate who appealed to them as an exteme Liberal.....and one they were told was a War Hero. I'm not going to go out on a limb and say Dean could have beat Bush, because Dean's wife, while she's a good woman, would have been a certain liability against Laura in the minds of women who couldn't relate to either man. Edwards with Clark as VP, that would have unseated Bush. You have Military, but not holding the reigns, and a Man who people generally felt as if He liked people. You can imagine His wife's cancer announcement occuring 3 days prior, and if he was running for President and not just VP, then that would have been used or offered up. How many people hear someone has cancer and laughs it off? How many people either have Family with a member suffering from Cancer or know people......

I wanted Bush defeated so badly that i spent $2000 of my own money to volunteer for him. Before i knew it, i was involved in planning and from that position, i felt i could help John lead an attack. So i dug around a lil, and i had a list of 10 ways to attack Kerry, and i had the list when we were in SC, which was the third week of Primaries. I presented it to all of the important people. When you work with people on a campaign, sometimes you meet important people, cousins, Mom & Dad, His Daughter. You realize that these are the best lines of communication, and so you wait for the right moment and you give them what you've got in such detail, that you'd think by the next week you'd be in tow and advising. When kids got tired of walking the streets, i put them on Busses, when we ran out of signs, i organized people to take trucks back to former primary states and retrieve the old ones, I had people in Malls with flyers, I'd use every possible cheap ploy i could think up. None of what my list suggested was ever used. With first hand knowledge of every intricate detail, i walked away feeling as though Sen. Edwards didn't want to win. So now you be me, You were willing to go against what you most wanted to protect (Christian Values from the Liberal agenda) in order to Defeat a Man that was ruling wrongly under the veil that he was Protecting Christian values. Many of my friends and people who know me, they don't read enough or comprehend on too very a grand scale and they don't see what all the fuss is about Bush. They see a Cowboy who defended us from terrorists and Homosexuals, and i see a Man whose done neither. They see Reagan & I see Johnson. Oh and apparently, know one even raises an eyebrow when they find out that Bush and Kerry are Cousins and were both members of the same Frat while at Yale at pretty much the same time. Unless a Miracle occurs, i think that the Inaguration we witnessed just the other day, pretty much was like the Seal of Our Nation's Fate.........

Meanwhile, i'm only really talking to a few of you. Most of you can't or won't get past me being Republican, the other half can but then social issues are too deep a concern for your party and America is trapped between the Far Left and the False Right......Independent, doesn't Bind us together. The Minorities on each side of the aisle have control & Normal people who would be the Majority and agree are Trapped between the Parties. I hope all of you know that "Traps" are usually SET, by a person or Group......and they usually kill or alter what they "Trap" and what they intend can only occur......If the "Trap" works.


IT WORKED!!!!!!!!!